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spanone

(135,844 posts)
Tue Dec 19, 2017, 04:13 PM Dec 2017

Mom, Pop -- you're the losers in this tax plan

(CNN)As the Republican tax plan continues to advance -- and morph -- with dizzying speed, those of us in the accounting business continue to be astonished by the thickening maze of loopholes emerging from the bill.

As a CPA, I could be celebrating these loopholes. After all, I would be able to save my clients a lot on taxes and could be invited to fly along to, say, the Cayman Islands to set up an offshore account under the new regulations. Four days at the beach with a fully-stocked hotel minibar and all the HBO and Showtime programs I can watch -- all fully deductible for me and my client. Sounds nice, right?

Wrong. As someone who has served small businesses for more than 30 years, and co-chair of an organization called Businesses for Responsible Tax Reform, I am not cheering. Small business owners aren't cheering the bill either.

Quite the opposite. This bill, despite the glossy, small business-friendly language being used to sell it, would actually do more to widen the tax advantage gap between large businesses and small ones than our present -- and already tilted tax code -- does. This bill does just that, thanks to the change from a worldwide tax system, which requires US companies to pay Uncle Sam taxes on all their profits, regardless of where the income is earned, to something called a territorial one, under which companies don't owe taxes to their own governments on income they make offshore.


http://www.cnn.com/2017/12/14/opinions/gop-tax-plan-territorial-small-business-zimmerman-opinion/index.html
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Mom, Pop -- you're the losers in this tax plan (Original Post) spanone Dec 2017 OP
And the truth comes out Matthew28 Dec 2017 #1
It's also going to hurt people who are 1099 contractors TexasBushwhacker Dec 2017 #2
didn't know that, that's me. 1099's spanone Dec 2017 #6
I'm no expert, so ask an accountant TexasBushwhacker Dec 2017 #10
Thanks, Wellstone ruled Dec 2017 #3
You mean 2 trillion not 2 billion elehhhhna Dec 2017 #4
Trillion,F-----n Wellstone ruled Dec 2017 #5
I don't understand that mandatory withdrawal thing. Kittycow Dec 2017 #7
Understand it was Wellstone ruled Dec 2017 #8
That figures. Thanks for the reply. Kittycow Dec 2017 #9
Yes, because they want you to pay income taxes before you die. n/t TexasBushwhacker Dec 2017 #11

Matthew28

(1,798 posts)
1. And the truth comes out
Tue Dec 19, 2017, 04:21 PM
Dec 2017

This bill is one big upward flooding of money from the poor and middle to the rich. This will end up destroying more of the middle class in order for the rich to take more.

The republican party is now working to transform this country into a third world one.

TexasBushwhacker

(20,202 posts)
2. It's also going to hurt people who are 1099 contractors
Tue Dec 19, 2017, 04:23 PM
Dec 2017

If they aren't incorporated into at least an LLC, they can't deduct ANY business expense. This includes actors and musicians who pay a large portion of their income to agents, managers, publicists, etc. Of course wealthy artists can afford to incorporate, but most artists are not wealthy. Setting up an LLC in CA, for example, costs several thousand dollars.

TexasBushwhacker

(20,202 posts)
10. I'm no expert, so ask an accountant
Tue Dec 19, 2017, 06:46 PM
Dec 2017

Of course, you could be a 1099 and still be an LLC, but the deductions allowed for a "corporation" are different than those for a unincorporated sole proprieter. A business can deduct hundreds of cases of copy paper but a school teacher cannot deduct the 10 cases that she might have to pay for out of her own pocket.

 

Wellstone ruled

(34,661 posts)
3. Thanks,
Tue Dec 19, 2017, 04:24 PM
Dec 2017

waiting to see how withdrawals from IRA's and 401's are going to be treated. There was to be new rules as to amounts allowed to be put into accounts and changes in mandatory withdrawals.

Noticed Hatch stuck the Corker bribe addendum in this Bill Saturday. And last night the Author admitted there is now a 600 billion additional debt added as a result,making it a 2 billion dollar hit to the National Debt.

Kittycow

(2,396 posts)
7. I don't understand that mandatory withdrawal thing.
Tue Dec 19, 2017, 05:08 PM
Dec 2017

My skimpy knowledge is if it's not a Roth IRA, you have to withdraw money from your IRA at age 70.5. I wonder why.

 

Wellstone ruled

(34,661 posts)
8. Understand it was
Tue Dec 19, 2017, 05:22 PM
Dec 2017

idea of Senator Mel Roth who came up with the 401k and later the IRA to protect the Exc's at Dupont and Dow Chemical as well as Kodak from paying Federal Taxes. Believe a Actuarial table was used and it came from some Insurance company that marketed Annuities. Do remember IDS Services used a similiar Table in their Sales and Marketing Program. Investors-Diversified Services based in Mpls.

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