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"Historically ends with guillotines." (Original Post) Different Drummer Dec 2017 OP
The GOP goal is genocide and bankruptcy of the masses. BigmanPigman Dec 2017 #1
Calling Madame Defarge... volstork Dec 2017 #2
Problem being the woman most likely to excel at Mass murder dembotoz Dec 2017 #3
Citoyens, aux armes! Orange Free State Dec 2017 #4
Bienvenue a DU, Orange Free State! calimary Dec 2017 #17
agreed... FirstLight Dec 2017 #20
zee garotte! CTyankee Dec 2017 #25
We can only hope. smirkymonkey Dec 2017 #5
Seems like it ends with gas chambers just as often enki23 Dec 2017 #6
Thank you Corgigal Dec 2017 #7
The rich will not pay a price.. Someone like Conald Chump will misdirect the anger Le Gaucher Dec 2017 #8
It worked in the '30s by misdirecting the anger towards the Jews. keithbvadu2 Dec 2017 #10
Republicans will blame us DEMs and their masses will round us up. Blue_true Dec 2017 #9
History does show that most revolutions and movements fail for one of a few reasons rpannier Dec 2017 #18
Found this the other day: Gabi Hayes Dec 2017 #11
"Can fit up to fifteen congressmen at the same time." Buns_of_Fire Dec 2017 #23
I'd rather they do it by hand with a rusty serrated knife. BigBearJohn Dec 2017 #12
I say a Garrote,,,,, Cryptoad Dec 2017 #13
Republicons happy to apply fascist solutions to revolts stemming from massive wealth inequality. .nt Bernardo de La Paz Dec 2017 #14
Yes there have been times in history that purged ruling elites bucolic_frolic Dec 2017 #15
Swinging upside down like Mussolini C_U_L8R Dec 2017 #16
Threw him a proper party in Milan they did. Woodycall Dec 2017 #24
Guillotines are too clean! burrowowl Dec 2017 #19
Guillotines? Hah! This one could end in nukes. dchill Dec 2017 #21
Unfair taxes that squeezed the poor and the peasants contributed greatly to the French Revolution. Sophia4 Dec 2017 #22
My sig line has been the same for years... nocoincidences Dec 2017 #26
And they are heavily armed. Turbineguy Dec 2017 #27
++++++++++. n/t Different Drummer Dec 2017 #28
Can't have guillotines The Wizard Dec 2017 #29
Let's get our knitting ready! Ilsa Dec 2017 #30

calimary

(81,441 posts)
17. Bienvenue a DU, Orange Free State!
Wed Dec 20, 2017, 12:12 AM
Dec 2017

These are very weird times. I shake my head in increasing disgust every day. And the next day it grows steadily worse. Wonder when we get to the guillotine phase, and what (or who) that guillotine will be?

Corgigal

(9,291 posts)
7. Thank you
Tue Dec 19, 2017, 11:24 PM
Dec 2017

We're armed to the teeth, when they figured out who screwed them. Even if they can't afford health insurance and lose someone they love.

I hope the rich leave the country. Shit us gonna fly.





 

Le Gaucher

(1,547 posts)
8. The rich will not pay a price.. Someone like Conald Chump will misdirect the anger
Tue Dec 19, 2017, 11:28 PM
Dec 2017

Last edited Wed Dec 20, 2017, 12:54 AM - Edit history (1)

Towards minorities.

Blue_true

(31,261 posts)
9. Republicans will blame us DEMs and their masses will round us up.
Tue Dec 19, 2017, 11:28 PM
Dec 2017

With help from the likes of Susan Sarandon and Cornell West.

rpannier

(24,336 posts)
18. History does show that most revolutions and movements fail for one of a few reasons
Wed Dec 20, 2017, 12:25 AM
Dec 2017

One of them, too much faith that its not the institutions that are failing them (English Rebellion of 1381.)
The other, are when members or groups within the ranks of the rebellion (either out of fear or for personal gain) betray the cause

bucolic_frolic

(43,258 posts)
15. Yes there have been times in history that purged ruling elites
Tue Dec 19, 2017, 11:54 PM
Dec 2017

Often rulers are feared when they shake down a whole country or society. Some royal houses rule for awhile and resurface hundreds of years later. Quests to regain power can last generations.

We in this country don't really think about the deposed monarchies, but students of history know the facts but perhaps don't often connect Borgia's, the Glorious Revolution, Louis XVI, the Revolutions of 1848, the Romanov's - or the leaders who opposed oppression such as Garibaldi.

Politically induced economic shakedowns have occurred throughout history. We're overdue, and such a time is about to be visited upon us. Hunker down and focus on survival. It's all little people can do.

dchill

(38,521 posts)
21. Guillotines? Hah! This one could end in nukes.
Wed Dec 20, 2017, 12:49 AM
Dec 2017

Mr Mueller, it's not too soon. Don't wait until it's too late!

 

Sophia4

(3,515 posts)
22. Unfair taxes that squeezed the poor and the peasants contributed greatly to the French Revolution.
Wed Dec 20, 2017, 01:22 AM
Dec 2017

Taxation is a burning issue in many revolutions – and it was a significant cause of grievance in late 18th century France. National debt and personal taxation were economic dilemmas that plagued French leaders, who pondered how to lessen the former without increasing the latter. There was little scope for reducing debt, thanks to decades of fight-now-pay-later foreign policy and profligate spending by the royal court. In the meantime France’s people, especially the farmers and workers in the Third Estate, suffered under one of the highest-taxing regimes in Europe. The level of taxation in France was significantly higher than in Britain because French trade interests were smaller, so income from tariffs and customs duties pumped less revenue into the treasury. Now, the ancien regime had reached a point where temporary measures and patch-up responses could no longer be used; a serious overhaul of the taxation system was essential.

It is ironic that France decided to involve itself in the revolution in America that was sparked by unfair taxation, because the French leadership had themselves imposed an inequitable tax regime on her people, particularly those in the Third Estate who seemed to carry most of the burden. Personal taxes like the taille (a direct tax levied on each family, based on the amount of land owned) the gabelle (a state duty payable on salt, then an important commodity) the capitation (a poll tax) and the vingtieme (a one-time tax to ease the state deficit) were compulsory for all members of the Third Estate — but members of the clergy and the nobility were either exempt from these or were able to subsequently claim exemption using the parlements. In addition to state taxes the peasants were also liable for a one-tenth contribution to the church (the tithe) as well as seigneurial dues. Meanwhile the two privileged classes managed to avoid most if not all personal taxation. The church had a particularly light taxation burden: it paid a voluntary contribution to the state every five years called the don gratuit (‘free gift’) though this was neither regulated or compulsory. The nobility paid no personal taxation because it was said that, as representatives of a military elite, they paid their taxes in service and in blood.

It was not only that the nation’s system of taxation was unfair: it was also irrational and highly inefficient. There were many indirect taxes that had to be paid by everybody: various excises, customs duties and levies, each of which had been tacked on to revenue policy haphazardly, one after the other as the need for greater revenue dictated … there was no single fiscal plan. And the taxes themselves were collected not by government officials but contracted ‘tax-farmers’, many of whom were either notoriously corrupt or hilariously incompetent. There were several attempts in the 1700s to reform the taxation system, both to make it more efficient and to allow the nobility to share some of the burden; however the parlements, which had a reputation for protecting and preserving aristocratic interests, generally proved impassable. Louis XVI turned to successive financial ministers to solve his debt crisis but this had little impact, finally resulting in the Assembly of Notables.

http://alphahistory.com/frenchrevolution/taxation/

History repeating itself.

Turbineguy

(37,364 posts)
27. And they are heavily armed.
Wed Dec 20, 2017, 09:03 PM
Dec 2017

And it will work. The uprising masses will shoot the wrong people. Fox News will see to that.

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