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Laurence Tribe on Joe Kennedy III (Original Post) pnwmom Dec 2017 OP
Ned Stark's blood runs through his veins. Yavin4 Dec 2017 #1
Well said... FarPoint Dec 2017 #2
Yes, and winter's just about here. JNelson6563 Dec 2017 #54
Winter is here. Yavin4 Dec 2017 #56
Sounds good but first: how tall is he? Height matters in elections Cicada Dec 2017 #3
Here's a pic of him with Sen. Warren who is 5'8" tall eleny Dec 2017 #7
He looks 6 feet two to me! VP on 2028 ticket? Cicada Dec 2017 #19
We need a fresh face...maybe the nominee in 20. Demsrule86 Dec 2017 #25
I don't know, but in most group photos he's the tallest. He was a few inches taller pnwmom Dec 2017 #9
Doesn't hurt to be good looking either get the red out Dec 2017 #53
For all the trashing of the Kennedy family I've seen PoindexterOglethorpe Dec 2017 #4
Joe Kennedy III is the real deal. democrank Dec 2017 #5
he's my guy for 2020 OKNancy Dec 2017 #34
I agree. He's the best thing I've seen yet. smirkymonkey Dec 2017 #6
I like him. He and Warren would look good on the same ticket BigBearJohn Dec 2017 #8
Two from the same small state is pretty unlikely, since we're stuck with the Electoral College. n/t pnwmom Dec 2017 #10
I like Kennedy. I'd vote for him in a heartbeat. BUT I also love Warren BigBearJohn Dec 2017 #12
I believe it is illegal to have two from the same state. murielm99 Dec 2017 #15
Apparently its only against the 12th Amendment for voters to vote for.. Kentonio Dec 2017 #31
No, We need fresh faces. Demsrule86 Dec 2017 #26
I've been watching him for awhile now. calimary Dec 2017 #11
The Kennedy family understands public service. The Trump family understands stealing. sarcasmo Dec 2017 #13
K/R BadgerMom Dec 2017 #14
Lets do this cilla4progress Dec 2017 #16
It is impossible for Amy Klobuchar to lose an election Cicada Dec 2017 #20
She doesn't lose elections because she never takes a stand on anything more controversial dflprincess Dec 2017 #43
We need someone in office Cicada Dec 2017 #44
We need a candidate who can excite the voters and dflprincess Dec 2017 #47
You may be right. Or wrong. Cicada Dec 2017 #48
And you think they won't find ways to attack bland little Amy? dflprincess Dec 2017 #49
A democratic President replacing Donald Trump is real change Cicada Dec 2017 #50
I hope we can pick someone other than Gillibrand. I won't vote for her in a primary but will in a Demsrule86 Dec 2017 #27
Julian Castro sounds good, not so for Gillibrand JimBeard Dec 2017 #45
I have remarked in other threads... 3catwoman3 Dec 2017 #17
The noblesse part is the problem. Kentonio Dec 2017 #32
Hes my guy riverwalker Dec 2017 #18
I knew his grandfather slightly, and my dad was a good friend of his DFW Dec 2017 #33
But does it make up for the lack of an apostrophe in" Joes" nt karynnj Dec 2017 #40
There you go DFW Dec 2017 #42
I would think shelter/homes could be added Cha Dec 2017 #21
A good promotional photo. Setting in a very simple office with his shirt sleeves rolled up! JimBeard Dec 2017 #46
He's great. But so is my Senator, Chris Murphy... CTyankee Dec 2017 #22
Pretend he's not a Kennedy and look at his accomplishments -- which he's achieved pnwmom Dec 2017 #23
No, it's not fair. You are right. CTyankee Dec 2017 #35
One president almost 60 years ago is not a dynasty. Demsrule86 Dec 2017 #28
Bobby and Teddy were also dominating the political scene after the JFK assassination. CTyankee Dec 2017 #36
I don't remember either of them...and there are millions like me. Demsrule86 Dec 2017 #37
Well, there was a time when it was out of the question for a black man to be CTyankee Dec 2017 #38
Sen. Murphy. Uh-huh, do like. sprinkleeninow Dec 2017 #30
I agree 100% ! world wide wally Dec 2017 #24
That would be a powerful ticket. Demsrule86 Dec 2017 #29
Im a fan but would like to see him be more progressive on marijuana legalization. BannonsLiver Dec 2017 #39
I will never vote for him rollin74 Dec 2017 #41
I personally would dread voting for one of Joseph P. Kennedy's descendants. NNadir Dec 2017 #51
Watched an interview MontanaMama Dec 2017 #52
We live in a shallow political climate (think reality show POTUS). Vinca Dec 2017 #55

Cicada

(4,533 posts)
19. He looks 6 feet two to me! VP on 2028 ticket?
Wed Dec 20, 2017, 02:35 AM
Dec 2017

Or should he first serve as Gov and then go straight to top of ticket?

He definitely should be considered. Thanks for the tip Professor Tribe.

Demsrule86

(68,643 posts)
25. We need a fresh face...maybe the nominee in 20.
Wed Dec 20, 2017, 05:34 AM
Dec 2017

He is old enough and I like him a great deal...time for the next generation to take over...

PoindexterOglethorpe

(25,894 posts)
4. For all the trashing of the Kennedy family I've seen
Wed Dec 20, 2017, 12:02 AM
Dec 2017

in so many places, there is a strong thread of commitment to public service in that family. Yes, some members are scum, but others are far from scum.

It's unfortunate that too many families like the Kennedys think they should keep on naming kids generation after generation after one ancestor. If this young man were Shawn Kennedy, or Kyle Kennedy, or some other first name without a roman numeral after it and otherwise not connected to that family, he'd be better off.

Meanwhile, I keep on reading very good things about him, and I hope I'm lucky enough to vote for him for President some day.

democrank

(11,100 posts)
5. Joe Kennedy III is the real deal.
Wed Dec 20, 2017, 12:08 AM
Dec 2017

He won't need consultants or focus groups to help him decide what he stands for. He's a real leader, one of substance.

pnwmom

(108,990 posts)
10. Two from the same small state is pretty unlikely, since we're stuck with the Electoral College. n/t
Wed Dec 20, 2017, 12:34 AM
Dec 2017

murielm99

(30,755 posts)
15. I believe it is illegal to have two from the same state.
Wed Dec 20, 2017, 01:13 AM
Dec 2017

Dubai and Cheney fudged to get on the same ticket.

 

Kentonio

(4,377 posts)
31. Apparently its only against the 12th Amendment for voters to vote for..
Wed Dec 20, 2017, 06:33 AM
Dec 2017

Both a president and vice president that are from that voters own state.

The Constitution doesn't say that they cannot be from the same state. However, the 12th Amendment does say that electors may not vote for a President from their state and a Vice President also from their state. This issue came up in the 2000 presidential campaign when Texas Governor George W. Bush chose fellow Texas resident Richard Cheney to be his running mate. Cheney, who had served in Congress as a Representative from Wyoming, quickly changed his legal residence back to Wyoming to avoid the possible conflict for electors from Texas. Court challenges to Cheney's change of residency were denied.

It is unlikely that two people from the same state would ever be nominated by a major political party. It is constitutionally possible however. If it ever came to pass, the party that won the ticket's state would likely suggest to the electors that their votes for the President go to the presidential nominee and that the votes for the Vice President be given in honor of a party official. Electors in all other states, as mentioned above, would be free to vote for both of the party's nominees.


https://www.usconstitution.net/constfaq_a6.html

calimary

(81,441 posts)
11. I've been watching him for awhile now.
Wed Dec 20, 2017, 12:37 AM
Dec 2017

It'd be nice to have another Kennedy in the White House. He channels that same spirit. He's the grandson of Bobby Kennedy. I remember how he described the Affordable Care Act "this is how we take care of one another." Nine words, spoken so earnestly and with such sincerity, and they sum up everything our loftier more genuinely patriotic selves stand for, as well as the fundamentals Jesus taught us. I'm tremendously impressed with him.

cilla4progress

(24,760 posts)
16. Lets do this
Wed Dec 20, 2017, 01:17 AM
Dec 2017

Kamala Harris on the ticket? Cory Booker? Julian Castro? Kirstin Gillibrand?

Ahhh. Feels good to dream.

dflprincess

(28,082 posts)
43. She doesn't lose elections because she never takes a stand on anything more controversial
Wed Dec 20, 2017, 11:12 PM
Dec 2017

than suggesting puppies are really cute.

I'll give her this, she and her staff give the best non responses response I've ever heard and or read. It wasn't Amy Klobuchar raking Jeff Sessions over the coals when he was in front of the judiciary committee (and she is also on that committee).

We need a fighter, not someone who will do anything to avoid rocking the boat.





Cicada

(4,533 posts)
44. We need someone in office
Thu Dec 21, 2017, 08:47 AM
Dec 2017

We live in a world of parties now, not individuals. The policies which will get passed by one democrat will be about the same as those passed by any other democrat. Elizabeth Warren will get better environmental laws passed. Same for Klobuchar. Each would adopt similar regulations. Each would get the same consumer protections passed as the other, each would have about the same consumer rights regulations.

I certainly admire Warren more than Klobuchar. But Amy has a better chance of winning, because of those names pamby positions you described. I prefer President Amy to former candidate Elizabeth. But either will defeat Trump.

dflprincess

(28,082 posts)
47. We need a candidate who can excite the voters and
Thu Dec 21, 2017, 07:26 PM
Dec 2017

Give them something to vote for. Amy is not that person.

Cicada

(4,533 posts)
48. You may be right. Or wrong.
Thu Dec 21, 2017, 09:04 PM
Dec 2017

I am open to the argument firing up the troops will do better than defusing Warren haters. We should ask David Axlerod or Joe Trippi or Howard Dean or Nate Silver. I feel we are going to win in 2020 unless something weird happens. Republicans running ads turning Elizabeth Warren into Jo Stalin strikes me as something weird which might happen. So I tilt to Don’t Rock the Boat I tilt toward don’t take chances. I may be wrong.

dflprincess

(28,082 posts)
49. And you think they won't find ways to attack bland little Amy?
Thu Dec 21, 2017, 10:00 PM
Dec 2017

Nominate her and you'll lose anyone who had hope for any real change and by the time the Republicans are done with her we'll lose a bunch of of swing voters as well.

Playing it safe, not rocking the boat and "keeping our powder dry" had a lot to do with getting us into the mess we're in today.

Cicada

(4,533 posts)
50. A democratic President replacing Donald Trump is real change
Fri Dec 22, 2017, 01:26 AM
Dec 2017

Any Dem President.

Amy would support affordable health care for all, laws limiting carbon emissions, higher taxes on the rich, some extra infrastructure spending. I don’t think much more than that is going to happen given the world we live in right now. But 2028 and beyond? Demographic changes will blow the Republican Party as it is now to oblivion. Then we can talk about hoping for real change. And we will have real change. And we will have technological changes permitting a huge surge in human welfare. Electric cars will be dirt cheap to own and operate. That’s like a ten percent pay hike. Block chain will grab 8% of gdp back from the banks and insurers. That’s another 10% pay hike. Diseases cured or controlled. Another 10% pay hike. We do have a struggle to fight land owners who currently strangle us. They will be tough to defeat. But patience, patience.

Demsrule86

(68,643 posts)
27. I hope we can pick someone other than Gillibrand. I won't vote for her in a primary but will in a
Wed Dec 20, 2017, 05:38 AM
Dec 2017

general of course...let's consider geography in our selection also. We are going after the rust belt.

3catwoman3

(24,032 posts)
17. I have remarked in other threads...
Wed Dec 20, 2017, 01:30 AM
Dec 2017

...that he wears the mantle of noblesse oblige with grace and passion.

Seems like the real deal to me.

riverwalker

(8,694 posts)
18. Hes my guy
Wed Dec 20, 2017, 01:53 AM
Dec 2017

My son says “No more dynasty’s!” He’s sick of Bushs & Clintons. Too young to know anything about Joes grandfather Bobby and what he meant to us. But I keep working on him.

DFW

(54,436 posts)
33. I knew his grandfather slightly, and my dad was a good friend of his
Wed Dec 20, 2017, 06:51 AM
Dec 2017

Joe's grandfather was one very special man. What happened to Bobby in June 1968 was a serious blow to world history.

And tell your son to go to a school where English is taught! The plural of "dynasty" is "dynasties." I don't know what language his school is taught in, but English does NOT use an apostrophe to form a plural (Republicanese does, however).

Cha

(297,574 posts)
21. I would think shelter/homes could be added
Wed Dec 20, 2017, 02:43 AM
Dec 2017

to Joe Kennedy III's list, too..




Glad he's such a hard worker for our Democracy! Mahalo, pnwmom~
 

JimBeard

(293 posts)
46. A good promotional photo. Setting in a very simple office with his shirt sleeves rolled up!
Thu Dec 21, 2017, 02:18 PM
Dec 2017

Learning JFK's tricks with the camera. Pappa Joe encouraged video to help Jack.

CTyankee

(63,912 posts)
22. He's great. But so is my Senator, Chris Murphy...
Wed Dec 20, 2017, 02:49 AM
Dec 2017

I have often wondered about dynastic figures. One side of me likes the guy and the other says we shouldn't get worked up over his family's service and sacrifice, we need fresh faces. OTOH, I am so very glad he's there, keeping up the fight.

pnwmom

(108,990 posts)
23. Pretend he's not a Kennedy and look at his accomplishments -- which he's achieved
Wed Dec 20, 2017, 02:52 AM
Dec 2017

through hard work and perseverance. Is it fair for his options to be limited because of what older generations in his family have done?

CTyankee

(63,912 posts)
35. No, it's not fair. You are right.
Wed Dec 20, 2017, 11:17 AM
Dec 2017

As I said, I do like him and appreciate his efforts. I'd like to hear more from him!

Demsrule86

(68,643 posts)
28. One president almost 60 years ago is not a dynasty.
Wed Dec 20, 2017, 05:40 AM
Dec 2017

And why should we lose a good guy because 60 years ago his great uncle was president...makes no sense. We need a fresh face and a committed Democrat...he is that.

CTyankee

(63,912 posts)
36. Bobby and Teddy were also dominating the political scene after the JFK assassination.
Wed Dec 20, 2017, 11:23 AM
Dec 2017

What tragedies in their lives. I know it dominated my political scene, but with a sense of sadness for the Kennedy family and also for our losses politically. But I agree with you, he is a committed Democrat and he seems like a truly good guy.

I do think, however, that this country is long overdue for a woman president. We need to find and promote a female progressive Democrat.

Demsrule86

(68,643 posts)
37. I don't remember either of them...and there are millions like me.
Wed Dec 20, 2017, 01:28 PM
Dec 2017

I don't feel that we can elect a woman president this time...too much sexism. We have to win with whoever can. I want a woman president in my lifetime, but I want a Democratic win in 20 more at this moment. My future son in law who is Black told me...in his mostly Black barbershop, lifelong Democrats said the wouldn't vote for Hillary. That is the reality of the situation...same is true in my kids' millennial groups...quite a bit of sexsim. We all witnessed the sexism and lies Hillary Clinton faced. We need to change hearts and minds...but we can't do it by 20 and another GOP win would crush progressivism.

CTyankee

(63,912 posts)
38. Well, there was a time when it was out of the question for a black man to be
Wed Dec 20, 2017, 02:31 PM
Dec 2017

President and before that for a Catholic to become president (JFK). Somehow we have to break the glass ceiling and I don't mean with a Sarah Palin or any other Republican woman. If it is Kirsten Gillibrand, I will vote for her. Ditto with Warren or Kamala Harris or Amy Klobuchar. It is shameful that the U.S. has not yet had a woman leading our nation when all over the world it is old news that women run countries.

The Republican brand, according to the latest polls, is highly unpopular, the highest it has been against the GOP in a long time. We must carefully lay our groundwork for 2018 and 2020. I expect to be as active as possible in both campaigns.

sprinkleeninow

(20,254 posts)
30. Sen. Murphy. Uh-huh, do like.
Wed Dec 20, 2017, 06:24 AM
Dec 2017

Then again, having been born 'n' raised in CT, so have partiality.
My heart is forever in CT, alto' relocated in '85.

BannonsLiver

(16,439 posts)
39. Im a fan but would like to see him be more progressive on marijuana legalization.
Wed Dec 20, 2017, 02:49 PM
Dec 2017

Not a deal breaker for me though.

rollin74

(1,989 posts)
41. I will never vote for him
Wed Dec 20, 2017, 03:20 PM
Dec 2017

he voted with a lot of rethugs to allow the DEA to go after medical cannabis patients, even in states where it has been legalized

I trust voters over the DEA and bureaucrats in DC

he's a prohibitionist drug warrior

NNadir

(33,541 posts)
51. I personally would dread voting for one of Joseph P. Kennedy's descendants.
Fri Dec 22, 2017, 01:41 AM
Dec 2017

While I enthusiastically voted for Ms. Clinton; my vote was despite her famous name; she had real accomplishments.

I've been unimpressed with the Kennedy's, with the possible exception of Ted and for him, only in his last years.

JFK was an unreconstructed cold warrior and sybarite, who nearly stumbled into a nuclear war because of his distracted behavior at the 1961 Vienna summit.

Bobby, who served as an assistant for that awful human being Roy Cohn is perhaps most over rated politician of the twentieth century, and was certainly no help to a much better man (for all his faults), Lyndon Johnson.

If this guy's name were Representative Joe Blistowiky rather than Joe Kennedy, no one would even remotely consider his a worthy candidate for the US presidency.

From my perspective, he needs to be divorced from his name, to overcome it, to impress me.

The person for whom his is named, his great grandfather, strongly objected to President Roosevelt's resistance to Adolf Hitler, hung out with British cryptofascists and Chamberlite appeasers and promised all of his rich friends in the late 1950's and early 1960's that no son of his was a liberal.

Only on the last point was he right.

MontanaMama

(23,337 posts)
52. Watched an interview
Fri Dec 22, 2017, 01:43 AM
Dec 2017

today with Rep Tim Ryan from Ohio on Bill Press. He was VERY impressive. Checked a lot of boxes for me. He had charisma...something I think is very important. Sounds shallow I know, but it is necessary to get folks interested enough to listen to the content of what a candidate is saying.

Vinca

(50,302 posts)
55. We live in a shallow political climate (think reality show POTUS).
Fri Dec 22, 2017, 08:45 AM
Dec 2017

Rep. Kennedy is a bonus because he not only has that charisma, he has brains and heart. No candidate will ever agree with you 100% of the time, but haven't we learned the lesson on purity tests in a big way? In addition, as an older Democrat, I'm excited to see the younger generation take center stage.

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