The stupid burns. Often!

Might as well monetize this, though. See if there's any takers on this "tax cut." Save your last pay stub from 2017, then compare it to the first one of 2018. Bet the difference. So when the knuckleheads see that they're paying higher taxes, you get to double their pain, and help yourself to a tidy little profit.

I had a poker buddy say that losing a pot was the best teacher: "Oh, that's why you don't plunge heavily trying to fill an inside straight."

"The problem is simple, STUPID doesn't burn"

eom

is going to show up in their pay stub. It will be when they do their taxes in Jan19- After the election. They will find out that they will lose several big deductions.

No immediate reaction or understanding

It'll be blamed on our last actual President and Hillary's e-mails.

BRAIN DEAD FUCKERS

and they decided that the tax bill is the best thing ever for ever and ever amen.

bonus planned BEFORE the traitors in DC screwed the entire country. I think McConnell, Ryan and Sessions get uglier with every photo.

Thanks!

If nine people each receive a $100 yearly tax cut and one person receives a tax cut worth $49,100, then the average tax cut is $5,000. Those fools think they are going to receive $5,000 when they are only going to receive just under $2 a week.

They believe they got it better than “the other guy”
Until it’s them
Then reality slaps them upside the head
And
Karma bites down hard

pit in hell. Sorry!

news black out for peace and quiet. ignorance was bliss.

Mahalo, Tanuki.. Good to see you again!

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(Five months news black out! How were you able to manage that?)

I moved to a new apt/town in July and had a lot of things to do to get established. My new place is so quiet and peaceful I wanted to keep that going without any distractions from the heinous idiots.

Also had family visiting the Island for the first time.. so a lot of showing and doing fun things with them.

Lots of Netflix and chill, too.

Mahalo for hanging in there and fighting for our democracy, FTC! .. and everybody!

Some day I'll visit Hawaii...

Glad to see you back! Hope all is well with you!

Good to see you and everyone again!

every one of them.

Blue tsunami in 2018

they can keep their fucking guns too.

I want to see non-rich Republican voters explain that away.

because that's what they will be told to do by Faux Snooze and the Repugs in the Congress and WH.

As Ron White says, "You can't fix stupid."

merely when the "libruls" are upset about something. They barely even register the effects on themselves.

Then they will figure out that they no longer get deductions for their mortgages, children, state taxes paid and medical expenses. (I know they get an overall deduction of $11 K but the $4500 per person is lost, so after one child, you are over the 11K so you LOSE).

They won't know anything else until they file in 2019. Even then a lot of people won't be any worse off. The deficit triggering inflation probably won't happen for a few years. This is going to be a slow motion disaster, like Kansas, and by the time things really hurt it will be too late. The 2018 election can't be about this tax reform, it needs to be about social security and medicare.

to go for yrs

Trump even understands what is in the bill. The only reason they haven't impeached him yet is that he will sign anything they put in front of him without even reading it.

makes off with the loot.

plus he hasn't shown his tax returns either he's a con and they are stealing from Americans.
He thinks he is winning

In short, they are idiot racist fuckheads.

The first and last item on my Christmas wish list is seeing Trump have a massive cerebral event on live TV.

There's not a whole lot 'cerebral' left there at this point anyway ... so that 'event' might be, shall we say ... anti-climactic ...

Each night I dream of it, and each morning I wake disappointed.

has been to tell congressional republicans to come up with something for him to sign, and then we'll declare "victory"

Trump does not know jack shit about anything. Healthcare, taxes, whatever.

Especially for they do not know that they will get hit the hardest!

BUT...

They will never realize/admit that it was their own mistakes that led to this.

They'll still blame Obama, Muslims, liberals without any corroborating evidence and they'll stay just as stupid and vile till the day they die.

But when the younger generation turned out to be Hitler-worshipping Neo-Nazis, who are *MORE* racist, sexist, misogynistic, homophobic, and xenophobic than their parents are, now I'm not so sure. Once hate mongers, always hate mongers.

I grew up in the 60's/70's when the younger generation (the baby boomers) were supposed to be fixing the world.

But look how that actually turned out. A lot of the boomers just became yuppies.

Any time I'm still inclined to trust the young, I just remember the phrase/title 'College Republicans'

The young will never save us.

...and red business sized cards with RESIST in white letters.....on the back list several # sites. I put mine everywhere...in restrooms...in menus..between products on the grocery aisle...on public bulletin boards... sea of red to warn them of the wave of blue coming!

Take
Everything
Assholes

in the fact that they won! They've never been listened to in their entire lives, because of their abject stupidity. Well, now their "man" was victorious. They've finally won something. Of course their abject stupidity prevents them from realizing that their "winning" is actually "losing", but they won't realize this until it's far too late for anything to be done about it.

They're also reveling that the "libtards" are apoplectic about this traitorous gang of thieves in the White House, and that makes them extremely happy! Again, their abject stupidity prevents them from seeing that every "libtard" is more concerned about their well being than any Republican, but.........oh well, stupid is as stupid does. Fuck them.

those people will blame liberals somehow

they'll just blame it on Obama and Obamacare.

If I could produce the last ballot I voted, that I could be exempted from dumb shit like this...
'Oh, I see you voted a straight Dem ticket last time. Guess what?..Republican Majority tax anythings don't apply to you.'
The other side can have the same deal...
'I see here you voted for McCain AND Romney. Good job, sir and no you DONT have to sign up for that stupid libtard obamacare...In fact, you CANT, as you voted to EXEMPT YOURSELF, isn't that cool??'

with a pay raise.

but it will be way less than the ~14% tax break the corporations are getting. Also way less than the pay raises, bonuses, and perks available to upper management.

As one DUer posted a few weeks back, it's the Horse and the Sparrow plan -- the horse gets all the oats it wants, and the sparrow pecks around for little pieces in the piles the horse leaves on the road.

...of Branch Trumpvidians.

When their medicare is cut off along with the social security, and they're sick and starving, I'll drive to their house and stick a Trump sign on the lawn.

the people who were for "tolerant understanding" have hardened up quite a bit since Trump first took office. In the first few days A.D. (after Dumbass) many were preaching that these people were just misunderstood and lied to, and that they'd soon see that Trump was a liar, and we could make inroads into helping them see the error of their ways. Democrats now know that these people are hopeless mental-deficients, and no amount of rational discourse is going to convert them. I've seen far less "tolerant understanding" lately. One of the biggest differences between Democrats and Republicans is Democrats have the capacity to learn!

Worshipping the Rush Limbaugh anal cyst that has usurped the Oval Office.

They will sing a different toon.

I have to say I feel guilty because I will wind up with a refund for the first time in years but at the same time this is screwing the country. I look at my daughter who is almost 2 years old and I see someone who is going to grow up in a country with tremendous debt that her generation will have to address.

All those folks in pricey homes in Neshannock and environs will have to move back to New Castle!

to nice, new digs.

They'll be moaning when they see their bank accounts shrivel and they've got no health insurance. It will be a miserable way to die for most.

It imposes tariffs on goods made in Puerto Rico. Employers will shut down PR factories. Puerto Rican’s will move in even larger numbers and they will know Repubs killed their jobs and country.
The million Puerto Rican’s already in Florida will become more supportive of Democrats. So Trump will lose Florida next time, Dems will regularly win from now on.

They will never learn.

How are you hearing that praise? Talk radio ? Barber shop? In line at the grocery store?

It's online. It's on the street. It's over backyard fences. It's at the grocery store. It's in the checkout line at Walmart. It's at the bus stop. It's in the hospital waiting room. It's in the dining area of the restaurant.

What is the point of your question?

GMTA.

I can't wait for them to start whining about being hungry

for trump are going to be in a world of hurt, just wait, so many people will be suffering due to these assholes.

Is it pitchforks and torches time????

This is truly an assault on the American people.

No need to try and convince them now because they simply will refuse to believe it until they start suffering from all this.

Which I'll admit isn't a great tool, indicates that even those who make $20-40k will save money under the new tax bill. http://www.cnn.com/2017/12/13/politics/calculate-americans-taxes-senate-reform-bill/index.html. This is a crappy bill, but we need to be able to explain why it is.

It doesn't seem possible.

n/t

All they know is what Faux News tells them. Any report that they will be screwed are dismissed as fake news.

When their tax bill goes up - or when they loose their Social Security, Medicare or Medicaid - or when their kids loose their CHIP policy - or when the nursing home closes and they're told to come collect Granny - maybe then they will wonder if maybe, just maybe, they have been lied to.

Only if it happens to them. They can write their republican congress critters asking them to undo what those horrible democrats just passed.

Never mind that the billionaires ushered in the second great depression, and that they're going to take our homes and everything we own and hold dear. All they know is that they pissed off liberals, and that's good enough for them. Because that's what AM hate radio and Fox News told them to think. Fuck these motherfuckers.

To them that's nirvana and you're not going to convince them otherwise.

That's what I worry about in the 2018 elections.
Dems assume they can use the tax law to batter Republicans.
But all people will know is that they personally are getting a little more back from the government.

The huge hammer requires explanation and an ability to see the future.
Not a strong point with a large proportion of American voters.

It will be hard to sell this as what it really is.

negative numbers mean you pay more taxes. positive numbers are tax savings.

Sickening.

They are foolish. They actually think that these tax cuts are only going to hurt liberals. I bet even when it does hurt them they will still cheer him on one check away from being homeless or hungry. Willful ignorance is a disease.

and every f----g tv at the gym had Faux on.

stooges and idiots.

like in 40 states with 80 senators.

and the dems stupidly keep ignoring it, analyzing fish without water and blaming talk radio's dumb little brother, Fox

too much fake news on the Faux News Channel.

$22million threshold for tax free estates was going to be aspirational for the American public in so many words.

We have officially entered a bizzaro world with no coming back in my opinion.

If Sean Hannity tells them to take cyanide tomorrow, the line at the local chemical supply shop tomorrow will be around the corner.

to stop the insanity

Hard to fathom the level of abject stupidity, but idiots like that are still quite plentiful. They want to believe their hateful diatribes, and the propoganda feeds their moronic delusions.

Unfortunately for the rest of us we get to suffer along with those dumb shits. Too bad they will never learn. They just don't want to know, rather they'd blame 'libtards' for their suffering even when it's obviously not the case.

There's no helping the majority of fuckwits like this. I guess the best case scenario is to hope most of them don't vote (most Americans don't anyway)

So just engage in an anti-voting propaganda campaign for trumple tards? "Don't vote, the libruls want you to, so just stay home" Maybe? I dunno, I agree they are a waste of time, as they've no interest in learning or "debate" (lol)

The world is full of idiots, and the election showed us how many there are.

If that is a single working mother, it may be hard to convince
her that a sudden increase in take home is a bad thing.

I wouldn't call her stupid, just a mom with a couple of more bucks for groceries.

I do know a family of 4 who are living on 1 income. They earn about $60k per year
and take home between $35k-$40k. The difference between earnings and
take home are both the cost of health care insurance and taxes. I know they get back
almost a $5k refund because deductions reduce their taxable income well
below the withholding.

When times are tough , they do not qualify for assistance. When he got sick
and could not work, they went almost a year with no income. They were
denied assistance because their earnings from Jan-Mar put them above the
income guidelines. When he was out of work long enough to fall into the
guidelines, his short term disability had kicked in they were denied for still
earning too much. The short term disability was only a 3rd of what they took
home. Living on short term disability, they still had to maintain premiums
on their health care coverage. Their cost of living actually went up because
of the additional cost associated with being ill and recovering from treatment.

Now this looks like the best case for tax payer funded health care or at least
a continuation for the ACA, But that would be a misunderstanding of how the
ACA works or how single payer would work. Neither, would provide for the loss
of income and living standards of those who depend upon the income earner
during a time when income is $0.

I think there is a better way. At times I think I see an opportunity. But honestly
It would take more than a one man think tank to make the best of ideas work.

RE: $25K income earners, If $60k barely sustains a family of 4, I'm not
confident that a family of 2 can rely on $25k. I could get by on $10k a
year if I could keep the whole $10k. But that would be living in a near state
of willful homelessness.

I wouldn't call any of the people stuck in these standards of living, stupid.
I would consider them some what desperate. Seems like a non-partisan issue
since no party is reaching them.

Sorry for the long reply.....

but there are people in the country who do. Take heart in that.

Fuck 'em sideways!

Why are you surprised that ignorant idiots are praising trump. Trump's base is composed of idiots.

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I suspect you're either an optimist or you haven't paid attention to the systematic dumbing down of the country and the pretense of civility and sophistication having been swept away like so much dust.

Their idiocy is an ugly reflection of Trump's ugly idiocy, in that I keep thinking that he can't get any dumber, and yet each day he surprises me with a new low.

I suspect that they love him in part because, even though he's an idiot, they think he's smart, so that lets them think that they're smart, too.

May all of them and those like them crash, burn, and die!!! I will almost be gleefully happy when they lose everything.

Afterwards they can all go to hell.

Fuck them and the politicians they rode in on.

There are no personal exemptions, right?

Each personal exemption claimed is worth a little over $4000. If they have kids, they get a $1000 tax deduction/child. So that's $5000 off the top of total household income per child.

Under the new bill, the personal exemptions go away, but the child deduction goes to $2000/child.

Doing subtraction, that's $5000/child today vs $2000/child starting in 2018. For each child, then, a family gets to pay taxes on $3000 more of their total household income. What a deal!

Yesterday at dusk, I was driving my car and saw an apparent homeless guy riding a bicycle that had Trump stickers all over it. Truly was a sad thing to see, a person that clearly needs a social safety net deeply supporting a person that deny such a thing to him.