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Can we send the gun posts back to the gun forum yet? (Original Post) cali Jul 2012 OP
It get more absurd by the hour Marrah_G Jul 2012 #1
It truly does Go Vols Jul 2012 #112
Logical fallacy. girl gone mad Jul 2012 #115
Don't do that to the gun nut virgins. liberal N proud Jul 2012 #2
can't argue with that. cali Jul 2012 #5
Seconded. nt cyberswede Jul 2012 #3
Please Admin. take note. thanks. Tuesday Afternoon Jul 2012 #4
yes please shanti Jul 2012 #6
Yes please.. or give us the opportunity to block by keyword SoCalDem Jul 2012 #43
+1 nt TBF Jul 2012 #101
it's the only subject that brings many of them into the main forums CreekDog Jul 2012 #7
I want them back in the gungeon where they can exercise cali Jul 2012 #10
Guns are our LIVES in USA today...why cordone them off? KoKo Jul 2012 #20
Back, back into the gungeon with them! Art_from_Ark Jul 2012 #118
I want them back on other messageboards Scootaloo Jul 2012 #127
And then there is the question of boredom. I don't know about you, but I am bored to death CTyankee Jul 2012 #130
+1 CreekDog Jul 2012 #134
+2 ellisonz Jul 2012 #139
+3 red dog 1 Jul 2012 #160
Members of the cult of penile compensation... Surya Gayatri Jul 2012 #128
What would nature be if red ants didn't swarm when their mound is stepped on? L0oniX Jul 2012 #14
Gosh what a mean spirited post. nt Mojorabbit Jul 2012 #122
But accurate, yes? nt ieoeja Jul 2012 #149
No it isn't and I hate that members of this board and party are Mojorabbit Jul 2012 #150
Maybe tomorrow... Egalitarian Thug Jul 2012 #8
it's sure opened my eyes- as someone who has never visited the gungeon before cali Jul 2012 #15
This message was self-deleted by its author bupkus Jul 2012 #56
I know this episode has labeled me another "gun-nut" simply because I point out the flaws Egalitarian Thug Jul 2012 #123
I wish. I've already burned out my "Trash this thread" button. L0oniX Jul 2012 #9
Oh, my God, yes........ FredStembottom Jul 2012 #11
I wish there was a way warrior1 Jul 2012 #12
kick warrior1 Jul 2012 #161
It is getting repetetive and obscene, IMO. As we mow down their arguments they get more CTyankee Jul 2012 #13
Thanks for the perfect example. n/t Egalitarian Thug Jul 2012 #124
It would be interesting to count how many of the gun threads being complained about shadowrider Jul 2012 #153
I wouldn't take that bet. The firearm advocates here are definitely a large cut above Egalitarian Thug Jul 2012 #159
Hopefully Skinner will draw the line soon ProgressiveProfessor Jul 2012 #16
But I've made so many new friends. sadbear Jul 2012 #17
Really? What's your secret? -..__... Jul 2012 #21
No...it's "Current News." eom KoKo Jul 2012 #18
so, you're admin? cali Jul 2012 #19
Wow, the 'STFU' squad in full force.... The Doctor. Jul 2012 #22
huh? anti-choicer? no, just anti-insane raving cali Jul 2012 #26
It's almost like the forum had a feature to deal with that on your own... AtheistCrusader Jul 2012 #47
This message was self-deleted by its author bupkus Jul 2012 #83
The vast majority of toxic bile in the last two days has come from anti-gun rights posters Johnny Rico Jul 2012 #86
Quite amusing really permatex Jul 2012 #91
"The vast majority of toxic bile in the last two days has come from anti-gun rights posters" Spitfire of ATJ Jul 2012 #147
If I could get close I dump all my "toxic bile" on you. xtraxritical Jul 2012 #157
Excuse me, you've got a little bile on your shoe there. AtheistCrusader Jul 2012 #145
One of the best ideas in days. Golf is over, what now?...n/t monmouth Jul 2012 #23
sounds like a plan. n/t NRaleighLiberal Jul 2012 #24
This message was self-deleted by its author bupkus Jul 2012 #25
lovely post, bupkus. -- Tuesday Afternoon Jul 2012 #29
Just so eloquent. permatex Jul 2012 #35
truly, hope the admin are reading this thread. bupkus really has a way with words. Tuesday Afternoon Jul 2012 #36
This message was self-deleted by its author bupkus Jul 2012 #49
you know it is nasty what you wrote. you even addressed the jury and mentioned that it might Tuesday Afternoon Jul 2012 #60
It's tragic permatex Jul 2012 #62
Its almost FR-like in its authoritarian aggression. HooptieWagon Jul 2012 #65
This message was self-deleted by its author bupkus Jul 2012 #73
Why? Atypical Liberal Jul 2012 #87
"Gun control is a dead issue" Skittles Jul 2012 #92
Dead as in a fresh new dozen dead Tsiyu Jul 2012 #105
dead as in 10,000 a year Skittles Jul 2012 #114
Your numbers are out of date - don't forget that every year they go down. hack89 Jul 2012 #163
The only one spreading their venom here is you permatex Jul 2012 #31
99% of the venom in the last couple of days has been from anti-gun posters. Johnny Rico Jul 2012 #38
I got a hate filled pm from a DU'er, I alerted on it to the admins. permatex Jul 2012 #44
Says a lot about that poster's character, doesn't it? Johnny Rico Jul 2012 #54
Agreed. HooptieWagon Jul 2012 #70
It drives them nuts that this isn't an anti-gun echo chamber. Johnny Rico Jul 2012 #78
Post removed Post removed Jul 2012 #94
I dislike guns and I wish everyone felt that way, but your post is NOT helping. nt Chorophyll Jul 2012 #41
Do you kiss your mom with that mouth? Higgs boson Jul 2012 #42
This message was self-deleted by its author bupkus Jul 2012 #45
Mine passed away in 2007. She once chased a thug out of her house with her .38. Higgs boson Jul 2012 #59
This message was self-deleted by its author bupkus Jul 2012 #64
+ 1000 n/t pkdu Jul 2012 #68
Oops. There's that 'real' American giveaway. Ineeda Jul 2012 #74
No kidding. laundry_queen Jul 2012 #156
You are wrong. Atypical Liberal Jul 2012 #84
How about some proof that the "regulars" in the gun forum.... Marengo Jul 2012 #106
This message was self-deleted by its author bupkus Jul 2012 #131
Forget it. Asking an anti-gun person for proof brings about more insults shadowrider Jul 2012 #154
SO true. I trashed the gungeon and have been ignoring all those spewing RW shit. morningfog Jul 2012 #107
forty percent of democrats own guns Mojorabbit Jul 2012 #125
Bless your heart. n/t Egalitarian Thug Jul 2012 #126
I see what you did there n/t shadowrider Jul 2012 #155
People would take you more seriously if you TYPE IN ALL CAPS!!!111!!! slackmaster Jul 2012 #137
You can make that room invisible. I lobbied for that ability in DU3. onehandle Jul 2012 #140
Iverglass, is that you? rl6214 Jul 2012 #151
Yeah bubkus, dump the gun nuts. I mean really. xtraxritical Jul 2012 #158
They couldn't get this post hidden, so now they're pleading for you to "self delete." apocalypsehow Jul 2012 #172
Sounds good to me. Quantess Jul 2012 #27
Also Admin please note how many times it is called Gungeon and consider a name change, thanks. Tuesday Afternoon Jul 2012 #28
I have never met so many easy ... 99Forever Jul 2012 #30
Aurora NRA Massacre? permatex Jul 2012 #33
Every village needs an idiot. nt Remmah2 Jul 2012 #121
Only if they are positive Fla_Democrat Jul 2012 #32
The sooner the better. TheCowsCameHome Jul 2012 #34
What's your hurry? isuphighyeah Jul 2012 #37
Once the Hounds are Released, On the Road Jul 2012 #39
Post removed Post removed Jul 2012 #40
This message was self-deleted by its author bupkus Jul 2012 #46
EXACTLY. AtheistCrusader Jul 2012 #51
Not familiar with sarcasm, are you? HooptieWagon Jul 2012 #52
This message was self-deleted by its author bupkus Jul 2012 #138
Maybe you should get your sarcasmometer calibrated.......... Higgs boson Jul 2012 #55
This message was self-deleted by its author bupkus Jul 2012 #136
Your a good one to talk permatex Jul 2012 #67
He might be a goner in a short while. Kaleva Jul 2012 #71
This message was self-deleted by its author permatex Jul 2012 #77
He's gone Kaleva Jul 2012 #89
Whoops permatex Jul 2012 #93
Wont work as long as the anti-gun zealots continue with their GD screeds HooptieWagon Jul 2012 #48
This message was self-deleted by its author bupkus Jul 2012 #53
What Do You Call Pro-Gun Folks otohara Jul 2012 #66
NRA are the pro-gun zealots, only 4% of owners belong. HooptieWagon Jul 2012 #85
Then I Invite You To Watch - The Secret War On Guns otohara Jul 2012 #95
QED. HooptieWagon Jul 2012 #117
OMG - seriously? Ruby the Liberal Jul 2012 #100
Perhaps 65-70% of those who vote Democrat support RKBA. Are you suggesting DU ignore them? nt jody Jul 2012 #50
Sure. If they are single issue voters (guns) who will run to the right, morningfog Jul 2012 #108
I'm sick of the gun posts! K&R B Calm Jul 2012 #57
All the talk and nothing will happen with any type of gun control. I don't mind southernyankeebelle Jul 2012 #58
I've had f-bomb after f-bomb thrown at me for pointing out just that. Johnny Rico Jul 2012 #80
When their argument is desparate, thats what they resort to. HooptieWagon Jul 2012 #90
Yes and again I had someone who didn't agree with me get nasty. But I think everyone is southernyankeebelle Jul 2012 #104
And can it be done retroactively? TheCowsCameHome Jul 2012 #61
Nobody is running them off, we just want the discussion B Calm Jul 2012 #63
I hope so. nt snappyturtle Jul 2012 #69
Sorry to be a red-headed step child sarisataka Jul 2012 #72
Yes. A number of these OPs were started by folks I don't see in the gungeon. Kaleva Jul 2012 #76
Agree and those new to discussing unalienable rights are shocked to find that SCOTUS said jody Jul 2012 #98
Exactly. Well said. N/t Atypical Liberal Jul 2012 #88
Yes, exactly. HooptieWagon Jul 2012 #99
This message was self-deleted by its author bupkus Jul 2012 #144
Meanwhile the momentum against Romney is losing steam. Unfortunate. n/t FedUpWithIt All Jul 2012 #75
Good question. MontecaR Jul 2012 #79
Congrats to the OP on the 75-post milestone! Tejas Jul 2012 #81
I think I'm ready for that. Blue_In_AK Jul 2012 #82
I haven't read every thread or every post related to the Colorado murders.... soccer1 Jul 2012 #96
I dunno... liberalmuse Jul 2012 #97
Yeah, right, chervilant Jul 2012 #135
Please yes. Rec nt PufPuf23 Jul 2012 #102
I agree. Initially I could understand the spillover, now it's getting absurd and some people appear MADem Jul 2012 #103
The point of all the Colorado shooting posts is .?.?.?.. dtom67 Jul 2012 #109
Until next time. The next Zimmerman or next crazed shooting morningfog Jul 2012 #110
Send the guns to the junk yard samsingh Jul 2012 #111
Please, please, please! For now, I'll just trash those threads. nt valerief Jul 2012 #113
Back to the hidey hole with thee flamingdem Jul 2012 #116
I'm getting tire of hitting the trash button. Can't believe it's allowed to dominate every board nt progressivebydesign Jul 2012 #119
don't send all these shitty silly threads to RKBA. ileus Jul 2012 #120
RKBA? rgbecker Jul 2012 #129
This message was self-deleted by its author bupkus Jul 2012 #132
K&R demmiblue Jul 2012 #133
Amen, cali. I'm visiting here less, all these bullshit copycat threads, closeupready Jul 2012 #141
It can't happen soon enough. likesmountains 52 Jul 2012 #142
Pretty, pretty please send them back. MissMarple Jul 2012 #143
Since DU3's inception, I've trashed 30 threads - 28 just today about guns closeupready Jul 2012 #146
I wish we could have checkboxes and do a mass-delete SoCalDem Jul 2012 #152
I wish. HappyMe Jul 2012 #148
They're still talking about the LOSING ISSUE gun control! B Calm Jul 2012 #162
How about now, 2 days after this OP was written? cali Jul 2012 #164
Ditto. (Again.) I'm probably at about 145 threads trashed. closeupready Jul 2012 #167
oh please do.. i'm tired of them at this point nt steve2470 Jul 2012 #165
move them to the gun forum please! warrior1 Jul 2012 #166
If you want GD restored and gun posts (largely) back in the gungeon cali Jul 2012 #168
. Quantess Jul 2012 #169
Hide thread, ignore user works for me (nt) bigwillq Jul 2012 #170
K&R BumRushDaShow Jul 2012 #171

Go Vols

(5,902 posts)
112. It truly does
Sun Jul 22, 2012, 09:54 PM
Jul 2012

a man that can make napalm shot people with guns,and now all gun owners are at fault.

CreekDog

(46,192 posts)
7. it's the only subject that brings many of them into the main forums
Sun Jul 22, 2012, 07:22 PM
Jul 2012

well, that and the shooting of Trayvon Martin.

I mean, what kind of place would we be without people here to defend the indefensible, poorly?

 

cali

(114,904 posts)
10. I want them back in the gungeon where they can exercise
Sun Jul 22, 2012, 07:24 PM
Jul 2012

their bizarre passions a bit more discreetly.

 

Scootaloo

(25,699 posts)
127. I want them back on other messageboards
Mon Jul 23, 2012, 03:44 AM
Jul 2012

There's not exactly a lack of places on the internet where you can gush over gun porn, warn everyone about "thugs" and "gun grabbers" and proclaim your right to launch a one-man war against "the feds."

So long as they remain catered to, we'll have to keep putting up with this.

CTyankee

(63,912 posts)
130. And then there is the question of boredom. I don't know about you, but I am bored to death
Mon Jul 23, 2012, 08:13 AM
Jul 2012

with their weak, repetitive arguments. Intellectually, they are the shallowest of thinkers, which gets masked by their obvious zealotry.

Because of this basic flaw, I think the gunners will probably fade away once the news about Aurora dies down (and until the next round of slaughter of Americans). It's hard to ignore it with blood running in the streets, but when the funerals and mounds of teddy bears and flowers, weeping families interviewed on TV all go away, we'll go back to business as usual. Let me tell you, my family lived through the death of a family member due to gun violence, you have no idea of what happens after. Or maybe you do, but others on this board do not.

 

Surya Gayatri

(15,445 posts)
128. Members of the cult of penile compensation...
Mon Jul 23, 2012, 04:16 AM
Jul 2012

Surely, they all must be "phallically challenged" at some level.

Mojorabbit

(16,020 posts)
150. No it isn't and I hate that members of this board and party are
Mon Jul 23, 2012, 05:29 PM
Jul 2012

attacking eachother with such hatefullness.

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Egalitarian Thug

(12,448 posts)
123. I know this episode has labeled me another "gun-nut" simply because I point out the flaws
Mon Jul 23, 2012, 02:11 AM
Jul 2012

in the anti-gun logic.

I also learned that there is some kind of point system in the Gungeon.

 

L0oniX

(31,493 posts)
9. I wish. I've already burned out my "Trash this thread" button.
Sun Jul 22, 2012, 07:23 PM
Jul 2012

Once you get all the gun threads trashed there's almost nothing listed in GD.

CTyankee

(63,912 posts)
13. It is getting repetetive and obscene, IMO. As we mow down their arguments they get more
Sun Jul 22, 2012, 07:25 PM
Jul 2012

out of bounds. What are the boundaries at DU? Do we have any? Can we not construct a place for the gun lovers to spout and post pics and talk about hardware night and day?

Admins, please read some of these gun threads and think very hard about this.

shadowrider

(4,941 posts)
153. It would be interesting to count how many of the gun threads being complained about
Mon Jul 23, 2012, 06:09 PM
Jul 2012

were started by anti-gun people (who rarely, if ever, comment in the gungeon) compared to pro-gun people. I'd be willing to wager it's 20-1 or better.

 

Egalitarian Thug

(12,448 posts)
159. I wouldn't take that bet. The firearm advocates here are definitely a large cut above
Mon Jul 23, 2012, 07:45 PM
Jul 2012

what is usually found on the other dedicated sites. I think that too few other DUers appreciate the relative sanity and a pretty impressive depth of knowledge that is available here.

 

-..__...

(7,776 posts)
21. Really? What's your secret?
Sun Jul 22, 2012, 07:35 PM
Jul 2012

I must be going about it the wrong way then... I picked up 3 more star members placing me on ignore.

 

The Doctor.

(17,266 posts)
22. Wow, the 'STFU' squad in full force....
Sun Jul 22, 2012, 07:39 PM
Jul 2012

And with the typical emotion in place of substance, no less.

Good to see the anti-choicers are alive and well on DU. Errr.... I mean... oh, what's the real difference anyway.

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Johnny Rico

(1,438 posts)
86. The vast majority of toxic bile in the last two days has come from anti-gun rights posters
Sun Jul 22, 2012, 08:47 PM
Jul 2012

such as yourself.

I would point out that by your own admission you're writing posts that you expect will be hidden.

 

permatex

(1,299 posts)
91. Quite amusing really
Sun Jul 22, 2012, 08:52 PM
Jul 2012

he complains about pro 2A posters and all he's done in post after post is spew his hate and bile.

 

xtraxritical

(3,576 posts)
157. If I could get close I dump all my "toxic bile" on you.
Mon Jul 23, 2012, 07:25 PM
Jul 2012

Oh, you might pull your piece (I don't mean jerk off) and stand your ground, well I would try anyhow, and I think I could get that piece away from you too.

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Response to Tuesday Afternoon (Reply #29)

Tuesday Afternoon

(56,912 posts)
60. you know it is nasty what you wrote. you even addressed the jury and mentioned that it might
Sun Jul 22, 2012, 08:22 PM
Jul 2012

take you out of here. You could take the high road and self delete . . .

 

permatex

(1,299 posts)
62. It's tragic
Sun Jul 22, 2012, 08:23 PM
Jul 2012

but none of my firearms caused that and I am not responsible for the carnage as some here on DU have suggested.
Your constant rants and insults don't do any good at all.

 

HooptieWagon

(17,064 posts)
65. Its almost FR-like in its authoritarian aggression.
Sun Jul 22, 2012, 08:24 PM
Jul 2012

poster doesn't sound like a tolerant progressive to me... same as the rest of the antis...

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Atypical Liberal

(5,412 posts)
87. Why?
Sun Jul 22, 2012, 08:48 PM
Jul 2012
Gun control needs to be talked about and put in place NOW. Not after the next or the next or the next massacre. '

NOW.


Why? Because something sensational happened in the news?

Or because violent crime has been on the decline in this country for decades and continues to decline?

Are you letting emotions from a tragic event rule your thoughts, or are you objectively looking at what is happening in this country to drive your decisions?

Gun control is a dead issue, and it is a harmful issue for any politician that touches it. If you want Democrats to get nailed in Congress again as Bill Clinton acknowledged they did in after the AWB, just keep pushing for it.

hack89

(39,171 posts)
163. Your numbers are out of date - don't forget that every year they go down.
Tue Jul 24, 2012, 02:19 PM
Jul 2012

8770 is the number for 2010

 

permatex

(1,299 posts)
31. The only one spreading their venom here is you
Sun Jul 22, 2012, 07:51 PM
Jul 2012

The vast majority of us pro 2A members have been, for the most part, civil, patiently pointing out the lies and misstatements and enduring insults from the likes of you.
Just because we are pro 2A doesn't make us, how did you put it, neanderthal gun nuts, or this one, gun nut NRA assholes.
You claim to be progressive, you are anything but.

 

permatex

(1,299 posts)
44. I got a hate filled pm from a DU'er, I alerted on it to the admins.
Sun Jul 22, 2012, 08:12 PM
Jul 2012

here's a link to it and you can judge it yourself
http://www.democraticunderground.com/117252888#post22
Real classy, huh?

 

HooptieWagon

(17,064 posts)
70. Agreed.
Sun Jul 22, 2012, 08:30 PM
Jul 2012

I'm a non-owner, and somewhat middle of the road on gun control issues. I have been called every name in the book the past 3 days... all by the hysterical anti-gun zealots.

 

Johnny Rico

(1,438 posts)
78. It drives them nuts that this isn't an anti-gun echo chamber.
Sun Jul 22, 2012, 08:38 PM
Jul 2012

I've had 15 Star members put me on "ignore" in the last two days!

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Response to Higgs boson (Reply #42)

 

Higgs boson

(42 posts)
59. Mine passed away in 2007. She once chased a thug out of her house with her .38.
Sun Jul 22, 2012, 08:21 PM
Jul 2012

She was a real American who valued the right of self-defense. I miss her.

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Atypical Liberal

(5,412 posts)
84. You are wrong.
Sun Jul 22, 2012, 08:42 PM
Jul 2012

There are PLENTY of people who vote Democrat who are pro-second amendment. I am one of them. You can see my ballot from the last election in my sig.

I am pro-choice, pro-gay-rights, pro-environment, anti-corporations-are-people, pro-labor, and anti-war, to name a few of the traits that make me vote Democratic. I am against the plutocratic oligarchy we are becoming because of the rule of wealth in this country. I participate in the Occupy movement. I am for single-payer health care.

I also believe in ALL of the US Constitution.

I believe in collective action, but I also believe that individuals should be empowered to stand up to violence themselves if necessary, and not just by engaging in a physical contest of strength.

I believe that the intent of our founders was to decentralize power in government and in the military, with the ultimate source of armed power residing in the hands of the people. Imagine how many wars our country would have avoided in the last 65 years if the states had to all commit military forces individually to engage in them!

I find it astonishing that people who believe in the right to organize and bargain collectively get upset when 4 million people organize under the NRA to do just that. I guess collective bargaining is only OK when it's for issues you agree with.

I'm vote Democrat, and I support the second amendment. I voted for President Obama despite his 2nd amendment record and avowed campaign stance because the alternative was more war and more corporatism. Not just more, but zealously more.


 

Marengo

(3,477 posts)
106. How about some proof that the "regulars" in the gun forum....
Sun Jul 22, 2012, 09:28 PM
Jul 2012
"...aren't going to vote Democratic because they aren't Democrats.

That's a pretty strong statement. A reasonable person would expect some equally strong evidence to back it up.

So, how about it?

Response to Marengo (Reply #106)

shadowrider

(4,941 posts)
154. Forget it. Asking an anti-gun person for proof brings about more insults
Mon Jul 23, 2012, 06:18 PM
Jul 2012

OR links to the NRA page, perhaps because there's no direct quote from a pro-gun person that supports their viewpoint.

apocalypsehow

(12,751 posts)
172. They couldn't get this post hidden, so now they're pleading for you to "self delete."
Sun Jul 29, 2012, 04:37 PM
Jul 2012

What was it Harry Truman used to say? "I just tell the truth and they think it's hell!"

Perhaps they should add a binky to the smilies list...a few need to be handed out in this thread.

99Forever

(14,524 posts)
30. I have never met so many easy ...
Sun Jul 22, 2012, 07:47 PM
Jul 2012

... to fool crowd. Been playing the mirror opposite of their extremist rhetoric since the morning after the Aurora NRA Massacre, and none of them caught on. None. I have concluded that having a weird fetish might lower your IQ.

 

permatex

(1,299 posts)
33. Aurora NRA Massacre?
Sun Jul 22, 2012, 07:53 PM
Jul 2012

Is this the new gun control meme?
I wish you people would stick to one meme, I can't keep up.

isuphighyeah

(101 posts)
37. What's your hurry?
Sun Jul 22, 2012, 08:00 PM
Jul 2012

12 people in my community were killed. It's a legitimate debate. If it brings out the "gun nuts" then so be it. Let all sides be seen. What exactly do you think people should be talking about right now? Mitt Romney doesn't have a fucking prayer of winning this election. People are grieving. Is it really so hard to just scroll past the threads you don't like? Jesus. Maybe we should be talking about the desensitization of America by continuous violence in our daily lives. Or is there a forum for that?

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permatex

(1,299 posts)
93. Whoops
Sun Jul 22, 2012, 08:57 PM
Jul 2012

I thought you meant the other poster.
My bad, IMHO, he's the one that needs to be gone. Just my opinion.

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otohara

(24,135 posts)
66. What Do You Call Pro-Gun Folks
Sun Jul 22, 2012, 08:24 PM
Jul 2012

are they zealots too?

Mass killings are so fucking messy, let's just sweep it under the rug again.
We all know, nothing is going to happen, except for the next gun massacre.
So calm down, us zealots are just letting off a bit of steam. I live in Denver,
pardon me if I'm pissed off again. I was just getting over the death of my neighbor's son.
His dad picked him up took him to the Mts. and shot him in the back of the head.
He was 8 years old.

 

HooptieWagon

(17,064 posts)
85. NRA are the pro-gun zealots, only 4% of owners belong.
Sun Jul 22, 2012, 08:44 PM
Jul 2012

As far as rhetoric, the pro-NRA acts much more civilly than the anti-gun zealots.

As an analogy, the gun ownership supporters act like pro-choicers, while the anti-gun zealots spew venom like the talibornagain anti-choice crowd.

 

otohara

(24,135 posts)
95. Then I Invite You To Watch - The Secret War On Guns
Sun Jul 22, 2012, 08:57 PM
Jul 2012

produced the the more-civilly NRA!
It's running on various channels on the TV - you watch it and tell me how fucking civil these fear mongers are.

 

jody

(26,624 posts)
50. Perhaps 65-70% of those who vote Democrat support RKBA. Are you suggesting DU ignore them? nt
Sun Jul 22, 2012, 08:17 PM
Jul 2012
 

southernyankeebelle

(11,304 posts)
58. All the talk and nothing will happen with any type of gun control. I don't mind
Sun Jul 22, 2012, 08:20 PM
Jul 2012

people who use guns for hunting and home protection. But I am sorry no one needs a rifle like this guy had in a movie area. So talk talk talk nothing is going to happen.

 

southernyankeebelle

(11,304 posts)
104. Yes and again I had someone who didn't agree with me get nasty. But I think everyone is
Sun Jul 22, 2012, 09:23 PM
Jul 2012

entitled to their opinion. It makes me upset when I give mine and it goes against many others and all of a sudden I am getting the hate. But when it comes to guns you will never win if you say you are against them.

 

B Calm

(28,762 posts)
63. Nobody is running them off, we just want the discussion
Sun Jul 22, 2012, 08:24 PM
Jul 2012

in the right forum. You want to talk about guns, go to the gun forum. It's not rocket science!

sarisataka

(18,663 posts)
72. Sorry to be a red-headed step child
Sun Jul 22, 2012, 08:31 PM
Jul 2012

but by a quick count on the first page of GD 27 threads were anti-gun, 6 were pro-gun and well under half were started by regulars of GC & RKBA.
It appears IMO it is the general DU membership talking about this issue. It has drawn out members of the gun forum on both sides but they are not the ones driving it.

 

jody

(26,624 posts)
98. Agree and those new to discussing unalienable rights are shocked to find that SCOTUS said
Sun Jul 22, 2012, 09:00 PM
Jul 2012
Page 19 of SCOTUS' decision on Heller:
c. Meaning of the Operative Clause. Putting all of these textual elements together, we find that they guarantee the individual right to possess and carry weapons in case of confrontation. This meaning is strongly confirmed by the historical background of the Second Amendment.We look to this because [font color = ff0000 size = 3]it has always been widely understood that the Second Amendment, like the First and Fourth Amendments, codified a pre-existing right.[/font] The very text of the Second Amendment implicitly recognizes the pre-existence of the right and declares only that it “shall not be infringed.” As we said in United States v. Cruikshank, 92 U. S. 542, 553 (1876), “{t}his is not a right granted by the Constitution. Neither is it in any manner dependent upon that instrument for its existence. The Second amendment declares that it shall not be infringed . . . .”


By referring to the First, Second, and Fourth Amendments, it’s clear that SCOTUS used "pre-existing right" in the same sense that PA and VT used “natural, inherent, inalienable/unalienable rights”.

A DECLARATION OF THE RIGHTS OF THE INHABITANTS OF THE COMMONWEALTH OR STATE OF PENNSYLVANIA - 28 Sept. 1776 "That all men are born equally free and independent, and have certain natural, inherent and inalienable rights, amongst which are, the enjoying and defending life and liberty, acquiring, possessing and protecting property, and pursuing and obtaining happiness and safety."
[link:http://avalon.law.yale.edu/18th_century/vt01.asp|
A DECLARATION OF THE RIGHTS OF THE INHABITANTS OF THE STATE OF VERMONT- July 8, 1777]
“I. THAT all men are born equally free and independent, and have certain natural, inherent and unalienable rights, amongst which are the enjoying and defending life and liberty; acquiring, possessing and protecting property, and pursuing and obtaining happiness and safety.”

NOTE PA and VT statements differ only in the use of “inalienable” versus “unalienable”, a difference that occurred when the Declaration of Independence was written with Jefferson using “inalienable” and Adams using “unalienable”. Apparently Adams had the final say and the DOI used “unalienable”.


 

HooptieWagon

(17,064 posts)
99. Yes, exactly.
Sun Jul 22, 2012, 09:03 PM
Jul 2012

Once the antis started losing the argument they want everyone else to STFU and dissappear. Typical.

Response to HooptieWagon (Reply #99)

soccer1

(343 posts)
96. I haven't read every thread or every post related to the Colorado murders....
Sun Jul 22, 2012, 08:59 PM
Jul 2012

but, I will say, that I have an interest in reading what those with opposing views have to say. Yes, sometimes posters seem antagonist, in your face challenging of opposing positions. From what I've read, that goes for both sides of the gun control issue.

So, when the gun control topic is moved back to that forum I will continue to discuss the issues there....when I have something to say or when I want to learn something from those who own guns and firearms.

liberalmuse

(18,672 posts)
97. I dunno...
Sun Jul 22, 2012, 09:00 PM
Jul 2012

I'm learning lots of new things from gun enthusiasts. Apparently an AK-15 is not really considered an assault rifle - that's just a silly meme. Except for the minor additions of two grips that help the shooter move the gun from side to side while spraying bullets at multiple targets, and a magazine that holds a ton of ammo, it's really just a harmless deer rifle...

MADem

(135,425 posts)
103. I agree. Initially I could understand the spillover, now it's getting absurd and some people appear
Sun Jul 22, 2012, 09:19 PM
Jul 2012

to be deliberately abusing the relaxed atmosphere.

dtom67

(634 posts)
109. The point of all the Colorado shooting posts is .?.?.?..
Sun Jul 22, 2012, 09:35 PM
Jul 2012

That all gun owning Dems should join the republican party?

That gun-owning Dems should instantly change their views because someone calls them a nut on the internet?

That all NRA members better show up at election time and vote republican because the DU bloggers are coming for their guns?

It is nice to wrap yourself in a cloak of self-righteousness , the same way the repubs wrap themselves up in the Flag when they spend our money on wars and killing?

...

Isn't the real truth that the killer is the nut?
People get killed because over weed, crack and heroin; why don't we outlaw those things....

I agree that this stuff should go back to the Gun forum.

I'd rather talk about things that might win us the election, not lose it...

Besides, I'm not interested in attacking other democrats.




 

morningfog

(18,115 posts)
110. Until next time. The next Zimmerman or next crazed shooting
Sun Jul 22, 2012, 09:36 PM
Jul 2012

will bring them back. The gungeon needs a lock on it.

Response to rgbecker (Reply #129)

MissMarple

(9,656 posts)
143. Pretty, pretty please send them back.
Mon Jul 23, 2012, 03:28 PM
Jul 2012

This serves NO useful purpose, except for being divisive. And I wonder who finds that useful. Who ever it is definitely likes jerking people around by their emotions.

 

closeupready

(29,503 posts)
146. Since DU3's inception, I've trashed 30 threads - 28 just today about guns
Mon Jul 23, 2012, 04:09 PM
Jul 2012

and gun violence, the 2nd amendment, etc. Just fucking ridiculous.

Make that 35 threads trashed today.

SoCalDem

(103,856 posts)
152. I wish we could have checkboxes and do a mass-delete
Mon Jul 23, 2012, 06:05 PM
Jul 2012

I spent way too much time deleting them today.. No idea how many I have..took me almost 30 minutes of non-stop deletes though..then I took a sanity break & went to Target to buy dish soap & laundry baskets

HappyMe

(20,277 posts)
148. I wish.
Mon Jul 23, 2012, 04:20 PM
Jul 2012

It's the same crap from both sides, over and over and over.......

Neither side will convince the other. As soon as you hide one, another one saying the same thing pops up.

 

cali

(114,904 posts)
164. How about now, 2 days after this OP was written?
Tue Jul 24, 2012, 05:16 PM
Jul 2012

the pointless gun clutter in GD is really not a good thing.

 

cali

(114,904 posts)
168. If you want GD restored and gun posts (largely) back in the gungeon
Tue Jul 24, 2012, 05:21 PM
Jul 2012

keep this thread kicked.

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