THIS!

We will, and some will surprise many people, I predict.

We need to know who those people are.

It was a part of growing up, but we can hope it will be different in the future.

And like most such generalizations, it's bound to be incorrect.

But do you mean to tell me when you were a teen-ager you never expressed a view of a girl as a sex object to your male friends

I did not talk to my male friends about girls. I talked to the girls, instead. I found that far more rewarding. Most of my male friends also treated the girls at our school with respect as well. I tried to choose my friends carefully. Further, when guys I knew made sexist or such statements, I typically defended the girls they mentioned.

Perhaps I was unusual, but I had male friends who did the same, too.

But I must admit that in my experience you are unusual, more men talk (not act) like Trump rather then you. That is why he survived the tape.

It depends on the people you choose as your associates. The crowd you run with may behave quite differently than some other group. I was raised to respect people, regardless of their sex, appearance and other characteristics. I knew a lot of people who were raised the same way. I also know people who were not, but chose not to hang with those people.

I couldn't tell you what percentages of people in my youth were one way or another, frankly. I can tell you that the high school boys I was around didn't say crude or sexual things about girls. We all thought girls were terrific, and wanted them to like us, so we treated them well and made friends with them. It worked out pretty well, actually.

The same held true as we became adults. By choosing associates who were like-minded, we can control our own environment to some degree.

have said something like "what a nice piece of a$$" at some point

If the company you're keeping isn't to your liking, choose a different group.

behaving in a way that demeans women in a very public way?

Because that is exactly what it sounds like you are doing.

We have real enemies to fight. I believe that all people (including myself) have been sexist at some point in their lives, even if they do not know it. Some like Trump are blatant and even proud of it, while others do not even know they are doing it. We must teach the later and fight the former. But we can not dwell on the past, everybody makes mistakes, but we must save our energy for the present fight.

PS - just because a person did not support Hillary does not make them sexist, maybe they are just dumb.

Often used to deflect from a statement one made but now regrets...


https://www.logicallyfallacious.com/tools/lp/Bo/LogicalFallacies/155/Relative-Privation

Just forgive and move on, we have bigger fights to worry about

and I respect yours. Let us agree to disagree and focus on Don-the-Con who we both know is sexist bigly.

so its bound to impart some latent sexism on everyone, even women (haha, internalized misogyny is a helluva drug). Same with racism or homophobia/transphobia. Nobody is born a perfect ally. It may not be intentional or obvious or conscious, a small microaggression here or there, an assumption made, an intrusive thought, but at some point it's settled in a pore or two. It's work to unpack that shit.

Part of working to undo it, to get beyond it, is seeing it for what it is, seeing how insidious and dangerous it is, that it can effect even people who have no hate in their hearts for women or PoC or queer folk, that it can exist even in people who are themselves women or PoC or queer.

Seriously?

This is refreshing. You sound like a good man. I have been fortunate to know many such. My father was a man who respected women too. It really should not be that difficult.

locker room. It didn't happen often enough to be noticed. High school boys are interested in high school girls. Of course they are. In my day, though, I don't remember that interest being subverted into ugly conversation.

I figured all of that stuff out before I even entered puberty. I was never "grossed out" by girls. They were as interesting as any of my other peers, so I made friends with whoever was around, boys and girls. In doing so, I learned quite a bit. The girls were ahead of the boys in reaching puberty, so I heard from them about the unwanted attention they were getting from older boys and even men.

Then, between age 13 and 14, I grew a foot taller and experienced the full onset of puberty. Awkward and gangly, I sat out age 14 when it came to girls, except to maintain the friendships I had developed. Again, I listened and learned. What I discovered was that the girls my age were pretty much as interested in romance and "fooling around" as the boys. But, I also learned that they didn't want to be grabbed, rushed, whined at, etc.

I started dating when I was 15. I never "went for it" about anything with the girls I dated. I waited. I didn't have to grab anyone and kiss them. If I waited, they'd kiss me or ask why I hadn't kissed them. That way I knew they wanted to do that. The same applied to other sexual experimentation. I just waited until it was clear and obvious from actions that such "fooling around" was also what the other person wanted. All of that seemed to me to be a "no brainer," Why would I want to offend anyone? I was from a small town, and went to a small school. All of the girls I dated had been friends for years. I wasn't stupid.

To me it was trying to get to first base.

This!

They know who they are.

we were told it was all in our heads...hmmm...

... when it comes to Cenk. Or so it seems to me at least. I haven't observed any of them coming forward to speak out against Cenk. I wonder why.

No, actually I don't wonder why. That was rhetorical. I know why... but for obvious reasons, I'm also smart enough to not come right out and say what I'm thinking. Those who know me, and those who share my feelings will understand what I mean and what I'm getting at.

and I agree with you...we all know

most unfortunate.

... whenever I must force myself to remain silent and opinionless (is that even a word) when certain writings are discussed or defended. Yet, I do so anyway to the best of my ability.

Thought -that women should be sex slaves for “the good of society”. I love how they try to cover up their personal failures and pretend they’re not just being lazy selfish fucks.


“In an entry from 2000, Uygur complained about not having enough sex while living in Miami: “It seems like there is a sea of tits here, and I am drinking in tiny droplets. I want to dive into the whole god damn ocean,” he wrote. “Obviously, the genes of women are flawed. They are poorly designed creatures who do not want to have sex nearly as often as needed for the human race to get along peaceably and fruitfully.”’

It's disgusting.

Sorry, guys, women don't owe you shit.

a raging asshat? A narcissistic jerk? A piss poor excuse of a man?

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If you only noticed that during 2016, you weren't paying attention.

But the thing is, they still have their good moments and bad moments.

I'll take the good and leave the bad.

that some other "progressives" used while masquerading as endorsing her.

You could just see the air quotes above their heads, and and the wink that was going out to the haters they didn't want to alienate...

Not everyone was "with Her" and needed to hear pundits bite bullet and endorse anyway.

He’s a pig.

Your views don't correlate to his current views, his videos, his apology, nor his female hosts. Cheers.

The sun is still shining. What hay would you like to make from that?

So the excuse is that he was young and a republican...and calling teenage girls whores in training is just "satire?" He was, what 29...sorry, that's an adult...men don't get to act as if they were kids when they were adults. Being a republican is no excuse for this type of behavior...there are many republicans who would never think of acting like this. And who in the hell thinks hitting of teenage girls is "satire?" I just can handle this.

And more importantly, I do not accept his apology. I do not believe him to be a different now...we all saw how he treated Hillary...that's ingrained sexism at work.

You're defending modern republicans and telling us what they would think? If it quacks like a vendetta, you determine what it is. Sheesh.

Accept his apology or not, your choice. You could have put that in your OP and swatted it away then, but your motivations for your OP are your own. I agreed with his attacks on Hillary in the primaries and when he SUPPORTED her in the general, I agreed then and voted that way, too. Does that not agree with your narrative? Bummer.

I'm not stupid to think that all republicans are like Cenk...

Thanks for telling what I should put in my OP...I'll run it by you the next time, OK? What's up with people thinking they have the right to tell me what to write or how I think. I made it clear in the OP...Cenk is a sexist Pig, and like all the other men who have been busted, their reporting showed their sexism toward Hillary. Some of saw it and we were told it was all in our heads. GOLDWATER GIRL seriously?

Sure. You want me to edit your work? Pay me. You think you have the right to spew your thoughts, but criticize others for doing the same? I read your OP and disagree with it. Anything else?

I guess you could see the sarcasm that was dripping from what I wrote...Fine that you disagree with it, fine that you wrote your opinion, I don't care, and am not offended by it. I take issue that you thought you could tell me what to write...no see that wasn't hard.

I get that this irritates you, but that's really just too bad, I suppose. You are OBVIOUSLY offended or you would have ignored this subthread or put me on ignore by now. I offered you clarity of voice and you claim it's some form of censorship or (as I see downthread) sexist? Hardly. Write what you like and I will do likewise. Now, feel free to be offended. I'll give you a free pass.

How old are you?

Well played. I've followed Cenk and TYT for years and given my efforts to getting money out of politics and supporting independent media. I've seen him grow out of much of his poor opinions. How my age plays into this, I'm not certain ... other than to passively and aggressively attack me through a thinly-veiled assault on my maturity, based on age. Did I miss anything? I EXPLAINED my point of view and yes, I happen to be male. Anything else?

You obviously need it after your nap. Again, anything else? I hope we're done here.

misled outrage.

Uyger is a liberal gem. Anyone not seeing that has another agenda, as evidenced by this fake news.

He is not a liberal gem, he's a sexist pig and always has been...we can see, you know. This isn't misled outrage, this is straight up outrage..I'm sick and tired of men thinking this behavior is OK and when they are busted for it, it's "Oh, I was young"..."It's just satire"..or any other lame excuse to deflect. This is the same asshole who didn't have a problem going after Hillary for every seemingly infraction...I will hold him to a higher standard, because his sexist opinions where used here to beat Hillary and her supporters up. So, don't speak for me. I put in the OP what I thought...I'm perfectly capable of expressing my own outrage.

I know it doesn't fit your narrative. Good luck.

hole in the sand. Thanks for playing.

The relationship between the conservative Louisiana politician and the founder of the progressive media outlet stemmed from both making the removal of money’s influence on politics their signature issues.

they both want to remove "money’s influence on politics".

I don't for one minute think he is 'really' on our side.

By HADAS GOLD 04/16/2014 09:09 AM EDT

"A firm led by former Republican governor and congressman Buddy Roemer is investing millions into The Young Turks Network to significantly increase its content, sales, and platform presence.

The investment of $4 million, with an option to go up to $8 million, came out of a conversation Roemer and The Young Turks Network founder Cenk Uygur had backstage before speaking at a conference about money in politics last year. The relationship between the conservative Louisiana politician and the founder of the progressive media outlet stemmed from both making the removal of money’s influence on politics their signature issues."

Who has a problem with that now that the FACTS are known. Liberals are fact lovers I hear. Not seeing that on this thread.

Where did you hear this stuff about liberals?

Sell it somewhere else.

When I read that crap.

What does that mean?

Including the part from a recent employee who said that's exactly who he is.

And he telegraphs that he thinks this way still to all of us women who are paying attention.

Cenk , ( And others like Ed Schultz etc) used to be conservative well into adulthood- in Cenk's case, he was shamelessly misogynistic in the way he denigrated women who refused to sleep with him.

Fast forward to last year , when Cenk and TYT made a big hullabaloo about Hillary being a Goldwater Girl before she could even fucking vote - no room was given to her evolution during Wellesly. They pinned her a Republican because she happened to have grown up in a household with a domineering Republican father, while ignoring her political journey once she left his roof.

Then, Joy Reid wrote a blog post in 08, for which she apologised, and while the target of her post graciously accepted her apology, taking no offense, she was excoriated by TYT Types.

For a whole fucking week, Rose Twitter, and the usual rabble rousers, called for Reid's show to be cancelled.

Now they're fucking silent because Cenk is in the spotlight, and we're supposed to give him room and "Understand".

Well no, I'm going to enjoy watching him squirm.

Funny how life comes at you fast.

We've all made up our minds before we entered the OP, so whatever. Hillary DID outgrow supporting Republicans, but by the time of her candidacy, that wasn't her problem. TYT felt she was a conservative candidate during the primaries because she was more conservative than Bernie; not because she was raised by a domineering Republican father. And what is a "TYT Type"? Quite the broad brush. Who is "Rose Twitter"?

She and Bernie voted almost identically in the senate.

There was very little difference in what each wanted.

Her differences with Bernie pertained to *how to get those things* - Clinton being a pragmatist as opposed to Bernie -- whatever it is he was doing. It was funny how he saw sense in some of Clinton's positions post election which he denigrated as not going far enough during the primaries. I guess he can wear the moderate hat when it fancies him.

In any case, the attempts to smear her as a republican was ratfucking, and hypocritical given Cenk's own political past.

Who fucking cares, since it wasn't based on misogyny, which is the whole damn point of the OP. No matter which side you come out in the great debate of the 2016 primaries, it was overtly an economic ideas battle and one side was more establishment-based than the other. I listened to Cenk push for Hillary after the primaries, so perhaps you could appreciate his zeal to defeat even what he saw as a greater evil.

Cenk pushed for Hillary at the last minute, after months of ratfucking her - Many of us don't have short or convenient memories.

based on poor judgment from blog posts that have been apologized for and explained in detail. Are we done? I'm fairly certain we've reached an impasse.

and we were in an impasse? - this wasn't about you really.

I'm just enjoying Cenk getting a taste of his own medicine.

Link to tweet

Sorry, I couldn't help it.

Back atcha.

I also don't trust TYT.

I wonder why Franken accusers worked for him so long?

Remember Tina Dupuy — the women who Franken made feel fat because admittedly his-nonsexual grip made her feel fat, and therefore every sexual assault accusation against Al Franken is true?

She was a fill-in host on TYT many times, and is still a contributor. With such an excellent psychic judge of character, Cenk can’t be TOO bad, right?

I am shocked. SHOCKED.

Oh, well. I said some insensitive things about women when I was in high school 43 years ago. That must mean that nothing I say or do now has any value whatever. Guess I'll just head off into the sunset where the useless and damaged people go...