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Anyone know if this is legal? Because if it is, let's join the fun. (Original Post) mainer Dec 2017 OP
I'm smelling a rubber stamp business in someone's future. LOL. Vinca Dec 2017 #1
i will do it. trueblue2007 Dec 2017 #2
I'm in! lastlib Dec 2017 #20
Great idea MFM008 Dec 2017 #3
Apparently it's not illegal to write on currency mainer Dec 2017 #4
"Disfigure" might qualify.....(never mind!) A HERETIC I AM Dec 2017 #6
But the intent is to get it recirculated over and over. notdarkyet Dec 2017 #24
Heck, some bills you get from the bank have that pink shading down one edge. haele Dec 2017 #10
Well, defacement would have to be provable to the original perpetrator. Texin Dec 2017 #29
not illegal, imho. unblock Dec 2017 #5
Here is a political organization the makes stamps for this purpose ProudLib72 Dec 2017 #7
That website makes it pretty clear it's legal. mainer Dec 2017 #17
I visited the site. zanana1 Dec 2017 #32
But those DUers who work as tellers... ProudLib72 Dec 2017 #36
#TrumpTreason...It is.. HipChick Dec 2017 #8
I'll do it, and not just with $20s NastyRiffraff Dec 2017 #9
"W" made me do it! Ernesto Dec 2017 #11
I used to have a stamp that said "Not to be Used to Bribe Politicians" csziggy Dec 2017 #12
BEN & JERRY, or someone should also create a "QUIT HATE & FOX MEDIA" stamp. appalachiablue Dec 2017 #37
I think it's against the law to "deface" money. nt Honeycombe8 Dec 2017 #13
... handmade34 Dec 2017 #19
When I was an armored motor teller a thousand years ago... Laffy Kat Dec 2017 #21
defacing is when the bill is illegible as a bill elmac Dec 2017 #26
After W invaded Iraq xxqqqzme Dec 2017 #14
I spend about $20 per month in cash (the rest is Amex)...good idea though! Lucky Luciano Dec 2017 #15
I am going to handmade34 Dec 2017 #16
Check out Stamp Stampede sweetroxie Dec 2017 #18
Technically illegal. Rarely enforced for something like this. In my opinion, thoroughly juvenile. WillowTree Dec 2017 #22
It's a cheap and effective way to spread a message, and it's not "technically illegal". eggplant Dec 2017 #23
it legal elmac Dec 2017 #25
Not illegal TexasBushwhacker Dec 2017 #27
Defacing a bill would be having his picture on the front. TheCowsCameHome Dec 2017 #28
Used to do it all the time during Bush the Lesser's regime. Go to it! Hekate Dec 2017 #30
Does it matter what color the ink is? Cuz I only have a red Sharpie but I wanna go all in! nt BamaRefugee Dec 2017 #31
even if it is illegal, how could they prove who did it? Motley13 Dec 2017 #33
Other hashtags: tavernier Dec 2017 #34
I saw this version Danascot Dec 2017 #35
Perfection! VOX Dec 2017 #40
Is there a $20.00 bill war going on or something? Henry Krinkle Dec 2017 #41
This message was self-deleted by its author madamvlb Dec 2017 #38
It's illegal if the intent is to make the bill unfit to be reissued. Otherwise it's legal Kablooie Dec 2017 #39
I have a ton of spare fine-point sharpies if anyone needs one! raven mad Dec 2017 #42
Gonna add this drmeow Dec 2017 #43

mainer

(12,022 posts)
4. Apparently it's not illegal to write on currency
Tue Dec 26, 2017, 02:39 PM
Dec 2017

I found the law:

DEFACEMENT OF CURRENCY:
Defacement of currency is a violation of Title 18, Section 333 of the United States Code. Under this provision, currency defacement is generally defined as follows: Whoever mutilates, cuts, disfigures, perforates, unites or cements together, or does any other thing to any bank bill, draft, note, or other evidence of debt issued by any national banking association, Federal Reserve Bank, or Federal Reserve System, with intent to render such item(s) unfit to be reissued, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than six months, or both.

Writing doesn't seem to be included in the definition of defacement.

A HERETIC I AM

(24,372 posts)
6. "Disfigure" might qualify.....(never mind!)
Tue Dec 26, 2017, 02:45 PM
Dec 2017

Never mind because of this sentence fragment;

"with intent to render such item(s) unfit to be reissued"

haele

(12,663 posts)
10. Heck, some bills you get from the bank have that pink shading down one edge.
Tue Dec 26, 2017, 02:57 PM
Dec 2017

And they're perfectly legal for trade and re-ssue.
Not to mention all those "Where's George" bills that you can track online, or bills with phone numbers or bible text written on them that you might get anywhere - even from an official bank teller or ATM.

When our puppy of happy memory ate about $50 in various denominations my daughter was saving up for purchases at ComiCon a decade or so back, I spent a week recovering them, soaking them in bleach, and taping them back together (mostly - I think we still ended up with one bill that was only 5/6th complete) to take to the bank for replacement. Since we didn't want to re-issue, after a good laugh, the bank manager gave us replacement bills. The old bills were put in the send-out-for-burning bag.

Haele

Texin

(2,596 posts)
29. Well, defacement would have to be provable to the original perpetrator.
Tue Dec 26, 2017, 05:05 PM
Dec 2017

Pretty hard to do unless someone within the U.S. Treasury law enforcement actually witnessed a person in the act. The law may exist, but it's pretty toothless.

unblock

(52,277 posts)
5. not illegal, imho.
Tue Dec 26, 2017, 02:42 PM
Dec 2017

not a lawyer, but i believe defacing currency is only illegal if it's done in an attempt to defraud, e.g., make a $1 bill look like a $100 bill.

NastyRiffraff

(12,448 posts)
9. I'll do it, and not just with $20s
Tue Dec 26, 2017, 02:57 PM
Dec 2017

Smaller bills stand a better chance of Trumpsters getting them as change, and making them sad.

csziggy

(34,136 posts)
12. I used to have a stamp that said "Not to be Used to Bribe Politicians"
Tue Dec 26, 2017, 02:58 PM
Dec 2017

It was intended to stamp that in red ink on US currency. I gave it to our team leader last year during the campaign - he loved it!

Here is where it came from - they have various stamps: https://www.stampstampede.org/

It was started by Ben Cohen of Ben & Jerry's!

appalachiablue

(41,159 posts)
37. BEN & JERRY, or someone should also create a "QUIT HATE & FOX MEDIA" stamp.
Tue Dec 26, 2017, 05:56 PM
Dec 2017

"The Brainwashing of My Dad" documentary (2016) shows how filmmaker Jen Senko and family managed to rebalance her father who'd become an obsessed Fox follower for years, to the exclusion of all other news. Well done film.

It's a major challenge discussed often. Overcoming hardened attachment to decades of widespread and free extreme RW outlets, also connecting people and places to alternate credible news sources. The loss of Net Neutrality is now another obstacle. But serious effort and resources are needed somehow, absolutely.

http://www.thebrainwashingofmydad.com/


handmade34

(22,756 posts)
19. ...
Tue Dec 26, 2017, 04:07 PM
Dec 2017
It’s legal to stamp political messages on US currency. Many people assume that it’s illegal to stamp or write on paper currency at all, but that’s not the case. There’s a provision in the law that states it’s only illegal to deface currency “with the intent to render the bill unfit to be reissued.” Because we want these bills to stay in circulation, it’s legal. We’re lucky because the U.S. is actually one of the only countries with language like that.


https://www.stampstampede.org/faq/

and many ways to use bills so that there is no way to track who spent it

Laffy Kat

(16,385 posts)
21. When I was an armored motor teller a thousand years ago...
Tue Dec 26, 2017, 04:13 PM
Dec 2017

We handled large deposits from stores, etc., and we routinely wrote on the top of what ever stack we'd just counted, noting the amount. For instance we counted $125 of five-dollar bills, we'd write 125 on top of that stack. Everyone did it. We were never told not to.

 

elmac

(4,642 posts)
26. defacing is when the bill is illegible as a bill
Tue Dec 26, 2017, 04:52 PM
Dec 2017

which would take a lot of writing. I would keep it in the boarder areas.

xxqqqzme

(14,887 posts)
14. After W invaded Iraq
Tue Dec 26, 2017, 03:48 PM
Dec 2017

I wrote the date and casualty numbers on all currency passing through my wallet.

eggplant

(3,912 posts)
23. It's a cheap and effective way to spread a message, and it's not "technically illegal".
Tue Dec 26, 2017, 04:28 PM
Dec 2017

As others have said, https://www.stampstampede.org/faq/yes-its-legal/

If you feel it is juvenile, that's your prerogative. But don't spread misinformation. If it really is "technically illegal", please provide a reference to demonstrate such.

TexasBushwhacker

(20,208 posts)
27. Not illegal
Tue Dec 26, 2017, 04:53 PM
Dec 2017

I was a manager at a movie theater in the 90s that was cash only. I had to hand count piles of money every night. I saw " gay money", "black money" etc frequently.

tavernier

(12,394 posts)
34. Other hashtags:
Tue Dec 26, 2017, 05:27 PM
Dec 2017

#get it before it goes in Trump’s bank
#our money, not for Congress
#my last $20, Trump got the rest

 

Henry Krinkle

(208 posts)
41. Is there a $20.00 bill war going on or something?
Tue Dec 26, 2017, 08:13 PM
Dec 2017

RW types are taking 20's and writing "President Trump Lives Here" on the back (there's even
a rubber stamp for it).

Whole idea seems kind of pointless since no one really looks at the back of bills anyways.

Response to mainer (Original post)

Kablooie

(18,637 posts)
39. It's illegal if the intent is to make the bill unfit to be reissued. Otherwise it's legal
Tue Dec 26, 2017, 06:34 PM
Dec 2017

18 U.S. Code § 333 - Mutilation of national bank obligations

Whoever mutilates, cuts, defaces, disfigures, or perforates, or unites or cements together, or does any other thing to any bank bill, draft, note, or other evidence of debt issued by any national banking association, or Federal Reserve bank, or the Federal Reserve System, with intent to render such bank bill, draft, note, or other evidence of debt unfit to be reissued, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than six months, or both.

drmeow

(5,022 posts)
43. Gonna add this
Wed Dec 27, 2017, 01:23 AM
Dec 2017

To my crossing out the words "In God We Trust" and writing "Harriet Tubman" (that one just on 20's)!

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