and any republicans we hope to vote to remove *definitely* need to be seen as very reluctantly going along based on overwhelming evidence.

just because nadler and other democrats in congress are *now* saying they're not eager doesn't mean it won't happen.

the dynamic changes after mueller released more indictments and evidence and testimony emerges.

our congresspeople need to be seen as forced into this by a media and public outraged by the facts and evidence of crimes.

Your analogy to Clinton is pretty correct; the Clinton impeachment was nothing so much as sore-loserdom writ large. They couldn't get him out of office any other way, and the ridiculous impeachment spectacle debased our political system so badly it led to the second President Bush and President Trump. But the Republicans knew all along they weren't going to get a removal vote in the Senate; they didn't even get a majority vote on any of their articles.

But it played to their hyperpartisan base. Just like their eternal posturing on abortion and firearm regulation and their soon to be eternal posturing on same sex marriage, Republicans have their pet issues that keep the faithful faithful.

Trump should be impeached and removed from office. But it will have to be a true groundswell, an irresistible tide of facts, testimony, and evidence that will be carried by public opinion, before Congress will act. The Nixon example is instructive. Nixon was holding fast to the presidency for months, even as the daily revelations of the Watergate hearings poured out ever more lurid details of the administration's wrong-doing. It seemed like it would never end. Than the June 23, 1972 tape was released, providing the "smoking gun" that Nixon was indeed up to his beady little eyeballs in Watergate, and had been so from the get-go. It took just four days from the release of that tape until Nixon's resignation.

I don't see Trump resigning. He'll have to be pried out of the Oval Office like a chicken nugget wedged in the bottom of the box. But once the articles of impeachment are drawn up, it will be when the case for removal is so clear that even the likes of Orrin Hatch and Devin Nunes can no longer deny it.

By investigation and impeachment proceedings on basically trivial, confusing, and charges, the bar for High Crimes was lowered to misdemeanor. Treason is now the same as lying about about an admittedly improper consensual blow job for the general public.

Haele

The political landscape has been seared over as with a hot branding iron (as the good book says), and we have trouble delineating degrees of right and wrong. That's why it's the vox populi which has to lead the political consensus. Clearly the administration will minimize everything it has done wrong, but we have to be that consistent voice for norms and ethics. We can't let the media get away with their well-cultivated "both sides" shrug any longer. We also need to show Democrats that we have their back, and will support their efforts when they move in the right direction.

Nixon opened China and gave us the EPA. He had the potential to be one of our greatest presidents, but he blew it. Big time. And the whole nation knew it. Republicans agreed he had to go, and showed him the door to avoid impeachment.

The narcissist-in-chief is nowhere in any league with Nixon. He is merely a fool with no direction or talent. He could be impeached if he does something more idiotic and horrific than he has so far, but better we just get a Democratic Congress next year and control him.

At this point, he has some uncanny control over Congressional Republicans and the deep split between the parties means nothing but trouble.

that killed over 5,000 Americans, wounded and physiologically ruined 1,000's more, and killed over 100,000 innocent Iraqi civilians, but impeachment was "Off the Table."

All indications are that the Trump campaign knowingly and deliberately colluded with a former high official in the KGB and current dictator of Russia, one Vladimir Putin.

If these aren't worthy of impeachment, let's just amend the constitution and get rid of the impeachment process because It's just too darn hard to do politically.

GIVE ME A BREAK!!

Just sayin...knowing the crime is going on isn’t enough. Being able to successfully prosecute is a whole other thing.

along with not pursuing war crimes, told the Republicans there are no consequences for their actions.

They became even more embolden!

And give him another 4 years...