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kentuck

(111,106 posts)
Tue Dec 26, 2017, 06:57 PM Dec 2017

Are Republicans ignorant or complicit?

Do they simply not understand the seriousness of a foreign country manipulating our elections and perhaps, the Republican Party assisting them to do so?

Or are they aware of what has most likely happened and they have consciously decided to cover up the crime and to obstruct the process of justice, being complicit with a treasonous act?

Where do most Republicans fall on this scale?

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Are Republicans ignorant or complicit? (Original Post) kentuck Dec 2017 OP
Complicit. roamer65 Dec 2017 #1
27 HOUSE GOP plus the speaker underthematrix Dec 2017 #2
Sounds about right. byronius Dec 2017 #15
Why only 27 and 7? pangaia Dec 2017 #16
Most are ignorant but an Influential few are of a criminal bent. Sneederbunk Dec 2017 #3
Yes. elleng Dec 2017 #4
Both Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Dec 2017 #5
Whatever works in their favor, they like it gratuitous Dec 2017 #6
The terms are not mutually exclusive. intheozone Dec 2017 #7
some are ignorant, some are complicit and those that count are activists. TexasProgresive Dec 2017 #8
Complicit co-conspirators and profiteers C_U_L8R Dec 2017 #9
The top leadership is most likely complicit. Caliman73 Dec 2017 #10
Complicit. And, ignorant, too. nt jrthin Dec 2017 #11
Party above all else. lpbk2713 Dec 2017 #12
From another thread - they are conditioned underpants Dec 2017 #13
That's it Awsi Dooger Dec 2017 #17
110% complicit. Initech Dec 2017 #14
Complicit uponit7771 Dec 2017 #18

gratuitous

(82,849 posts)
6. Whatever works in their favor, they like it
Tue Dec 26, 2017, 07:03 PM
Dec 2017

So I'm going to go with complicit. When this reckless course of action turns back on them - and it will - then they'll be in high dudgeon about foreign influence in our political system, and their media mouthpieces will all affect to bafflement about how such a horrid thing had come to pass.

C_U_L8R

(45,014 posts)
9. Complicit co-conspirators and profiteers
Tue Dec 26, 2017, 07:04 PM
Dec 2017

Even if some Republicans aren't in on the planning, they sure are facilitating and taking all the profits they can grab... while the grabbings good. A more precise name would be Traitors.

Caliman73

(11,742 posts)
10. The top leadership is most likely complicit.
Tue Dec 26, 2017, 07:05 PM
Dec 2017

They have to know that what Trump and his transition team had been up to during the election. WHile I would not go as far as to say that they were involved with the conspiracy itself, they certainly have been active in trying to deflect what has been found out. Republicans know that they cannot win without some kind of voter suppression effort, or other methods that are outside the bounds of ethics, and likely the law. However, because Republicans control much of the governing apparatus, they set policy and have brought those practices into the letter of legality. My guess it that they accepted the help and turned a blind eye deliberately. However, Trump's team is so ham handed and arrogant that they have brought the whole thing out into the forefront and now the Republican party is caught up trying to separate themselves from their chosen candidate, but at the same time, block and obstruct the process by which all of the information is known.

There are certainly a few Republican leaders (Devin Nunes, Paul Ryan, Mitch McConnell, etc...) who have more knowledge about the situation. I would imagine that Nunes is up to his neck in the plan while Ryan and McConnell are knee to waist deep. Any person who was in congress, who was tapped to be in the administration also likely knows what happened. Haley, Pompeo, Sessions, Pence, etc... know what is going on.

The rest of the congress is likely just being tribal and trying to hold on with their fingernails.

underpants

(182,860 posts)
13. From another thread - they are conditioned
Tue Dec 26, 2017, 07:13 PM
Dec 2017
https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1016&pid=198801

You could try to express how you are concerned about the same problems but then they want to hear the end of the song they've heard 1,000 times "it's the liberal media/Washington's fault". That's it, they just want to hear the greatest hits. They were conditioned this way well before Trump was actually a candidate. Look at the 2012 primaries - their "debates" could have simply been hands up hands down on each issue - get one wrong and you are done. Ironically, think "THE HOOK" at Amateur Night at the Apollo. When Rick Perry forgot the third Department to get rid of Ron Paul and someone else just looked down and read from their prepared notes.

Bring up the obvious - the corporate media and corporations basically wanting to dismantled the state and you've lost them. It's not that they disagree (they've had very little exposure to even these ideas) they just want to hear the same song or punch line again. The parallel to wrestling catch phrases is hard to miss ---- Trump basically ran a wrestling campaign.
 

Awsi Dooger

(14,565 posts)
17. That's it
Tue Dec 26, 2017, 09:19 PM
Dec 2017

All my conservative friends own the same two or three sentences of political information: They hate government and taxes. They love guns and fear. Some will admit to bigotry and some vehemently deny it, but when a related situation shows up they all react like bigots. All that fear is unleashed.

Trump was the perfect vehicle for them. He indeed was like a wrestling promoter or character...high decibel over the top fear but conservatives somehow view it as tough and patriotic and just.

Younger people are more immune to the fear. That's where our opportunity is. We should be pushing registration drives every day. One of the reasons that Republicans are so scared of CNN but don't really care about MSNBC is that the CNN audience skews younger than either MSNBC or Fox News, and not by a minor amount. It's something like 5-7 years on average every time I check. Republicans may be wrong on every issue but they do know the basic math. They needed whites to participate in higher numbers so they targeted that block with all the fake news and fear. Now they know they can't afford to continue to bleed support among young voters and first time registrants so they have to try to discredit CNN every day.

Initech

(100,096 posts)
14. 110% complicit.
Tue Dec 26, 2017, 07:26 PM
Dec 2017

They knew about this whole damn thing from the beginning, and I think Mueller is going to find that they are all in on it. It was a concentrated effort to take down Hillary, and the whole party was in on it. They are guilty.

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