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orangecrush

(19,586 posts)
Tue Dec 26, 2017, 07:30 PM Dec 2017

Russia ACTIVELY WORKING TO DISCREDIT MUELLER

Last edited Tue Dec 26, 2017, 08:34 PM - Edit history (1)

"Russian meddling in the 2016 election was apparently just the prequel.

Now America’s former Cold War rival is using social media to undermine special counsel Robert Mueller’s probe, a former CIA official and a former Republican congressman said Monday night.


Michael Morell, who ran the CIA, and Michael Rogers, former chairman of the House Intelligence Committee, wrote in an op-ed in The Washington Post that Russia is still busy using its social media tools to create doubt across the U.S. about Mueller’s integrity.


“There is a perception among the media and general public that Russia ended its social media operations following last year’s election and that we need worry only about future elections,” the pair wrote. “But that perception is wrong. Russia’s information operations in the United States continued after the election, and they continue to this day.

During one week in early December, for example, roughly 20 percent of the activity from accounts tied to Russian intelligence for propaganda was focused on undermining faith in Mueller’s investigation into potential collusion between Russia and the successful campaign of Donald Trump, according to research by The Alliance for Securing Democracy."

http://www.newsweek.com/russia-wants-americans-doubt-mueller-experts-warn-759195


This is a nightmare.


EDIT - THEY ARE COVERING THIS ON MSNBC RIGHT NOW 19:30 EST


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Russia ACTIVELY WORKING TO DISCREDIT MUELLER (Original Post) orangecrush Dec 2017 OP
Fuck Putin. roamer65 Dec 2017 #1
+1 orangecrush Dec 2017 #4
...and the orange shitgibbon he rode in on. dchill Dec 2017 #40
I can no longer tell the difference between Republicans and Russians Skittles Dec 2017 #2
Yup, because they are both fascist scum. roamer65 Dec 2017 #3
this would have been unheard off orangecrush Dec 2017 #6
Its due to the Russian flip from communism to fascism. roamer65 Dec 2017 #8
I am familiar orangecrush Dec 2017 #10
Yes. Explains a lot. EOM elfin Dec 2017 #30
Russians speak several languages, including semi-fluent English 0rganism Dec 2017 #19
republicans are led by limbaugh and putin may have been using talk radio for a decade certainot Dec 2017 #45
With the help of Americans - GOPs Iliyah Dec 2017 #5
it's confirmed now orangecrush Dec 2017 #7
and with Trump at the helm iluvtennis Dec 2017 #26
The Fox orangecrush Dec 2017 #27
Ive told this story before, but worth repeating: tavernier Dec 2017 #9
Extraordinary post orangecrush Dec 2017 #11
Added to it. tavernier Dec 2017 #16
Read it and agree completely orangecrush Dec 2017 #18
Thank you for re-telling this 2naSalit Dec 2017 #14
Who is surprised by this? 2naSalit Dec 2017 #12
trump adm hasn't lifted one finger to deter russia spanone Dec 2017 #13
The bot storms are obvious. They were trying to drown out specific news reports. L. Coyote Dec 2017 #15
Thanks! orangecrush Dec 2017 #17
This is a nightmare. XRubicon Dec 2017 #20
covering this story on MSNBC right now! orangecrush Dec 2017 #21
Facebook and Twitter are weapons of mass destruction and should be... LuckyCharms Dec 2017 #22
they need to do something orangecrush Dec 2017 #23
Hitler would approve of this idea, purging free speech. L. Coyote Dec 2017 #24
I don't view targeted PSYOP programs by foreign entities as "free speech". n/t LuckyCharms Dec 2017 #33
Then say that instead your Hitleresque idea of purging democracy of my right to speak. L. Coyote Dec 2017 #38
Uh, how do I say this politely? LuckyCharms Dec 2017 #39
You said Fb and Tw should be shut down. That would silence me too. L. Coyote Dec 2017 #41
I implied that it should be shut down until... LuckyCharms Dec 2017 #42
Uh, how do I say this politely? L. Coyote Dec 2017 #43
Ok. Have a nice evening. n/t LuckyCharms Dec 2017 #44
Even though I'm an active Twitter user..I would support shutting it down until controlled procedures iluvtennis Dec 2017 #29
Yes, we must control the minds of the masses...... parkerMcDavis Dec 2017 #36
Welcome to DU LuckyCharms Dec 2017 #37
+1 Maven Dec 2017 #34
I don't think it will stick... paleotn Dec 2017 #25
Agree orangecrush Dec 2017 #49
Of course they are. Is this news to any of us here? Amaryllis Dec 2017 #28
Some people here get the memo while we are still asleep. n/t rzemanfl Dec 2017 #35
We can counter this by disseminating his military record Orange Free State Dec 2017 #31
And matt819 Dec 2017 #32
Questioning trump duforsure Dec 2017 #46
I think a lot of what I thought was RepubliCON troll activity was really Putin troll activity Farmer-Rick Dec 2017 #47
I think if the real far left had an inkling orangecrush Dec 2017 #50
at this point I dont even blame putin anymore AlexSFCA Dec 2017 #48
We could have predicted that they would go after Mueller. I'm sure the FBI was expecting it. Nitram Dec 2017 #51
the attack from within orangecrush Dec 2017 #52

orangecrush

(19,586 posts)
6. this would have been unheard off
Tue Dec 26, 2017, 07:38 PM
Dec 2017

during thd cold war.

It was always the repubs accusing the democrats of being "soft on russia".

Now they are actively working with russia to undermine the west.

roamer65

(36,745 posts)
8. Its due to the Russian flip from communism to fascism.
Tue Dec 26, 2017, 07:44 PM
Dec 2017

Russia has flipped from far left to far right.

Repukes have always been fascists at their core. The America First movement in the 1930’s was proof of it.

orangecrush

(19,586 posts)
10. I am familiar
Tue Dec 26, 2017, 08:03 PM
Dec 2017

with the "America First" traitors.

They just never quit, and we have to keep fighting them over and over again.

 

certainot

(9,090 posts)
45. republicans are led by limbaugh and putin may have been using talk radio for a decade
Tue Dec 26, 2017, 10:02 PM
Dec 2017

trump guy sam nunbers told gabriel sherman for the 4/3/2016 piece on the trump campaign in new york magazine that he "listened to 1000s of hours of talk radio" to prep for their campaign.

who told them to do that and was it a way to coordinate with the russians, especially if they found a way to feed limbaugh and other talk radio gods.

tavernier

(12,394 posts)
9. Ive told this story before, but worth repeating:
Tue Dec 26, 2017, 08:03 PM
Dec 2017

I’m of Latvian heritage. When I last visited, several years ago, my relatives warned me of Putin. His fingers were in everything. When the Latvians wanted to lay flowers at the base of their Statue in Riga (much like our Statue of Liberty) in remembrance of a special anniversary, suddenly scaffolds were erected overnight by Russia workers... “to complete necessary work on the structure”.

In those days it was nuisance and bullshit, but the Latvians knew who was behind it and that it would get worse. If I thought for a moment that it was paranoia, I soon learned better. Cemetery stones of war heroes were being desecrated at night, with chunks of stone chipped out of the names with bullets.

In my fifties at that time, a life long citizen of America, I was still naive, despite being the first off the boat from parents who had escaped Stalin’s reign and treachery.

We here forget. They have never forgotten, because it has never ended.

He is coming for the Baltics, and if you don’t believe it, you may as well believe the BS of trump and the KGOP in the New Year.

tavernier

(12,394 posts)
16. Added to it.
Tue Dec 26, 2017, 08:18 PM
Dec 2017

Hope you see it.

Thanks for the hat tip. My family lost so much to those monsters (my grandparents never saw their son or their home or country again), and I’ll never forget their pain.

If I can spare that for anyone...

2naSalit

(86,703 posts)
12. Who is surprised by this?
Tue Dec 26, 2017, 08:05 PM
Dec 2017

We should be used to the drill by now and we need to and lose the hysteria and stay active. We 're starting to look like fish in a bowl who are surprised by the castle every time it comes around! Sheesh.

L. Coyote

(51,129 posts)
15. The bot storms are obvious. They were trying to drown out specific news reports.
Tue Dec 26, 2017, 08:14 PM
Dec 2017
My OP from:
THREAD regarding: FBI used the Steele dossier to get FISAs



3. (It's worth noting in that previous article that Steele apparently believed that there was a cabal in the FBI *preventing* the dossier from reaching the top, and it also suggests that he contacted @DavidCornDC about its contents. But I'll let reporters sort out those details.)


6. The DOJ lawyers who help prepare the FISA applications take this VERY seriously. Like, even if you had a common-knowledge assertion, like "Country X is a state-sponsor of terrorism," they make you include a cite (preferably two) supporting it. They want every fact airtight.

7. The Steele dossier is "raw intelligence." It contains reporting from third party sources -- meaning it is basically hearsay. So the FBI can't just staple the dossier to a cover sheet that says "GIVE ME A FISA" and be done with it.

8. To use any or all of the dossier, the FBI would have to provide independent verification and corroboration of each fact that would be included in the application. This could mean first-hand witness statements, actual recordings from electronic surveillance, etc.

9. In other words, if the FBI *did* use the contents of the dossier to obtain a FISA, then by definition those contents are true, corroborated, and independently verifiable. Remember that the application is presented to an Article III judge -- a judicial check -- before granted.

10. This does not seem like the road Trump supporters want to be going down...and yet they are. It's so bizarre. And to underscore: To claim that this was a huge conspiracy is ALSO directly implicating members of the judiciary (who could be Republican appointees) without basis.

P.S. In tweet #2 *he* refers to Steele -- I was cutting down this sentence to fit and omitted him as the original referent



Here's my screen capture of the bots attacking McCabe and suppressing the story that he confirms Comey's statements.

orangecrush

(19,586 posts)
17. Thanks!
Tue Dec 26, 2017, 08:19 PM
Dec 2017

We can and will fight back!

Just by hammering the truth every time we speak we are fighting them.

LuckyCharms

(17,450 posts)
22. Facebook and Twitter are weapons of mass destruction and should be...
Tue Dec 26, 2017, 08:37 PM
Dec 2017

shut down until they have firm procedures in place to eliminate political propaganda. Yes, I'm serious.

L. Coyote

(51,129 posts)
41. You said Fb and Tw should be shut down. That would silence me too.
Tue Dec 26, 2017, 09:47 PM
Dec 2017

And all the voices of the Resistance.

iluvtennis

(19,864 posts)
29. Even though I'm an active Twitter user..I would support shutting it down until controlled procedures
Tue Dec 26, 2017, 09:22 PM
Dec 2017

are in place

paleotn

(17,937 posts)
25. I don't think it will stick...
Tue Dec 26, 2017, 09:07 PM
Dec 2017

spreading disinformation against the Dems was relatively easy. However, most people, including right wing nut jobs, revere the FBI. Right wingers love law enforcement no matter what they do, and the FBI are the epitome of law enforcement in the US. The only minds I see them swaying are the 20 to 25% of shit gibbon, true believers. Beyond that, it's a tough row to hoe.

Orange Free State

(611 posts)
31. We can counter this by disseminating his military record
Tue Dec 26, 2017, 09:26 PM
Dec 2017
http://taskandpurpose.com/robert-mueller-marine-vietnam-leadership/

I encourage all to repost this.

Would be interesting to contrast Mueller’s record vs that of leading Repukes. Trump, bone spurs that miraculously went away later. Limpbaugh, infected anus or something. Many many deferments among them.

duforsure

(11,885 posts)
46. Questioning trump
Tue Dec 26, 2017, 10:16 PM
Dec 2017

And all his russian KGOP with why are they still allowing them to continue cyber attacking us right now? Stick to this one question over and over again on all the shows, the hosts should attack back at them why after a year they're allowing this to happen if they're not involved with Putin, and why they haven't stopped them, and push back why they're helping russians attack Mueller, or if they are colluding with Putin and trump too. All questions to trump should become this way to, if your not colluding with putin why haven't you gotten their cyber attacking to stop, and why are you allowing them to continue to do this for you?

Farmer-Rick

(10,197 posts)
47. I think a lot of what I thought was RepubliCON troll activity was really Putin troll activity
Tue Dec 26, 2017, 11:57 PM
Dec 2017

And they are infesting many of the left wing sites, not to mention that they are just swarming all over right wing sites.

I don't use Facebook, twitter or those other social sites, but I visit a lot of left wing sites and the frequent use of the words "deep state" in a derogatory statement tells me the Putin trolls are marching,

orangecrush

(19,586 posts)
50. I think if the real far left had an inkling
Wed Dec 27, 2017, 02:29 PM
Dec 2017

of what Putin's end goal is, they would stop buying into his propaganda.

AlexSFCA

(6,139 posts)
48. at this point I dont even blame putin anymore
Wed Dec 27, 2017, 02:29 AM
Dec 2017

it’s all on Americans now, namely GOP AND the people who did not and continue to not vote or irresponsibly trashing their votes. We still have freedom of press but millions are willing to deny themselves such right and listen only to faux news. We live in a country with the world’s brightest and the world’s dumbest minds.

This is how cold war works, US and Russia both try to undermine each other by any means possible. Putin would have never ever succeeded without active help from within US government, aka present day GOP and its massive propaganda arms.

Putin is an evil genius fighting against democracy across the globe by using the most western tools of all - freedom of press. Make no mistake he has zero interest in being an ally to the US with trump. The end goal is bring down US democracy, making it a failed state with autoritarian regime. This will neccesiate second great depression and collosal devaluation of US dollar as valuable currency. How? Butcoin may be just the beginning.

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