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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsObama stopped short of a veto threat on anti-LGBT provisions of NDAA.
But he objected to them, and they were removed before he signed it. Also, everything he threatened a veto over?
...We'll get there. Caution: lots to read below, and none of it particularly inflammatory. Sorry.
Flashback to May 24, 2011: the President issues his Statement of Administration Policy on NDAA, outlining objections to the bill. PDF
H.R. 1540 National Defense Authorization Act for FY 2012
(snip)
Military Regulations Regarding Marriage: The Administration strongly objects to sections 534 and 535, believes that section 3 of the so-called Defense of Marriage Act (DOMA) is discriminatory, and supports DOMAs repeal.
Sections 534 and 535 read:
Congress reaffirms the policy of section 3 of the Defense of Marriage Act, codified as section 7 of title 1, United States Code. In determining the meaning of any Act of Congress, or of any ruling, regulation, or interpretation of the Department of Defense applicable to members of the Armed Forces or civilian employees of the Department of Defense, the word `marriage' means only a legal union between one man and one woman as husband and wife, and the word `spouse' refers only to a person of the opposite sex who is a husband or a wife.
SEC. 535. USE OF MILITARY INSTALLATIONS AS SITE FOR MARRIAGE CEREMONIES AND PARTICIPATION OF CHAPLAINS AND OTHER MILITARY AND CIVILIAN PERSONNEL IN THEIR OFFICIAL CAPACITY.
(a) Limitation on Use- A military installation or other property under the jurisdiction of the Department of Defense may be used as the site for a marriage ceremony only if the marriage complies with the definition of marriage in section 7 of title 1, United States Code.
(b) Limitation on Participation- A member of the Armed Forces, including a chaplain, or civilian employee of the Department of Defense acting in an official capacity may assist in or perform a marriage ceremony only if the marriage complies with the definition of marriage in section 7 of title 1, United States Code.
These sections did not survive. Note: there was no veto threat, simply an objection.
Another objection made by this administration in May:
Section 533 read:
Effective as of December 22, 2010, and as if included therein as enacted, section 2(b) of Public Law 111-321 (124 Stat. 3516) is amended by adding at the end the following new paragraph:
`(3) The Chief of Staff of the Army, the Chief of Naval Operations, the Commandant of the Marine Corps, and the Chief of Staff of the Air Force each submit to the congressional defense committees the officer's written certification that repeal of section 654 of title 10, United States Code, will not degrade the readiness, effectiveness, cohesion, and morale of combat arms units and personnel of the Armed Force under the officer's jurisdiction engaged in combat, deployed to a combat theater, or preparing for deployment to a combat theater.'.
This section also did not survive. Note: again, there was no veto threat, simply an objection.
But what of this "promise to veto NDAA" everyone's talking about?? Where were the veto threats? Great question. Let's look, there were three:
Classic "inside baseball" DoD stuff. Lots to read on DU about it, but ultimately: This section also did not survive.
Next up:
By now you know what's coming: These sections did not survive.
Here's the "big one" on DU at the moment:
So Section 1034's confusing "re-affirmation" of AUMF (which some, including clearly the President, believe was defanged by its own section (d) Senate amendment), the certification requirement in Section 1040 (gone), the new review system in Section 1036 (gone), and the re-shuffling of Section 1042 (gone). Those were the objections.
This post is too long by far already, so I'll stop here for now. But there's the new (to me, at least) story of some good done on DADT and DOMA matters, and the meat behind the notion of "Obama promised to veto NDAA."
liberalmuse
(18,672 posts)I am an avid Obama supporter - and that has only happened over time, after much scrutinization. Was he my first choice for President? Hell no! I'm very liberal - I wanted Kucinich. Like many here, I've also been critical and disillusioned with him - so I really do understand where people are coming from. However, I've been on this planet for 48 years. I've seen a lot of shit. I've noted how the system works, and I'm definitely not blind or a kool-aid drinker, though if you want to believe that, you are more than welcome - no judgement.
You know what? I honestly believe that Barack Hussein Obama is a good man. He is doing the best he can, being human and all. With a LOT of criticism from the right - AND the left. So therefore, I will give him and his administration the benefit of a doubt. I truly believe he is doing his best with the shit he's got to deal with. When I get frustrated that he's not moving fast enough, or going Harry Truman on some asses (Harry Truman was in the Congress for MANY years and made many connections - he had more support than Obama will ever have - the "young" upstart who went from obscurity to President in FOUR FUCKING YEARS - don't think for one second there isn't a shitload of resentment amongst members of Congress towards this particular rising star.)
So - one baby step at a time. I don't think we could afford the Bush years, or the Reagan years, for that matter, but at this point in time, I will take what I can get. And President Obama IS moving us forward, even though it might not be as quickly as we want or need. A Republican President will only move us backwards.
Pirate Smile
(27,617 posts)Spazito
(50,400 posts)thanks for doing the work to get the actual facts out on this issue.
Recommended.
Robb
(39,665 posts)Yes, it seems that one needs to put "Fuck that shit...." in the header and then intersperse "Fuck" at various points in the body.
Hmmmm, one could actually have a header "Count the number of times "Fuck" is in this OP, then people might actually read some of it, lol.
Fearless
(18,421 posts)dionysus
(26,467 posts)Fearless
(18,421 posts)Robb
(39,665 posts)I can imagine all of them shuddering about the 24/7 headlines about Obama threatening to shut down the armed forces because of the "gay agenda." God forbid we have a decent civil rights discourse in this country around this issue.
But you're right, it was probably advisers thinking first to protect the President, rather than thinking what would be best for the country -- especially knowing it could be a big enough issue to last through to the election. Weak sauce, by that measure.
Although. Only a handful of objections, and these were among them. I was happy to find them there, although I'd have been happier to find them among the veto threats.
Most important, though, was that they didn't find their way into law. Had Obama signed anything that delayed DADT or supported DOMA I'd have been much more disappointed. He protested, and got his way: the right way.
SomethingFishy
(4,876 posts)People who haven't read the bill have a lot of nerve supporting it when they don't know what is in it
I took 5 days to read the entire bill. It's a goddamn paean to perpetual war.
There are issues. Issues with Missile Defense, The War on Drugs, Sci Fi weapons like Rail Guns, Military tech in the hands of police, I could go on, but there is no point. There is not a single supporter of this bill on DU who actually knows what is in it. If there is then let him or her come forward for a reasonable debate on the merits of NDAA. This is only like the 500th time I've asked.
So please tell me you are the one, that you are the person who is supporting this legislation because you actually read it. Start a thread and we can talk about what is actually in it, not what was removed, not who voted for it, but what is actually in the bill.
Robb
(39,665 posts)Tons there. I'm in the middle of this one: http://www.lawfareblog.com/2011/12/house-senate-side-by-side-of-ndaa-provisions-part-i/