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This is a video that claims that James Watson and Francis Crick were able to come up with the structure of DNA after seeing a picture of DNA, which had been take by Rosalind Franklin. If this information is true, should James Watson and Francis Crick have their Nobel Prize taken from them? In addition, should history and science books be rewritten to give credit for the discovery of the structure of DNA to Rosalind Franklin?
WhiskeyGrinder
(22,404 posts)were awarded it. Science and history books could definitely do a better job of telling her story, of course.
dalton99a
(81,568 posts)"No appeals may be made" - it's in the Nobel Foundation statutes
Ken Burch
(50,254 posts)It might be worth applying public pressure.
A campaign demanding the Nobel Foundation apologize for excluding Ms. Franklin might well succeed, especially after all those post-Nobel interviews where Watson made an arrogant, bigoted ass of himself.
dalton99a
(81,568 posts)Here is the current version:
§ 10.
No appeals may be made against the decision of a prize-awarding body with regard to the award of a prize.
Proposals received for the award of a prize, and investigations and opinions concerning the award of a prize, may not be divulged. Should divergent opinions have been expressed in connection with the decision of a prize-awarding body concerning the award of a prize, this may not be included in the record or otherwise divulged.
A prize-awarding body may, however, after due consideration in each individual case, permit access to material which formed the basis for the evaluation and decision concerning a prize, for purposes of research in intellectual history. Such permission may not, however, be granted until at least 50 years have elapsed after the date on which the decision in question was made.
§ 22.
Questions regarding amendment of these Statutes may be raised by any prize-awarding body, by their trustees or by the Board. In respect of proposals advanced by a prize-awarding body or by the Board, the trustees shall give their opinion.
Before the Board, in compliance with the Swedish Foundations Act, votes on a proposal to amend the Statutes that has been raised in accordance with the first paragraph, the prize-awarding bodies shall examine the proposal. In deciding on such a proposal, the Academy of Sciences shall exercise two votes and the other prize-awarding bodies one vote each. If the proposal fails to secure at least three votes, or if the proposal affects the interests of only one prize-awarding body and that body has not approved the proposal, the Board may not adopt it. If any party, within four months of receiving notice thereof, fails to express its opinion concerning a proposal which has been made, this shall not constitute an obstacle to a decision on the matter.
https://www.nobelprize.org/nobel_organizations/nobelfoundation/statutes.html
Ken Burch
(50,254 posts)n/t.
eppur_se_muova
(36,281 posts)Some small percentage of which might actually deserve some recognition. Sort of like declaring the runner-up in every election to be deserving of a recount.
PCIntern
(25,576 posts)At the Univ of Rochester in 1971.
sweetapogee
(1,168 posts)were very upfront about Franklin's contribution to the development of their double helix model and wanted her to share in the prize. However, just like with the work of Darwin, others were on a similar task and understanding was in parallel. Watson and Crick were, to their credit working tirelessly on the DNA model, had several prototypes in the works before seeing photo 51, which was at that point several years old. I'm not entirely sure Franklin knew exactly what photo 51 represented.
To be clear I consider Franklin to be an exceptional but complex individual and if she had lived I believe she would have contributed much to science. Those who study biology even at an undergraduate level know about her. She was a genius but like many high IQ individuals they sometimes have difficulties relating on a personal level. In my opinion as much as I would have loved to have the opportunity to meet her I'm of the opinion that she was a difficult person to work with. However I do think it would be very interesting to know how the study of genetics and cell respiration would have progressed if she had lived longer.
Demsrule86
(68,643 posts)"Working with a student, Raymond Gosling, Franklin was able to get two sets of high-resolution photos of crystallized DNA fibers. She used two different fibers of DNA, one more highly hydrated than the other. From this she deduced the basic dimensions of DNA strands, and that the phosphates were on the outside of what was probably a helical structure.
She presented her data at a lecture in King's College at which James Watson was in attendance. In his book The Double Helix, Watson admitted to not paying attention at Franklin's talk and not being able to fully describe the lecture and the results to Francis Crick. Watson and Crick were at the Cavendish Laboratory and had been working on solving the DNA structure. Franklin did not know Watson and Crick as well as Wilkins did and never truly collaborated with them. It was Wilkins who showed Watson and Crick the X-ray data Franklin obtained. The data confirmed the 3-D structure that Watson and Crick had theorized for DNA. In 1953, both Wilkins and Franklin published papers on their X-ray data in the same Nature issue with Watson and Crick's paper on the structure of DNA."
eppur_se_muova
(36,281 posts)Franklin has become a darling of feminist revisionists, but she didn't really do all that much, and misinterpreted some of her own results. Remember, there were lots of other people interested in the same thing at the time, including Linus Pauling, who could easily claim a share of the credit. Scuttlebutt among certain scientific literati for years has been that Peter Pauling, on a visit to Crick's lab, tipped them off to work Pauling was doing which enabled them to get the structure first. Actual historical documents don't support that; Pauling's idea was "inside-out" relative to the actual structure, a notion which Crick dismissed as laughable, for good reasons. The idea that DNA was a helix was suspected by many, based on comparison of X-ray diffraction patterns, to those of other notable helical polymers, including silk and the ?-helical proteins (Pauling again; at the time he seemed the most likely candidate to solve the structure of DNA). The challenge was largely one of getting adequately informative X-ray data, as DNA was experimentally difficult to work with in this regard. Franklin contributed some crucial observations re. the changes of DNA diffraction patterns with changes in atmospheric humidity (not a single "picture" as simple-mindedly described in the OP), but only Crick and Watson put all the pieces together (figuratively and literally). Franklin's major complaint was that she didn't get acknowledgement for the particular data she collected, which as an X-ray specialist, was her principal role.
All these attempts to portray Rosalind Franklin as an oppressed heroine may be based on the actual social environment of the time, but they do an injustice to almost all involved. Watson, the more outgoing, photogenic member of the pair is most remembered by the public, but Crick was the senior investigator who contributed a very great deal more to molecular biology than just the structure of DNA. It was Crick who formulated the Central Dogma of Molecular Biology, and contributed to uncovering many of the mechanistic details of DNA/RNA transcription. Even an incomplete listing of his contributions is adequate to reveal how great his impact on the field was. The same cannot be said even for his colleague Watson, much less for Franklin.
It does not benefit this woman's reputation to romanticize her story into something that it wasn't, however sympathetically the story reads.
Lisa0825
(14,487 posts)Loki Liesmith
(4,602 posts)Theres a lot of agitation these days to give Franklin more credit than she deserves.
Sneederbunk
(14,298 posts)ReformedGOPer
(478 posts)I always devoted a day's lecture about her.