It fits into “high crimes and misdemeanors” quite well. Even “unindicted conspiracy” does as well, as in the case of Nixon. The framers left us wide latitude on impeachment and removal for good reason.

I do believe the president needs to be impeached and removed before criminal proceedings can go forward.

I am from Texas. He would probably be safe here.

New York gives us a good chance.

The movie Mississippi Burning: Hackman said "Murder is a state charge and none of these hay seeds will convict him". Quote is close, but may not be exact.

Funny how the more things change, the more they stay the same.

When the new First Family waves 'bye' as Marine One lifts off, they can be secure in the knowledge that it isn't headed for Andrews AFB, but directly to the nearest federal court.

Then, after conviction, I'm willing to let him remain in "Xanadu" (the former Trump Tower, now nationalized as the nation's newest federal correctional facility) in his old apartment with the peeling gold RustOleum-covered toilets and bric-a-brac.

There, he will spend the rest of his days watching old Fox newscasts of his 2016 rallies, as his apartment/cell slowly fills with old KFC boxes.

And, on that final day, he will drift away in bed, his MAGA hat falling from his pudgy little fingers into a tub of gravy as his final enigmatic word "Pootie" drifts from his lips.

They'd let the whole country sink before they'd have another criminal president on their side.

It's like "Southpark." Kenny always gets it -- never Cartman, and Trump is definitely a Cartman.

a) Back when Bill Clinton was POTUS the GOP went to court and argued that a sitting president could be sued and indicted. I believe the courts agreed with the GOP.
b) His favorability ratings are low and falling; particularly in NY.
c)If he were indicted NY is the most logical place to do it. After all that is where he lives, pretends to work, and is where quite a lot of his questionable actions took place.
d) A mistrial is not an innocent verdict; if it were to go that far I would imagine that the DA would simply retry the case.

I think it is very unlikely that it would go that far. If Anyone can get him to testify under oath in front of congress or perhaps even in a recorded deposition his failing cognitive function would become a major issue for the GOP. His staff can barely contain his outbursts and impairment now.

Maybe Mueller ending up with the kompromat on all of the GOP and picking them off one by one will make a difference.

If he has the goods on Nunez or McConnell, what then?

I see no reason or legal argument why you can't indict a sitting president, if you've got got enough balls (metaphoric)!

the jones v. clinton case was allowed to proceed against a sitting president, that went to the supreme court.

while one might generally expect this court to be partisan in favor of the republican side 5-4, they'd then have to come up with a rationale for why a civil case can proceed but not a criminal case.

it's true that a criminal trial is not the same thing as a civil trial, and the penalties can certainly be very different, but we're not talking about the *sentence* being carried out while the president is in office -- that's a different question -- just if the trial itself can be carried out while the president is in office.

the clinton side must have made arguments about how important the president's time is and how this is a distraction and could lead to abuse and many frivolous, politically motivated cases. but the supreme court rejected those arguments, which would be the same arguments they would make to say criminal cases should be delayed until the president is out of office.


so imho, they would likely rule that a criminal case can proceed.

the interesting question is whether a prison sentence can be carried out while the president is still in office. the argument that imprisonment interferes with running the country is far more compelling than the argument that attending a trial does.

of course, one would expect congress to impeach upon a conviction, but knowing this cult, they would insist it was all a political witch hunt, blah, blah, blah....