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Reading this morning over coffee and bagels. about mueller and team now going to question RNC members. So the theory is rnc data team worked with Russia to target swing state voters. And sitting across from me my wife who is an attorney who has worked as a prosecutor. And now works as defense attorney so she is explaining how if the RNC has worked with Russia. To her how graham Gingrich McConnell and Ryan flipped flopped on support of mueller. It would appear to a prosecutor that they seem to be compromised and trump may have something on them. And if so the RNC could face conspiracy against the United States and RICO charges. Ok Im rambling but am hopeful because these asses are traitors. Update I dont know how to link from my I phone articles. BUT I GOOGLED MUELLER RNC and two articles business insider and axios is where I read this. Thanks to our friend botany article posted in thread.
onethatcares
(16,177 posts)I picture that smarmy ryan being led away in an orange jumpsuit and cuffs with an waist chain to the turtle who has tears running down his face.
Yes, I wish them no harm, only the feel of cold steel on their wrists.
Pachamama
(16,887 posts)I share that same desire....
Heres to hoping in 2018 dreams come true....
Scarsdale
(9,426 posts)Plus Newt being dragged along behind them. Pompous ass needs to be exposed for what he really is.
TEB
(12,863 posts)Newt being ok with mueller in June but now he is badmouthing mueller and team
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)My personal fantasy is Charles Koch waiting 7 years in federal penitentiary while his various appeals finish up, learning he'd lost them all, then living to 100.
OF COURSE, various co-conspirators, like Ryan and I feel sure Pence, and a bunch of others, would also be seeing some more of Koch, but not at his estate.
madaboutharry
(40,213 posts)I think they're all roped into a conspiracy. And don't forget Nunes, the man on the verge of a nervous breakdown.
Scarsdale
(9,426 posts)Seems he has all his money tied up in Russian vineyards in California!
Did nunes have a Russian backer on his vineyards I thought I read that once not sure.
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)Palmer Report story is unproven, either way.
I just looked for any indication that Russians tied to Putin donated to U.S. PACs serving Nunes (as they have to others, like notably McConnell), but no articles on that.
He stinks to high heaven anyway. There's the little question that we know about of passing classified info to the Russians. The House "investigation" cleared him, but has Mueller's?
PearliePoo2
(7,768 posts)That is a significant development! Can these treason-weasels keep their stories straight? I doubt it. Do you by chance have a link to this? Thanks!
TEB
(12,863 posts)Only mueller RNC and two articles I read axios and business insider. I do not know how to link with my I phone
Its important to remember that Mueller has the BEST of the BEST working for him. These professionals put their careers on hold to do what may be the most important work in their lives. Failure is NOT an option for these patriots!
GoCubsGo
(32,086 posts)If you search "Mueller RNC", a bunch of others will show up, as well.
PearliePoo2
(7,768 posts)Good article! Reading the comments though is generally disheartening. Lots of swamp-things and trump-bots lurking there spreading lies and propaganda.
TexasProgresive
(12,157 posts)I didn't know how. It just seems like the direction things are going. That would make the RNC an organized crime syndicate. They put one of the biggest mob bosses in prison for tax evasion- maybe just maybe that will come to pass as well.
TEB
(12,863 posts)Scarsdale
(9,426 posts)a very Happy New Year for all "thinking" people worldwide!! They are defending tRump to protect themselves and their own dirty deeds.
Rats trying to save their own asses
Kablooie
(18,637 posts)He would do it so they'd be his total slaves.
I know, it doesn't make sense but what does?
RandomAccess
(5,210 posts)answer questions. AND, they admit guilt as part of any pardon.
AND we have a Constitutional Crisis to end all Constitutional Crises. Literally, perhaps.
FakeNoose
(32,678 posts)If Trump should be named as an unindicted co-conspirator, then he cannot pardon any of them.
I'm quite sure this is already in Mueller's bag of tricks.
Kablooie
(18,637 posts)I wonder if the pardon's would stick?
FakeNoose
(32,678 posts)... so the indictment has to name all the parties including the President, who's the "unnamed co-conspirator."
I believe Mueller has already done that on the indictments for Flynn and Manafort, but I could be wrong.
I'm not a lawyer nor am I an insider in Washginton, I just read a lot of stuff here on DU. Many smart people are posting their info for all to read and learn.
Happy New Year Kablooie! Make it a Blue Year!
Kablooie
(18,637 posts)In 1866, the Supreme Court ruled in Ex parte Garland that the pardon power "extends to every offence known to the law, and may be exercised at any time after its commission, either before legal proceedings are taken, or during their pendency, or after conviction and judgment." (In that case, a former Confederate senator successfully petitioned the court to uphold a pardon that prevented him from being disbarred.) Generally speaking, once an act has been committed, the president can issue a pardon at any timeregardless of whether charges have even been filed.
But happy new year to you too, anyway!
Cracklin Charlie
(12,904 posts)Senate (McConnell) refuses to even consider Obamas Supreme Court nominee, because they knew then (March, 2016) that the election was rigged for Trump.
Would that information further a RICO case against the GOP?
Oh, and Happy New Year!
TEB
(12,863 posts)It all depends on how the prosecutor builds his case.
But as it unfolds and if it is proves that McConnell knew then yes. Because mcturtle would have based his decision on the knowledge of the kremlin influences.
shenmue
(38,506 posts)But remember I have a chocolate land shark
TEB
(12,863 posts)I gave up beer what would we have in common besides a love of dogs a hate of the far Reich I know you like craft beer Id be a boring date
shenmue
(38,506 posts)Botany
(70,539 posts)*******
And don't forget this nugget.
https://www.newyorker.com/news/news-desk/paul-ryan-keeps-it-family-kevin-mccarthy-russia-trump
Theres two people I think Putin pays: Rohrabacher and Trump, McCarthy said, according to Entous, a superb reporter who heard a tape recording of the colloquy. Swear to God.
snip
In the Post piece, McCarthys remark is met with laughter, and Ryan cautions his colleagues, This is an off the record . . . No leaks! . . . All right?
And then, amid more laughter, Ryan says, This is how we know were a real family here.
Thats how you know that were tight, Steve Scalise, the House Majority Whip, says.
TEB
(12,863 posts)Scary shakes me to core
Botany
(70,539 posts)n/t
onlyadream
(2,166 posts)The GOP were putting their bets on Hillary losing, when by all accounts at the time, she would win and appoint someone more liberal leaning. At the time I thought this was very strange, and a stupid move. In hindsight, they knew they had help from Russia. I really suspect hacked voting machines as well as the emails and Facebook propaganda.
Ligyron
(7,637 posts)Mc Turtle as a fortune teller? No way.
WE know somebody RNC had to conspire with somebody Russian in targeting specific parts of our population. The only question is: how far up the cabal chain can Mueller take this?
RandomAccess
(5,210 posts)6/25/2017
PALMER: Rigged election: Donald Trump won every surprise swing state by the same 1% margin
http://www.palmerreport.com/opinion/rigged-election-donald-trump-won-every-surprise-swing-state-by-the-same-1-margin/118/
The most commonly posited explanation of Donald Trumps shocking election victory was that every professional pollster in the nation despite each working independently and using differing methodologies somehow managed to overlook the same pockets of Trump voters in these states. If such pockets did exist, they would have existed in varying sizes in each of the four states, thus resulting in different sized wins in each.
Ask any statistician and theyll tell you that a reasonable distribution of the results would have been Trump winning one of the states by one percent, won one of them by perhaps three percent, won one of them by two percent, lost one of them by one percent, or something along those lines. But instead the voting tallies looked startlingly different from any natural distribution. In fact they looked startlingly the same.
According to the New York Times, the voting results broke down like this: Trump won Florida by just over one percent of the vote. He also won Pennsylvania by just over one percent. He won Michigan by just under one percent. And he won Wisconsin by precisely one percent. Thats not how numbers tend to work in the real world.
On its own, this kind of suspiciously consistent numerical dispersion across the four states that decided the election would be something that could be written off as a mere fluke. But when you put it within the context of the numerous other ways in which the voting tallies make no mathematical sense, it points to the numbers having been rigged or altered.
tomp
(9,512 posts)you, and the article, are absolutely right to point out these statistical anomalies. These anomalies could have been brought to our attention by comparing exit polls to reported tallies, but since 2000 the media and government has ignored this gold standard of determining election fairness because it didn't support bush's supposed win. And since 2000 our election system has been made even more vulnerable with increased computer hacking possibility.
Nothing matters more than securing our voting system from tampering in the many ways it is tampered with now.
RandomAccess
(5,210 posts)We didn't really "lose" the John Ossoff election, for example.
Link to tweet
Someone said that we have to REALLY get out the vote to counter this. That's true, but that's not a sufficient response to the crisis.
Between the machines (I go for paper ballots, hand counted in full public view), dozens of voter suppression tactics, outright theft (via Crosscheck etc.) plus whatever other gimmicks they come up with (like Russian propaganda), we really DO have a real crisis on our hands.
Speaking of Crosscheck:
Here is how they stole the election, well this and KGB operatives V Crosscheck in action:
Trump victory margin in Michigan: 13,107
Michigan Crosscheck purge list: 449,922
Trump victory margin in Arizona: 85,257
Arizona Crosscheck purge list: 270,824
Trump victory margin in North Carolina: 177,008
North Carolina Crosscheck purge list: 589,393
http://www.gregpalast.com/election-stolen-heres/
tomp
(9,512 posts)...that N. Carolina was rated worst in the world in districting-related problems with elections. That is, no country has ever received a lower rating on this parameter!!!!! NC fails on other levels, which makes it one of the worst democratic entities in the world.
And of course we know this is not an isolated phenomenon.
Democracy in the U.S. must be considered a sham until election integrity is ensured.
AJT
(5,240 posts)so I don't see how any of them would be prosecuted. The GOP is running the government and they will not let their top pols go down.
tomp
(9,512 posts)Sure, I'm impatient, but my judgment of Mueller will depend on results.
And I'm not just talking about all the trumpistas going to jail. That simply must be accomplished, and soon.
But I also want this investigation to have lasting impact on our general societal and governmental culture (including on the FBI). I want it to be a watershed moment of education for America, the realization of how utterly corrupt our system is. We should have learned after Watergate, Iron-Contra, the savings and loan scandal, election theft 2000, Iraq war, etc., (although the corruption is long-standing).
If Mueller's investigation is not going to do that, then it's REALLY taking too long.
TEB
(12,863 posts)NotASurfer
(2,153 posts)So far, we have a couple of key underlings pleading guilty or under indictment
So next, we need the accountant who knows where all the skeletons are buried
Then Mueller can take down the lieutenants in Congress or the Cabinet
Then the right-hand VP
Then the family
Then, the Don