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Why was Christie never indicted for Bridgegate? (Original Post) edhopper Dec 2017 OP
Decision makers were all Christie appointees dalton99a Dec 2017 #1
+1 uponit7771 Jan 2018 #21
Not true. former9thward Jan 2018 #22
I meant state officials dalton99a Jan 2018 #25
Others took total blame for it JI7 Dec 2017 #2
Yes. Others took the blame and he let them..given RestoreAmerica2020 Jan 2018 #29
They never found that "smoking gun." yallerdawg Dec 2017 #3
Wasnt there a cell phone never turned over? And for some reason I recall the guy who held back bettyellen Dec 2017 #13
Christie himself Roland99 Jan 2018 #24
People in places of high power almost never go to jail bearsfootball516 Dec 2017 #4
+1 Irish_Dem Dec 2017 #6
This is what I've been thinking every KPN Dec 2017 #5
She's probably the only reason anything at all was done. Ligyron Dec 2017 #10
Yeah, that's probably right. But Christie KPN Dec 2017 #18
Christie, as a prosecutor, knew how to protect delisen Jan 2018 #28
News reports don't necessarily meet the criteria for beyond a reasonable doubt mythology Dec 2017 #7
Yep, my thoughts too ClarendonDem Dec 2017 #16
Did Bridget Kelly and Bill Baroni montanacowboy Dec 2017 #8
They are free on bail pending appeal. Ilsa Dec 2017 #11
A prosecutor I know melm00se Dec 2017 #9
Testimony from underlings? ProudLib72 Jan 2018 #31
As I am not privy to the actual admissible melm00se Jan 2018 #32
got lots to do when we get control of congress BUT bluestarone Dec 2017 #12
Isn't "reasonable doubt" edhopper Dec 2017 #14
Not at all. former9thward Jan 2018 #23
He owns the judges. And the police who hold the evidence or could testify. lindysalsagal Dec 2017 #15
Unlike the noobies in the Trump crime syndicate, Christie is both an ex federal tblue37 Dec 2017 #17
They might not have had enough evidence. PragmaticDem Dec 2017 #19
For those who say edhopper Jan 2018 #20
The answer to prosecutorial misconduct isn't more of it mythology Jan 2018 #33
The worst part he is waiting for a Trump train wreck that will be worse his political train wreck. gordianot Jan 2018 #26
Being a former prosecutor... Zambero Jan 2018 #27
Yes, but RealityChik Jan 2018 #30

former9thward

(32,040 posts)
22. Not true.
Mon Jan 1, 2018, 11:12 AM
Jan 2018

The investigation was led by Paul Fishman, US Attorney for northern NJ, who was appointed by President Obama.

RestoreAmerica2020

(3,437 posts)
29. Yes. Others took the blame and he let them..given
Mon Jan 1, 2018, 11:50 AM
Jan 2018

That Christie (as well as trumpf) are autocratic managers meaning they know about everything, they give the order on everything and no-one makes a move without them, yet wth Bridgette there was no tangible evidence such as an email, text, recording to tis the b$@#!$d to the crime..he let others go to prison for his transgression.

As for trumpf and Russian gate..and his effort to distance himself from the crime ....it was the trumpf campaign ...dude you are the trumpf campaign..trumpf was in on the fix whatever the fix was, and he probably gave the order and it's probably on text, email or recorded. The difference between Christie and trumpf ... Christie would have erased the tape..wouldn't have been so sloppy...

yallerdawg

(16,104 posts)
3. They never found that "smoking gun."
Sun Dec 31, 2017, 11:59 AM
Dec 2017

It was all circumstantial and intuitive considering his exhibited 'nature' - but sometimes members of "the team" do things to seek approval and respect they crave, not on the orders of the head coach.

There remains a 'reasonable doubt.'

 

bettyellen

(47,209 posts)
13. Wasnt there a cell phone never turned over? And for some reason I recall the guy who held back
Sun Dec 31, 2017, 02:17 PM
Dec 2017

Got a promotion to work in DC. I know someone got away with withholding evidence.

bearsfootball516

(6,377 posts)
4. People in places of high power almost never go to jail
Sun Dec 31, 2017, 12:00 PM
Dec 2017

Others fall on their sword, or they start paying out money and the charges quietly vanish.

KPN

(15,647 posts)
5. This is what I've been thinking every
Sun Dec 31, 2017, 12:13 PM
Dec 2017

time I watch Rachel Maddow. She was all over Bridgegate non-shop for months on end. Same thing with Russia-Trump. A depressing thought every time I have it.

delisen

(6,044 posts)
28. Christie, as a prosecutor, knew how to protect
Mon Jan 1, 2018, 11:50 AM
Jan 2018

himself.

He left no personal trail.

No written orders to staff or anyone else

No spoken instructions or statements of appreciation

His people made verbal reports or comments but he did answer in words-maybe just smiled or looked happy.

He let them take all the risks and actions. They knew he would like them to take revenge but they never got spoken or written instructions to take action. They knew he was pleased by their actions but he never put it in words-either spoken or written.

Slippery and slithery. He let them take the risks and then cut them loose.

 

mythology

(9,527 posts)
7. News reports don't necessarily meet the criteria for beyond a reasonable doubt
Sun Dec 31, 2017, 12:37 PM
Dec 2017

There was never anything specifically coming from Christie where he said "fuck up traffic on the bridge". Is it likely he did order it? Sure. But you can't even come close to the burden of proof.

 

ClarendonDem

(720 posts)
16. Yep, my thoughts too
Sun Dec 31, 2017, 04:28 PM
Dec 2017

The news reports I read indicated Christie was involved, but it looks like there wasn't any evidence supporting indictment. If there had been he almost certainly would have been indicted -- silly to think he was somehow protected because he was governor. Lots of politicians have been indicted and sent to prison for their crimes.

montanacowboy

(6,094 posts)
8. Did Bridget Kelly and Bill Baroni
Sun Dec 31, 2017, 01:26 PM
Dec 2017

EVER show up to jail? They were slated to begin sentences in September and there never was a word about it.

What is the deal here? anyone know?

Ilsa

(61,695 posts)
11. They are free on bail pending appeal.
Sun Dec 31, 2017, 01:59 PM
Dec 2017

I guess we will see if someone dotus appoints gets their case to review. I have no idea if that is even possible, or what would happen if that came to pass.

melm00se

(4,993 posts)
9. A prosecutor I know
Sun Dec 31, 2017, 01:29 PM
Dec 2017

always reminds people when questions like this come up:

there are things in this world that you "know" and things you can "prove", the two don't always intersect.

ProudLib72

(17,984 posts)
31. Testimony from underlings?
Mon Jan 1, 2018, 11:34 PM
Jan 2018

Why no plea deals for testimony? You can't tell me that not one out of the four people sentenced was ever offered a deal. And suppose there was sworn testimony. Wouldn't that be enough to convict, or does there need to be hard evidence?

melm00se

(4,993 posts)
32. As I am not privy to the actual admissible
Tue Jan 2, 2018, 10:36 AM
Jan 2018

evidence nor can I evaluate the credibility of "testimony of underlings" I can't really make a judgment.

bluestarone

(16,998 posts)
12. got lots to do when we get control of congress BUT
Sun Dec 31, 2017, 02:03 PM
Dec 2017

i'd like to see this investigated a little further. (hold some hearings like nUnes does)

edhopper

(33,595 posts)
14. Isn't "reasonable doubt"
Sun Dec 31, 2017, 02:23 PM
Dec 2017

Something left for the jury after the prosecutor presents the case.
Not for the prosecutor to decide.

former9thward

(32,040 posts)
23. Not at all.
Mon Jan 1, 2018, 11:18 AM
Jan 2018

Prosecutors have an ethical standard which they must follow. They only charge people they believe they can prove did the crime beyond a reasonable doubt. "Leaving it to the jury (or judge) to decide" would be an ethics violation.

Standard 3-4.3 Minimum Requirements for Filing and Maintaining Criminal Charges

(a) A prosecutor should seek or file criminal charges only if the prosecutor reasonably believes that the charges are supported by probable cause, that admissible evidence will be sufficient to support conviction beyond a reasonable doubt, and that the decision to charge is in the interests of justice.


https://www.americanbar.org/groups/criminal_justice/standards/ProsecutionFunctionFourthEdition.html

tblue37

(65,456 posts)
17. Unlike the noobies in the Trump crime syndicate, Christie is both an ex federal
Sun Dec 31, 2017, 04:31 PM
Dec 2017

prosecutor and an experienced politician. He knows how to buffer himself with underlings to reduce legal exposure and to create plausible deniability.

gordianot

(15,242 posts)
26. The worst part he is waiting for a Trump train wreck that will be worse his political train wreck.
Mon Jan 1, 2018, 11:45 AM
Jan 2018

At which time he will crawl out from under his rock like many other loathsome GOP creatures.

Zambero

(8,965 posts)
27. Being a former prosecutor...
Mon Jan 1, 2018, 11:46 AM
Jan 2018

Christie for one would be adept and knowledgable regarding the art of plausible deniability, as it relates to prior knowledge of crimes committed, even as they occur.

RealityChik

(382 posts)
30. Yes, but
Mon Jan 1, 2018, 11:06 PM
Jan 2018

He has scary close ties with the mob and he holds grudges for eternity. Anyone who values life would be ending it with testimony that could put him behind bars.

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