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NRaleighLiberal

(60,016 posts)
Sun Dec 31, 2017, 12:07 PM Dec 2017

There is a significant root cause to the way things are trending the past decades...

Short attention span, and need for constant stimulation. The media knows this and plays into it. Politicians realize it (hell, they have it themselves).

It seems like with Vietnam and Watergate, it was possible for stories to play out over days, weeks, months and keep the attention of the public (maybe "seem" is the key word).

But - whether it is gun violence, politics or the impact of extreme weather, we have headlines - and people pay attention - then we quickly move on, with the victims left shaking their heads, picking up the pieces alone, wondering how such horrors can be repeated - and why nothing useful happens as a result.

I have no answer, because, if anything, the attention span will just get shorter. Throw in "fake news" claims and rampant use of propaganda, and iron clad belief systems that work like teflon...Citizens United/money buying votes, insecure voting systems and a right wing non stop bullhorn on Faux and AM radio

We are in a huge pickle....with no easy ways out.

What made me think of this are the recent stories about continued severe issues in Puerto Rico, and more shootings today.

Clearly, "if it bleeds it leads" - but then quickly pivoting away once the clicks and eyeballs get bored, are screwing the world.

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There is a significant root cause to the way things are trending the past decades... (Original Post) NRaleighLiberal Dec 2017 OP
It's an addiction.. SharonAnn Dec 2017 #1
Take the one-eyed baby sitter and throw it in your garbage bin. L. Coyote Dec 2017 #2
I totally agree - we unplugged 10 years ago and the world seems doubly surreal to us. NRaleighLiberal Dec 2017 #3
It's literally true that Americans are divided into groups living in different realities. yardwork Dec 2017 #6
It is not an alternate reality. Don;t use their terms. pangaia Dec 2017 #12
Personal Reality. Calling it what it is. Self-delusion is my best moniker. L. Coyote Dec 2017 #14
I did that years ago peacebuzzard Dec 2017 #10
At the GAS PUMP !! pangaia Dec 2017 #13
when that started last it year, it cemented that it is a mind control device NRaleighLiberal Dec 2017 #17
Silence. pangaia Dec 2017 #18
I heard an interview on the Diane Rehm where an author was discussing our fear of boredom NRaleighLiberal Dec 2017 #19
I agree... except that silence need not be boredom. pangaia Dec 2017 #20
his view is that boredom isn't so much laziness as a place where one gets focused NRaleighLiberal Dec 2017 #21
I was a classical musician.. retired, sort of.. pangaia Dec 2017 #24
You said the magic word. I have at least 20 recordings of each Mahler symphony... NRaleighLiberal Dec 2017 #25
Ah, Mahler. Hit a nerve did I? :))) pangaia Dec 2017 #28
Arghh!! LeftInTX Dec 2017 #42
That startled me the 1st time That thing blurted at me peacebuzzard Dec 2017 #43
Most of the ones I come across have a mute button. pangaia Dec 2017 #44
yes but that's not the main problem. talk radio's worth $5BIL/yr at $1000/hr certainot Dec 2017 #27
I blame the commoditization (if that's a word) of news. shanny Dec 2017 #4
indeed - and it got "conglomerated" into a very few huge mostly right wing centers NRaleighLiberal Dec 2017 #5
Absolutely PatSeg Dec 2017 #30
Which is why the RW brainwashing machine has to repeat the same Big Lies over and over dalton99a Dec 2017 #7
time to move on is a very popular idea wasupaloopa Dec 2017 #8
Short attention span linked to mass media is absolutely at the root. PoindexterOglethorpe Dec 2017 #9
Neil Postman rips Sesame Street in his book "Amusing Ourselves to Death" (with television) gristy Dec 2017 #23
Im calling Poes Law here. Nt Tommy_Carcetti Dec 2017 #26
Poes law? PoindexterOglethorpe Dec 2017 #29
I didn't know either, so I went to look irisblue Dec 2017 #38
Goldfish have a better attention span than you, smartphone user CrispyQ Dec 2017 #11
Idiocracy Roland99 Dec 2017 #15
a perfect fit for the age of drumph. mopinko Dec 2017 #16
The dilemma for cable news is "how to keep the eyes glued." yallerdawg Dec 2017 #22
Wait... askyagerz Dec 2017 #31
Ha! I am still reading and processing responses. I LOVE to linger on topics! NRaleighLiberal Dec 2017 #32
The responses here askyagerz Dec 2017 #33
The root cause is Ronald Raygun. roamer65 Dec 2017 #34
Raygun is beyond vile. He put a Hollywood kairos12 Dec 2017 #36
Corporate Media sells out everyday with their kairos12 Dec 2017 #35
Agree. LuckyCharms Dec 2017 #37
Like Gore Vidal said, this is the United States of Amnesia. GoCubsGo Dec 2017 #39
I need to add GREED as another root cause. Marie Marie Dec 2017 #40
oh yes, indeedy! NRaleighLiberal Dec 2017 #41
"Future Shock," 1970 moondust Dec 2017 #45
I'm going to share these thoughts on Facebook SleeplessinSoCal Jan 2018 #46
Great...thanks! Happy New Year! NRaleighLiberal Jan 2018 #47

NRaleighLiberal

(60,016 posts)
3. I totally agree - we unplugged 10 years ago and the world seems doubly surreal to us.
Sun Dec 31, 2017, 12:14 PM
Dec 2017

It is as if we live in one world, and the anesthetized masses live in another.

yardwork

(61,678 posts)
6. It's literally true that Americans are divided into groups living in different realities.
Sun Dec 31, 2017, 12:20 PM
Dec 2017

Approximately half the country believes an alternate reality that is completely untrue. Their reality is fed to them daily by some combination of AM radio, Fox News, their Facebook feed, Twitter, Reddit, Russia Times, columnists and bloggers who are really Russian plants, Stormfront, the people they play Minecraft with, the people they play Call of Duty with, etc. Left and right, they are brainwashed.

The rest of us struggle to make sense of things.

L. Coyote

(51,129 posts)
14. Personal Reality. Calling it what it is. Self-delusion is my best moniker.
Sun Dec 31, 2017, 12:44 PM
Dec 2017

When I was growing up long ago, the idea that reality was a personal construct was considered insanity.
Now it is a wing-nut political goal! Emphasis on "nut"

peacebuzzard

(5,175 posts)
10. I did that years ago
Sun Dec 31, 2017, 12:30 PM
Dec 2017

Best thing I ever did.
I still see sets on: at the gyms, or Airports.
Amazing that people just accept it as background noise.

NRaleighLiberal

(60,016 posts)
17. when that started last it year, it cemented that it is a mind control device
Sun Dec 31, 2017, 12:56 PM
Dec 2017

approaching dystopia at lightning speed.

Personally, I love silence....bird songs....or just listening to a gentle wind, or music.

pangaia

(24,324 posts)
18. Silence.
Sun Dec 31, 2017, 01:01 PM
Dec 2017

People fear silence and stillness. Because it requires them to ponder, which leads to looking inside and questioning one's self. Sometimes what one finds is frightening.

People prefer to remain asleep. It is easier. For now.


NRaleighLiberal

(60,016 posts)
19. I heard an interview on the Diane Rehm where an author was discussing our fear of boredom
Sun Dec 31, 2017, 01:03 PM
Dec 2017

His contention was that silence - being bored - was where creative ideas are born. I totally agree with that. There are no good ideas emerging from constant noise, particularly if it is mindless noise.

pangaia

(24,324 posts)
20. I agree... except that silence need not be boredom.
Sun Dec 31, 2017, 01:08 PM
Dec 2017

Boredom is laziness.

Silence is..... where life begins.

NRaleighLiberal

(60,016 posts)
21. his view is that boredom isn't so much laziness as a place where one gets focused
Sun Dec 31, 2017, 01:10 PM
Dec 2017

I actually agree, from what I've found - if I get aimless, and settle down, my creative juices flow. Not that I am bored often at all - the contrary is the issue...more I want to do than time to do it!

But yes, even the music I listen to most has lots of spaces - either ambient, or European jazz (ECM label) - superb use of space.

pangaia

(24,324 posts)
24. I was a classical musician.. retired, sort of..
Sun Dec 31, 2017, 01:25 PM
Dec 2017

In an orchestra, or any group, or as soloist, when one has complete attention and is in the moment, there is silence and time stops. It can stop for a complete Mahler symphony...

When the 80-100 people in an orchestra are in this state......... and all "know....".......

NRaleighLiberal

(60,016 posts)
25. You said the magic word. I have at least 20 recordings of each Mahler symphony...
Sun Dec 31, 2017, 01:32 PM
Dec 2017

My favorites tend to be the even numbered ones for some reason - the finale of the second, slow movement of the 4th, slow movement of the 6th (maybe one of the most beautiful, heart rending things I've ever heard), finale of the 8th (that last 5 minutes is other worldly), and the entire 10th - the last movement again just rips my heart out.

Also a big Shostakovich listener - and some (but not all) Bruckner.

You are lucky - I've always envied those who play in an orchestra and get to experience the beauty first hand - as a contributor/creator of such amazing notes.

pangaia

(24,324 posts)
28. Ah, Mahler. Hit a nerve did I? :)))
Sun Dec 31, 2017, 01:45 PM
Dec 2017

Yes, I feel I was so fortunate in what I did 'for a living..

To spend so much time sitting up there in the back of an orchestra was what I was born to do. When those 8 horn players stand up at the end of Mahler 1 and let rip in your face with trumpets and trombones blowing their brains out to your left... It can just lift you right off your stool! (Or as we timpanists sometimes call it, THE THRONE!)

Ok for fun. My favorite quick timpani clip of all time...Here is Wieland Welzel, one of the 2 principal timpanists in Berlin. This guy just freakin gets it.. great musician, timpanist and person..

Beginning of last mvt of #1, but you know that.

The look on his face just after 1:20 is priceless... "heh, heh, here it comes..... guys.. watch this!" LOL.. Actually he is watching the other timpanist and cymbal player as they all have that note in unison.

peacebuzzard

(5,175 posts)
43. That startled me the 1st time That thing blurted at me
Sun Dec 31, 2017, 04:56 PM
Dec 2017

I live in a rural area, had been enveloped in silence all day, just busy stuff at home, go for errands, pull up to the pump. And blaring as loud as it would go, this mini monitor comes on complete with commercials, the local stations celebrities. Egads! Can’t get away.

pangaia

(24,324 posts)
44. Most of the ones I come across have a mute button.
Sun Dec 31, 2017, 04:59 PM
Dec 2017

BUT, it doesn't tell you can MUTE it OR WHICH of all the buttons is the MUTE one... Just keep hitting the buttons, You may get lucky.


 

certainot

(9,090 posts)
27. yes but that's not the main problem. talk radio's worth $5BIL/yr at $1000/hr
Sun Dec 31, 2017, 01:41 PM
Dec 2017

for TV there are option a click away

at a cheap $1000/hr x 15hrs/day x 5 = $75,000/wk x 1200 stations rw talk radio is worth $18MIL/day or 390MIL$ /month or 4.68 BIL$/ year FREE for coordinated global warming denial, pro republican free market deregulation and wall st think tank propaganda, swiftboating, privatizing public education, passing voter suppression legislation, and the hate and fear used to get people to vote republican.
that's the only medium capable of doing the repetition needed to sell this crap to enough people that bush palin and trump are even acceptable.

and it only works because it is totally ignored by those whos interests it is used to attack

we even let 88 major universities endorse 257 limbaugh stations and do nothing

 

shanny

(6,709 posts)
4. I blame the commoditization (if that's a word) of news.
Sun Dec 31, 2017, 12:16 PM
Dec 2017

News became a profit center and lost its "public service" reason for being. So we get the sensationalized and superficial crap we have now.

PatSeg

(47,547 posts)
30. Absolutely
Sun Dec 31, 2017, 02:00 PM
Dec 2017

Add to that people's short attention span and reality TV mentality, and you get the mess we see today. I remember a time when people leisurely read the newspaper every morning and then watched the evening news to catch up on what happened during the day.

dalton99a

(81,543 posts)
7. Which is why the RW brainwashing machine has to repeat the same Big Lies over and over
Sun Dec 31, 2017, 12:21 PM
Dec 2017

This allows the flavors to percolate and infuse, leaving lasting memories for millions and sharpening their responses like Pavlov's dogs

 

wasupaloopa

(4,516 posts)
8. time to move on is a very popular idea
Sun Dec 31, 2017, 12:25 PM
Dec 2017

here at DU.

If you say no let’s not move on just yet you are attacked by the herd.

PoindexterOglethorpe

(25,868 posts)
9. Short attention span linked to mass media is absolutely at the root.
Sun Dec 31, 2017, 12:30 PM
Dec 2017

I place a lot of blame on Sesame Street, which everyone else in the free world thinks is fabulous. When I first noticed it (I was already an adult) I was very bothered by the short segments. Two minutes here, one minute there. I am probably the only mother who had a tv in the house who didn't turn that show on for her kids.

I also only ever had one tv, and don't have one these days, not since 2008, nearly ten years. I can't imagine ever having one again.

gristy

(10,667 posts)
23. Neil Postman rips Sesame Street in his book "Amusing Ourselves to Death" (with television)
Sun Dec 31, 2017, 01:19 PM
Dec 2017

The book is a good but disheartening read. Written in 1985, things have only gotten worse with PCs and smartphones.

irisblue

(33,010 posts)
38. I didn't know either, so I went to look
Sun Dec 31, 2017, 02:43 PM
Dec 2017

From Wikipedia
SNIP
Poe's law" is based on a comment written by Nathan Poe in 2005 on christianforums.com, an Internet forum about Christianity. The post was written in the context of a debate about creationism, where a previous poster had remarked to another user "Good thing you included the winky. Otherwise people might think you are serious".[4] Poe then replied, "Without a winking smiley or other blatant display of humor, it is utterly impossible to parody a Creationist in such a way that someone won't mistake for the genuine article".[1] The original statement of Poe's law referred specifically to creationism, but it has since been generalized to apply to any kind of fundamentalism or extremism.[3]

In part, Poe was simply reiterating common advice about the need to clearly mark written sarcasm or parody (e.g. with a smiling or part, Poe was simply reiterating common advice about the need to clearly mark written sarcasm or parody (e.g. with a smiling or winking emoticon) to avoid confusion.

Learn something new every day here.

CrispyQ

(36,487 posts)
11. Goldfish have a better attention span than you, smartphone user
Sun Dec 31, 2017, 12:39 PM
Dec 2017
https://www.cnet.com/news/goldfish-the-actual-fish-not-the-crackers-may-have-a-better-attention-span-than-humans/

Goldfish have a better attention span than you, smartphone user
A study from Microsoft claims mobile devices have shortened the average human attention span to just eight...SQUIRREL!


snip...

According to a spring 2015 study from Microsoft, the average human attention span has fallen below that of goldfish -- and you can blame it on the gadgets we use to watch YouTube videos and play "Crossy Road." The researchers clocked the average human attention span at just 8 seconds in 2013, falling 4 seconds from the 12-second average in 2000, and putting humans just 1 second below goldfish.


Not many of my family & friends are political, but they got political after Jan 20. They went to the two big marches & to postcard writing parties. And by the time the GOP was trying to repeal the ACA, their outrage meters were overloaded. The three reasons I heard (from my hiking friends), were 1) too much negativity (those of us involved in politics cut our teeth in the W years), 2) don't have time (they do), 3) it doesn't make a difference (it does). I think most of them will vote in 2018, but that's it. They don't call or write their reps.

mopinko

(70,155 posts)
16. a perfect fit for the age of drumph.
Sun Dec 31, 2017, 12:56 PM
Dec 2017

i often said during the election that hillary's biggest mistake was only having done one "wrong" thing. cheato's misdeeds changed daily, always bumping the day before off the front page.
hillary's emails were the only false equivalence they had, so that ran every day, day after day.

yallerdawg

(16,104 posts)
22. The dilemma for cable news is "how to keep the eyes glued."
Sun Dec 31, 2017, 01:18 PM
Dec 2017

That's why every time you click on it - "Breaking News!" Same story for days at a time.

They really get it all with the mediocre TV celebrity they promoted into the presidency. Love him or hate him, he draws eyes! Now he is on at least 18 hours a day.

We really should turn off the cable news as they search for the most profitable confirmation bias and then spit out propaganda in support.

We'd be better off watching the 3 minute synopsis on free broadcast network news - or PBS news hour. It's all liberal anyway!

kairos12

(12,863 posts)
36. Raygun is beyond vile. He put a Hollywood
Sun Dec 31, 2017, 02:22 PM
Dec 2017

smile on a corporate takeover of the country. Drumpt is but a logical extension of Raygun.

LuckyCharms

(17,450 posts)
37. Agree.
Sun Dec 31, 2017, 02:32 PM
Dec 2017

I think a relatively recent uptick in this has to do with smart phone technology.

Everything moves and cycles so fast.

Also, I think people glued to their phones is a rel problem. Humanity is slipping away.

GoCubsGo

(32,086 posts)
39. Like Gore Vidal said, this is the United States of Amnesia.
Sun Dec 31, 2017, 02:43 PM
Dec 2017

"We are the United States of Amnesia, which is encouraged by a media that has no desire to tell us the truth about anything, serving their corporate masters who have other plans to dominate us." That was in 2004, but it has held true for decades before that.

moondust

(20,001 posts)
45. "Future Shock," 1970
Sun Dec 31, 2017, 05:07 PM
Dec 2017
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Future_Shock#In_popular_culture

I think Toffler recognized early on that "information overload" in the "Information Age" was bound to have consequences on people's brains and society.
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