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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsThere is a significant root cause to the way things are trending the past decades...
Short attention span, and need for constant stimulation. The media knows this and plays into it. Politicians realize it (hell, they have it themselves).
It seems like with Vietnam and Watergate, it was possible for stories to play out over days, weeks, months and keep the attention of the public (maybe "seem" is the key word).
But - whether it is gun violence, politics or the impact of extreme weather, we have headlines - and people pay attention - then we quickly move on, with the victims left shaking their heads, picking up the pieces alone, wondering how such horrors can be repeated - and why nothing useful happens as a result.
I have no answer, because, if anything, the attention span will just get shorter. Throw in "fake news" claims and rampant use of propaganda, and iron clad belief systems that work like teflon...Citizens United/money buying votes, insecure voting systems and a right wing non stop bullhorn on Faux and AM radio
We are in a huge pickle....with no easy ways out.
What made me think of this are the recent stories about continued severe issues in Puerto Rico, and more shootings today.
Clearly, "if it bleeds it leads" - but then quickly pivoting away once the clicks and eyeballs get bored, are screwing the world.
SharonAnn
(13,777 posts)L. Coyote
(51,129 posts)NRaleighLiberal
(60,016 posts)It is as if we live in one world, and the anesthetized masses live in another.
yardwork
(61,678 posts)Approximately half the country believes an alternate reality that is completely untrue. Their reality is fed to them daily by some combination of AM radio, Fox News, their Facebook feed, Twitter, Reddit, Russia Times, columnists and bloggers who are really Russian plants, Stormfront, the people they play Minecraft with, the people they play Call of Duty with, etc. Left and right, they are brainwashed.
The rest of us struggle to make sense of things.
pangaia
(24,324 posts)It is fantasy, imagination and lies.
L. Coyote
(51,129 posts)When I was growing up long ago, the idea that reality was a personal construct was considered insanity.
Now it is a wing-nut political goal! Emphasis on "nut"
peacebuzzard
(5,175 posts)Best thing I ever did.
I still see sets on: at the gyms, or Airports.
Amazing that people just accept it as background noise.
pangaia
(24,324 posts)NRaleighLiberal
(60,016 posts)approaching dystopia at lightning speed.
Personally, I love silence....bird songs....or just listening to a gentle wind, or music.
pangaia
(24,324 posts)People fear silence and stillness. Because it requires them to ponder, which leads to looking inside and questioning one's self. Sometimes what one finds is frightening.
People prefer to remain asleep. It is easier. For now.
NRaleighLiberal
(60,016 posts)His contention was that silence - being bored - was where creative ideas are born. I totally agree with that. There are no good ideas emerging from constant noise, particularly if it is mindless noise.
pangaia
(24,324 posts)Boredom is laziness.
Silence is..... where life begins.
NRaleighLiberal
(60,016 posts)I actually agree, from what I've found - if I get aimless, and settle down, my creative juices flow. Not that I am bored often at all - the contrary is the issue...more I want to do than time to do it!
But yes, even the music I listen to most has lots of spaces - either ambient, or European jazz (ECM label) - superb use of space.
pangaia
(24,324 posts)In an orchestra, or any group, or as soloist, when one has complete attention and is in the moment, there is silence and time stops. It can stop for a complete Mahler symphony...
When the 80-100 people in an orchestra are in this state......... and all "know....".......
NRaleighLiberal
(60,016 posts)My favorites tend to be the even numbered ones for some reason - the finale of the second, slow movement of the 4th, slow movement of the 6th (maybe one of the most beautiful, heart rending things I've ever heard), finale of the 8th (that last 5 minutes is other worldly), and the entire 10th - the last movement again just rips my heart out.
Also a big Shostakovich listener - and some (but not all) Bruckner.
You are lucky - I've always envied those who play in an orchestra and get to experience the beauty first hand - as a contributor/creator of such amazing notes.
pangaia
(24,324 posts)Yes, I feel I was so fortunate in what I did 'for a living..
To spend so much time sitting up there in the back of an orchestra was what I was born to do. When those 8 horn players stand up at the end of Mahler 1 and let rip in your face with trumpets and trombones blowing their brains out to your left... It can just lift you right off your stool! (Or as we timpanists sometimes call it, THE THRONE!)
Ok for fun. My favorite quick timpani clip of all time...Here is Wieland Welzel, one of the 2 principal timpanists in Berlin. This guy just freakin gets it.. great musician, timpanist and person..
Beginning of last mvt of #1, but you know that.
The look on his face just after 1:20 is priceless... "heh, heh, here it comes..... guys.. watch this!" LOL.. Actually he is watching the other timpanist and cymbal player as they all have that note in unison.
LeftInTX
(25,460 posts)Haven't seen that yet......
Guess it's the next thing....
peacebuzzard
(5,175 posts)I live in a rural area, had been enveloped in silence all day, just busy stuff at home, go for errands, pull up to the pump. And blaring as loud as it would go, this mini monitor comes on complete with commercials, the local stations celebrities. Egads! Cant get away.
pangaia
(24,324 posts)BUT, it doesn't tell you can MUTE it OR WHICH of all the buttons is the MUTE one... Just keep hitting the buttons, You may get lucky.
certainot
(9,090 posts)for TV there are option a click away
at a cheap $1000/hr x 15hrs/day x 5 = $75,000/wk x 1200 stations rw talk radio is worth $18MIL/day or 390MIL$ /month or 4.68 BIL$/ year FREE for coordinated global warming denial, pro republican free market deregulation and wall st think tank propaganda, swiftboating, privatizing public education, passing voter suppression legislation, and the hate and fear used to get people to vote republican.
that's the only medium capable of doing the repetition needed to sell this crap to enough people that bush palin and trump are even acceptable.
and it only works because it is totally ignored by those whos interests it is used to attack
we even let 88 major universities endorse 257 limbaugh stations and do nothing
shanny
(6,709 posts)News became a profit center and lost its "public service" reason for being. So we get the sensationalized and superficial crap we have now.
NRaleighLiberal
(60,016 posts)Add to that people's short attention span and reality TV mentality, and you get the mess we see today. I remember a time when people leisurely read the newspaper every morning and then watched the evening news to catch up on what happened during the day.
dalton99a
(81,543 posts)This allows the flavors to percolate and infuse, leaving lasting memories for millions and sharpening their responses like Pavlov's dogs
wasupaloopa
(4,516 posts)here at DU.
If you say no lets not move on just yet you are attacked by the herd.
PoindexterOglethorpe
(25,868 posts)I place a lot of blame on Sesame Street, which everyone else in the free world thinks is fabulous. When I first noticed it (I was already an adult) I was very bothered by the short segments. Two minutes here, one minute there. I am probably the only mother who had a tv in the house who didn't turn that show on for her kids.
I also only ever had one tv, and don't have one these days, not since 2008, nearly ten years. I can't imagine ever having one again.
gristy
(10,667 posts)The book is a good but disheartening read. Written in 1985, things have only gotten worse with PCs and smartphones.
Tommy_Carcetti
(43,188 posts)PoindexterOglethorpe
(25,868 posts)irisblue
(33,010 posts)From Wikipedia
SNIP
Poe's law" is based on a comment written by Nathan Poe in 2005 on christianforums.com, an Internet forum about Christianity. The post was written in the context of a debate about creationism, where a previous poster had remarked to another user "Good thing you included the winky. Otherwise people might think you are serious".[4] Poe then replied, "Without a winking smiley or other blatant display of humor, it is utterly impossible to parody a Creationist in such a way that someone won't mistake for the genuine article".[1] The original statement of Poe's law referred specifically to creationism, but it has since been generalized to apply to any kind of fundamentalism or extremism.[3]
In part, Poe was simply reiterating common advice about the need to clearly mark written sarcasm or parody (e.g. with a smiling or part, Poe was simply reiterating common advice about the need to clearly mark written sarcasm or parody (e.g. with a smiling or winking emoticon) to avoid confusion.
Learn something new every day here.
CrispyQ
(36,487 posts)Goldfish have a better attention span than you, smartphone user
A study from Microsoft claims mobile devices have shortened the average human attention span to just eight...SQUIRREL!
snip...
According to a spring 2015 study from Microsoft, the average human attention span has fallen below that of goldfish -- and you can blame it on the gadgets we use to watch YouTube videos and play "Crossy Road." The researchers clocked the average human attention span at just 8 seconds in 2013, falling 4 seconds from the 12-second average in 2000, and putting humans just 1 second below goldfish.
Not many of my family & friends are political, but they got political after Jan 20. They went to the two big marches & to postcard writing parties. And by the time the GOP was trying to repeal the ACA, their outrage meters were overloaded. The three reasons I heard (from my hiking friends), were 1) too much negativity (those of us involved in politics cut our teeth in the W years), 2) don't have time (they do), 3) it doesn't make a difference (it does). I think most of them will vote in 2018, but that's it. They don't call or write their reps.
Roland99
(53,342 posts)mopinko
(70,155 posts)i often said during the election that hillary's biggest mistake was only having done one "wrong" thing. cheato's misdeeds changed daily, always bumping the day before off the front page.
hillary's emails were the only false equivalence they had, so that ran every day, day after day.
yallerdawg
(16,104 posts)That's why every time you click on it - "Breaking News!" Same story for days at a time.
They really get it all with the mediocre TV celebrity they promoted into the presidency. Love him or hate him, he draws eyes! Now he is on at least 18 hours a day.
We really should turn off the cable news as they search for the most profitable confirmation bias and then spit out propaganda in support.
We'd be better off watching the 3 minute synopsis on free broadcast network news - or PBS news hour. It's all liberal anyway!
askyagerz
(776 posts)What were we talking about???
NRaleighLiberal
(60,016 posts)askyagerz
(776 posts)Are usually the only intellectual conversations of my day...sigh...
roamer65
(36,745 posts)He planted this seed that is now bearing this bitter fruit.
kairos12
(12,863 posts)smile on a corporate takeover of the country. Drumpt is but a logical extension of Raygun.
kairos12
(12,863 posts)both sides do it blathering.
LuckyCharms
(17,450 posts)I think a relatively recent uptick in this has to do with smart phone technology.
Everything moves and cycles so fast.
Also, I think people glued to their phones is a rel problem. Humanity is slipping away.
GoCubsGo
(32,086 posts)"We are the United States of Amnesia, which is encouraged by a media that has no desire to tell us the truth about anything, serving their corporate masters who have other plans to dominate us." That was in 2004, but it has held true for decades before that.
Marie Marie
(9,999 posts)NRaleighLiberal
(60,016 posts)moondust
(20,001 posts)I think Toffler recognized early on that "information overload" in the "Information Age" was bound to have consequences on people's brains and society.
SleeplessinSoCal
(9,128 posts)At least a dozen people will see.