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emulatorloo

(44,156 posts)
Sun Dec 31, 2017, 03:39 PM Dec 2017

Words We're Watching: What About "Whataboutism?"

What About "Whataboutism?"
If everyone is guilty of something, is no one guilty of anything?

https://www.merriam-webster.com/words-at-play/whataboutism-origin-meaning

Some of the terms we use to describe political rhetoric are as old as politics itself (see ad hominem attacks, or such devices as synecdoche, metonymy, or zeugma). Others are more recent additions, driven by the evolution of the news cycle (like fake news and dog whistles).

But hey, aren’t we ignoring a bigger subject here? How can we talk about rhetorical devices and not mention whataboutism?

Essentially a reversal of accusation, arguing that an opponent is guilty of an offense just as egregious or worse

Whataboutism gives a clue to its meaning in its name. It is not merely the changing of a subject ("What about the economy?" ) to deflect away from an earlier subject as a political strategy; it’s essentially a reversal of accusation, arguing that an opponent is guilty of an offense just as egregious or worse than what the original party was accused of doing, however unconnected the offenses may be.

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The association of whataboutism with the Soviet Union began during the Cold War. As the regimes of Josef Stalin and his successors were criticized by the West for human rights atrocities, the Soviet propaganda machine would be ready with a comeback alleging atrocities of equal reprehensibility for which the West was guilty.

The weaknesses of whataboutism—which dictates that no one must get away with an attack on the Kremlin's abuses without tossing a few bricks at South Africa, no one must indict the Cuban police State without castigating President Park, no one must mention Irak, Libya or the PLO without having a bash at Israel, &c. – have been canvassed in this column before.
—Michael Bernard, The Age (Melbourne, Victoria, Australia), 17 Jun. 1978


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Before the 2016 presidential election, more instances of whataboutism applied to criticism among regimes than between individual politicians:

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Since the Cold War, Moscow has engaged in a political points-scoring exercise known as "whataboutism" used to shut down criticism of Russia's own rights record by pointing out abuses elsewhere. All criticism of Russia is invalid, the idea goes, because problems exist in other countries too.
—Max Seddon, Buzzfeed, 25 Nov. 2014


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The term is seeing a bit of a renaissance in our current political climate. Philip Bump writes in The Washington Post that President Donald Trump has utilized whataboutism frequently as a way of deflecting criticism for his actions, such as his pardon of former Arizona sheriff Joe Arpaio.

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Time will tell if whataboutism can persuade its way into the language, but its recent upswing in usage suggests it may have staying power. At least until someone changes the subject.

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Much more at link.

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Words We're Watching: What About "Whataboutism?" (Original Post) emulatorloo Dec 2017 OP
I think theres a valid criticism of whataboutism David__77 Dec 2017 #1
Of course. However the propaganda technique Whataboutism is all about deflection emulatorloo Dec 2017 #3
It is bothersome to me when well-meaning liberals inadvertently shanny Dec 2017 #4
Yea, but what about just calling it thbobby Dec 2017 #2
Wouldn't work without enablers ProudLib72 Dec 2017 #5

David__77

(23,434 posts)
1. I think theres a valid criticism of whataboutism
Sun Dec 31, 2017, 03:47 PM
Dec 2017

A country’s policies can be criticized in their own right, for instance. And that holds true for any subject.

emulatorloo

(44,156 posts)
3. Of course. However the propaganda technique Whataboutism is all about deflection
Sun Dec 31, 2017, 03:53 PM
Dec 2017

Trump and Kellyanne pretty much Whatabouted us to death with “what about Obama” and “what about Hillary” when any valid criticisms of Trump were brought up.

It is bothersome to me though when well-meaning liberals inadvertently use “whataboutisms” to inadvertently minimize Putin’s interference in 2016 election.

Like you say US foreign policy can be criticized on it’s own “merits”

 

shanny

(6,709 posts)
4. It is bothersome to me when well-meaning liberals inadvertently
Sun Dec 31, 2017, 04:41 PM
Dec 2017

confuse valid criticisms of our side with an attempt to excuse the other side.

Intent is all. Is the person being principled or dodgy? Even in the middle of a shit storm valid criticism is appropriate. If it weren't, the can would be kicked down the road forever while we dealt with the issue du jour.

thbobby

(1,474 posts)
2. Yea, but what about just calling it
Sun Dec 31, 2017, 03:49 PM
Dec 2017

flagrant bullshit propaganda. GOP has done it for years. flagrandbullshitpropaganda I wonder how it could be used in scrabble?

ProudLib72

(17,984 posts)
5. Wouldn't work without enablers
Sun Dec 31, 2017, 05:02 PM
Dec 2017

I think tRump does it naturally, and the rest of the GOP has learned to do it well over decades of practice. That makes for a very dangerous combination. However, I'm also going to blame the MSM/social media for enabling.

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