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Roland99

(53,342 posts)
Tue Jan 2, 2018, 08:23 AM Jan 2018

The 100-year capitalist experiment that keeps Appalachia poor, sick, and stuck on coal

https://qz.com/1167671/the-100-year-capitalist-experiment-that-keeps-appalachia-poor-sick-and-stuck-on-coal/

His people had settled the Clintwood and George’s Fork area, along the Appalachian edge of southern Virginia, in the early 17th century. Around the turn of the 1900s, smooth-talking land agents from back east swept through the area, coaxing mountain people into selling the rights to the ground beneath them for cheap. One of Mullins’ ancestors received 12 rifles and 13 hogs—one apiece for each of his children, plus a hog for himself—in exchange for the rights to land that has since produced billions of dollars worth of coal.

“I probably ended up mining a lot of that coal,” says Mullins, a broad-shouldered, bearded 38-year-old with an easy smile.

...

But the idea that the region’s coal industry is dying is not quite true. For much of the hundred-plus years of its existence, the industry has been on a kind of artificial life support, as state and federal governments have, directly and indirectly, subsidized coal companies to keep the industry afloat.

The costs of this subsidy aren’t tallied on corporate or government balance sheets. The destruction of central Appalachia’s economy, environment, social fabric and, ultimately, its people’s health is, in a sense, hidden. But they’re plain enough to see on a map. It could be lung cancer deaths you’re looking at, or diabetes mortality. Or try opioid overdoses. Poverty. Welfare dependency. Chart virtually any measure of human struggle, and there it will be, just right of center on a map of the US—a distinct blotch. This odd cluster is consistently one of America’s worst pockets of affliction.
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The 100-year capitalist experiment that keeps Appalachia poor, sick, and stuck on coal (Original Post) Roland99 Jan 2018 OP
Worth the read Botany Jan 2018 #1
Simplistic a bit? "Capitalist experiments" also were involved Hortensis Jan 2018 #2
Did you even read the article? Botany Jan 2018 #4
Guilty, Botany. I stopped after a while to go to work. Hortensis Jan 2018 #8
that's a fascinating and incredibly depressing article renate Jan 2018 #3
And by this point, many probably feel there is just no way out Roland99 Jan 2018 #5
I know! that really stuck with me too! renate Jan 2018 #7
One of the things that may effect change is population Roland99 Jan 2018 #6

Botany

(70,516 posts)
1. Worth the read
Tue Jan 2, 2018, 12:21 PM
Jan 2018

"Places with less economic complexity tend to grow more slowly and
have much bigger gaps between rich and poor."

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
2. Simplistic a bit? "Capitalist experiments" also were involved
Tue Jan 2, 2018, 12:24 PM
Jan 2018

in creation of all the planet's most vigorous and intellectually advanced societies. For all their faults.

As for Appalachia in particular, geography, anyone? For all that millions of people travel every day, satellite communications, and so on, geography still rules. Big time.

Botany

(70,516 posts)
4. Did you even read the article?
Tue Jan 2, 2018, 12:51 PM
Jan 2018

It was hardly simplistic. BTW it covered the geography and sociology of the region too.

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
8. Guilty, Botany. I stopped after a while to go to work.
Tue Jan 2, 2018, 02:36 PM
Jan 2018

That doesn't in any way excuse an inexcusable title and overall theme, however. The author knows full well most only see the title and won't even read for the while I did.

Just imagine if coal jobs had been unionized, with workable amounts of coal profits allocated to good wages and benefits. They'd be gone now, of course, as the market for most U.S. coal largely evaporated, but it'd be leaving behind reasonably prosperous and far healthier middle class workers wondering what they were going to do next and regions that could support new industry because they'd have have developed with the money that poured in and stayed there. Large numbers of their kids would have gone to college and could become managers and techies in the new industries.

Lack of unionization of capitalist jobs is only one of a number of significant factors in Appalachia's desperation, but all by its lone little self it cuts the feet off the title's premise. It could have been so different.

Btw, when people talk about wanting good jobs again, what they really mean is those with the incomes and benefits that collective bargaining once achieved for both union jobs and competing non-union ones. For that, high productivity is needed.

As far as I can see, the biggest problem with allowing capitalism to continue as an economic method is environmental and population sustainability. Today's model of capitalism depends on growth, and that has to change.

renate

(13,776 posts)
3. that's a fascinating and incredibly depressing article
Tue Jan 2, 2018, 12:42 PM
Jan 2018

It's really well written and very thorough.

I feel so bad for the people whose lives have been trashed by big coal companies and then abandoned. And yes, these same people voted against their own best interests, but as the article points out, a lifetime of stress will do things to your thought processes.

Roland99

(53,342 posts)
5. And by this point, many probably feel there is just no way out
Tue Jan 2, 2018, 01:05 PM
Jan 2018
When Mullins asked his guidance counselor how to apply to college as a junior, she told him that, without having taken advanced classes, it was pointless.


How sad! No online college option? No comminity college?

renate

(13,776 posts)
7. I know! that really stuck with me too!
Tue Jan 2, 2018, 01:51 PM
Jan 2018

What kind of guidance counselor just stomps on a kid's dreams like that?

I'd like to think that he/she was just misguided, not deliberately mean, but it's terrifying to think about how that person affected so many kids' lives for the worse.

Roland99

(53,342 posts)
6. One of the things that may effect change is population
Tue Jan 2, 2018, 01:10 PM
Jan 2018

Teen birth rates have dropped tremendously in the last couple of decades.

A sad solution but one which may be the only option.


Or perhaps there will just be a new boss in town:

http://www.wsaz.com/content/news/Gov-Bevin-to-announce-economic-development-for-eastern-Kentucky-420391033.html

A new location for billion dollar business, Braidy Industries has been determined after the land on the original site for the aluminum factory was deemed not strong enough to support the facility.

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