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By Danny Hayes January 2 at 5:00 AM
One of the biggest U.S. political stories of 2017 was the boost that the Democratic Party got in elections across the country, widely interpreted as part of a backlash against the Trump presidency. And much of the partys success came where few expected it in the South.
In November, Democrats swept statewide races in Virginia, picking up more than a dozen seats in the House of Delegates. In December, Democrat Doug Joness victory in the U.S. Senate election in Alabama spurred talk of the partys resurgence in a region where Republicans have dominated for three decades.
These Democratic victories resulted in large part from high turnout and overwhelming support and activism among black voters. But recent research suggests that Democrats are also benefiting from another phenomenon whites who have moved to the South. Since World War II, Americans have been migrating South. Thats picked up in recent years, aided by a relatively strong economy and as anyone north of the Mason-Dixon line this week will appreciate balmy winters. According to the U.S. Census Bureau, 10 of the fastest-growing U.S. cities in 2016 were in the South, five in Texas.
How is this changing the Southern electorate?
In a new article, political scientists Sunshine Hillygus, Seth McKee, and McKenzie Young show that whites who have moved to the South are more likely to be Democratic than lifelong Southerners.
They draw this conclusion by looking at data going back to the 1970s from the American National Election Studies survey. Since 1968, the survey has asked respondents where they grew up. This allowed Hillygus and her colleagues to categorize white residents of Southern states as natives (people who grew up in the region) and migrants (people who grew up elsewhere). Its important to note that their analysis focuses only on whites, so it cannot speak to the regions growing diversity.
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uponit7771
(90,347 posts)marylandblue
(12,344 posts)A Democrat will run in every Texas Congressional District. We are not conceding an inch this time!
uponit7771
(90,347 posts)NewJeffCT
(56,828 posts)if I recall. And, Texas was closer at a presidential level than Iowa and almost as close as Ohio last year.
There are some moderate to moderately conservative upper middle class suburban areas around Dallas and Houston that care quite a bit about public schools and also have high property taxes that would likely get hit pretty hard under the Trump tax bill (I looked into moving to the Houston suburbs several years back and was surprised at how high some of the property taxes were...) - I'm betting that as those areas grow further, it will be with people relocating from bluer states in the northeast and on the west coast that also care about public schools and want their SALT deductions.
uponit7771
(90,347 posts)... VA is repeated in Texas then we have a really good chance of the state turning blue no doubt
rzemanfl
(29,565 posts)come for the weather, stay for the rampant STDs.
snowybirdie
(5,229 posts)for six months. Left happily screeching out of my driveway, Windows all open with rock and roll(Stones) turned up on the radio! So glad to leave that awful place!
rzemanfl
(29,565 posts)snowybirdie
(5,229 posts)Chilly at 50, but not -12 like Chicago!
rzemanfl
(29,565 posts)greymattermom
(5,754 posts)and it's rare for me to hear someone with a southern accent. Only the guy who came to install my dishwasher spoke "southern".
quickesst
(6,280 posts)... people move to the South is economic. Many move down here and find that they actually like it. People from up yonder way have been retiring here for many many years. Most are nice people, but there are some who come down here with a chip on their shoulder and an attitude. I usually just tell them they found their way down here easily enough, so it shouldn't be that tough to find your way back.
Victor_c3
(3,557 posts)If you go to France expecting to find rudeness and with a chip on your shoulder, youll find it. However if you smile, have a little patience and understand that not everyone speaks English, youll find French people are just as friendly as anyone else.
The same goes with the southern part of our country. If you go to the south expecting to find the dirty south, youll find it.
You make a good point.
quickesst
(6,280 posts)Never bothered me much though. I remember moving from Arkansas to California when I graduated high school. My sister had been there for about 5 years and when she finally introduced me to her "hippie" boyfriend hilarity ensued. I'd never seen a grown man lose it to that extent over an accent. I asked my sister if he was okay.
yallerdawg
(16,104 posts)except, what's the point of flying back and forth - you know you're going back South again anyway!
I had a friend who moved down here and he found a little adage in a magazine or somewhere, so he had a wooden plaque made and hung it on his porch. It read:
"I MAY NOT BE FROM THE SOUTH BUT I GOT HERE AS FAST AS I COULD"!
Some of them get a kick out of us.
cstanleytech
(26,293 posts)sometimes you have to make due in life.
quickesst
(6,280 posts).... there ain't a whole lot of people thrilled you're down here either. I'm kidding. No one likes living somewhere where they don't feel at home.
yallerdawg
(16,104 posts)Try becoming an Alabama football fan!
cstanleytech
(26,293 posts)PoindexterOglethorpe
(25,862 posts)It seems to me that a lot of people who move to the South have already been quite conservative, or become so in fairly short order.
IronLionZion
(45,453 posts)It's in the liberal's nature to move to where jobs are, especially young ambitious liberals pursuing careers in fields that are growing in demand.
Conservatives will wait patiently for Trump to bring back coal jobs and bring factories back from China while liberals will take job training and move. I've moved many times all over America. While some people feel that brown people are stealing jobs away, I just took a certification exam this past weekend before celebrating the new year and new ways to stay employed.
Voter suppression tactics don't work as well on white liberals or women or people who don't live in self-segregated communities.
Even many of the black and Latino and Asian people who move to the South are making difference in elections. Virginia saw a tremendous amount of diverse Democratic first time candidates stealing jobs away from Republican politicians. Some neighborhoods in North Carolina, Florida, Georgia, and Texas are also seeing more Dem candidates running competitively in former red districts.
SharonAnn
(13,776 posts)for the most part. 3 out of 4 in my large community are GOP and many are Tea Partiers. Many of them are from retired from the managerial and professional careers in the auto industry. They absolutely hate unions and hate the federal government. Except for the 1 out of 4 who are often their spouses and are retired teachers or health care professionals.
It has made this particular part of East TN, very very red. On the other hand, the Democrats that used to be in office locally were pretty much segregationists and religious fundamentalists. So no real difference other than the D label, and the fact that the state legislature and governor flipped to R.
Duppers
(28,125 posts)I know a few very liberal dems down there but I know they're a tiny minority.
Jake Stern
(3,145 posts)I love Colorado and the wintertime here is beautiful but the sad truth is that I simply cannot see my partner and I being able to buy a home here. Denver/Boulder is out and Co. Springs is becoming just as bad. Right now we live in a tiny 2 bedroom with a yard so small you need an electron microscope to see it that sets us back $1400 a month. And that's after the landlord took a shine to us and reduced the rent by $100.
I spent nearly 20 years in Florida and vowed I'd never set foot in the South again but when I can visualize being able to buy a home and afford a better life in Texas then it's off to Texas we might go.
dawg
(10,624 posts)Virginia is now a blue state.
North Carolina would be as well, if only it were a democracy.
Georgia narrowly cast its lot for Trump. Trump did not make it to 51% of the vote. Florida was even closer.
Even Texas was less red than in previous elections.
The South continues to drift slowly to the left. We should not write it off.
peggysue2
(10,831 posts)Sitting outside Knoxville, TN where the temperature has risen from low single digits to 20 degrees this morning.
Ooooo, Balmy.
That being said, the reason I'm sitting here is job-related, the considerable push of employment during the 90s into the Sunshine Belt. This was not a desired move but an economic one with two kids at university and tuition rates even in the late 90's and early aughts heading into the stratosphere.
That was then, this is now.
For many, the impetus to move south is again economics-based, particularly for retirees: incredibly low taxes in comparison to say, my native state of New Jersey. For 'fureigners' (rather than migrants) this is somewhat astonishing at the start, until you realize that many schools are not adequately funded and all those public services we take for granted in the North have been privatized: ambulance, fire, trash. On the fire angle, we had a case several years ago--mid-state, rural--where a subscriber had fallen behind on his yearly subscription. His house caught fire. The local fire company stood and watched the building burn. No money, no hosey. Glenn Beck featured the case on his show: this is what freedom looks like. Public transportation? That's pretty much a non-starter where I am. I miss commuter trains and high-speed lines and have never understood the great resistance to the idea in Republican circles. Whatever. Plus, I find the overt religiosity annoying because it's too often in your face. Color me perplexed and suspicious. The truly devout people I've known and know in my life are quiet, reflective about their faith. They know what they believe and hold dear. No need to push those beliefs down another person's throat or wave it around like a victory banner.
Unlike many of our fellow retirees, my husband and I will be moving back north, probably Pennsylvania, somewhere outside Philly. Because though it may cost more, that's where home, family and friends are. Can't put a price on that.
Which means, of course, that our 2 Democratic votes possibly for 2018 and most definitely in 2020 will not be counted in the south but from the region we love best. Personally, I'm ready to click my ruby shoes and head home.
spooky3
(34,458 posts)People here generally refer to it as MidAtlantic.
Especially in the cities and college towns, which are growing more rapidly than are the rural areas, many people are from other parts of the country or world, and they tend to go blue.