Do we know anything else about the visit such as who was there or how long they met? Maybe they met multiple times ?

So far no whys or wherefores. Did they just happen to meet up, did they have a relationship so they knew who the other was?

associated with putin and russian oligarchs for two decades or more and that he owes them that 1.7 billion I keep mentioning.

The idea that his campaign was EVER not connected to Putin is ridiculous. It would be like saying Paul McCartney showed his "Yesterday" (or "Scrambled Eggs&quot )lyrics to my neighbor Bill in Bumfuck,. KY before he showed them to John.

No, Paul doesnt know Bill.

Awkward way of putting it I know but trump has been Putin's boy for a while,

How is the HIGHEST Australian Ambassador involved. Was it a FVEY thing?

him for many years.

Are you saying the highest levels of the Aussie intel people were working the case as in the way our CIA was?

that there would have been a joint effort and they targeted this prick to turn evidence?

Makes sense to me if you assume what i said is true, that the MOMENT the traitor announced his run, forces kicked in, those forces that know for a fact trump is owned by putin.

Is that what you are thinking?

That you have summed it up. That the five intelligence services were on thi way before they knew and must've had their eye on George P.

The news says it was two months later that Australia contacted our intelligence. Was that a lie to cover up the joint involvement? Maybe a lie to distract from how important a target Papa was? But to what end?

Ok, now I'm thinking there might be something else out there that we don't know about yet, like another target of importance who may not be in the US, but foreign intelligence is tracking (and contacting). So the lie about the joint effort is to make this target feel at ease talking to non-US diplomats?

be that intel agencies like Britain, Australia, etc., are all aware that trump is a putin asset to the extent that complete fucking idiot can be an asset.

Joint effort or not, I am certain most of our allies intel communities know that putin owns trump and have known this for a long time.

Because Papa was new to the campaign and looking to make a name for himself, Putin knew he would be a good asset, but so did foreign intelligence! Ha! I like that scenario. If other intelligence agencies are capable of being two steps ahead of Putin, that gives me hope!

you are saying.

I think our allies know who is and who is not owned by putin, for the most part.

Isnt this confusing and really annoying, right! I mean think about it, if all Americans are patriots, we dont have this discussion.

Trump is never nominated let alone in position to steal the election.

I was reading some article about how Papa really was a "coffee boy". His experience before joining the tRump campaign was two months working for Ben Carson's campaign. He was young, stupid, and looking to break into real politics. The article said that Papa represented the perfect asset for Putin, so he quickly reached out (well, not Putin, but his agents). I was just saying that these foreign intelligence agencies must have been aware of what Putin looked for in an asset and marked Papa as a target very early on. In that way, they used Putin's asset recruitment against him. Putin saw Papa as an asset, and intelligence knew that Putin would see him as an asset. Intelligence went out of their way to make Papa an asset of their own. That is, if what you are thinking is true, then they used Downer's status as a high ranking diplomat to entice Papa to tell all.

All this time I had it backwards. I thought the tRump campaign was using Papa because he was disposable. Honestly, I doubt tRump himself really knew about Papa. But Sam Clovis certainly did, and tRump knew Clovis. They thought they could establish a hierarchy to protect themselves. It's amazing the kind of shenanigans a lowly "coffee boy" can get up to when you direct him to make contact with Russia to discuss "warmer relations". The house of cards will fall when you take out that one card on the bottom.

that George P.s drunken ravings seemed to get confirmed.

But it certainly is possible that they're deliberately fudging the date for a reason.

How much did the foreign intelligence agencies know and when did they know it?

I have two scenarios to consider:

1) There was no sharing between foreign intelligence and us prior to the emails. They were on to Putin messing with our election all along, but they were waiting for some sign from our intelligence that we were doing something about the matter. The Wikileaks dump worried them, so they contacted us.

I can sort of believe this if there had been some discussion previously about Russian meddling in general. Maybe our intelligence told them to be on the lookout for anything suspicious, and Australia took it very seriously. On the other hand, they would have had to be absolutely sure about Papa to send in Downer (unless he was just in the right place at the right time).

2) There was sharing and it was decided that Downer was attractive to Papa as a high ranking diplomat and someone who would seem "safe" to discuss Russia with.

This scenario begs the question, Why the two month gap? It could be that other traps were being set at the time, either for Papa or other members of the tRump campaign, and we didn't want to scare the colluders into not talking. Maybe we were afraid of a leak that would alert the tRump campaign?

They always look for confirmation and that was it, but I believe they were already on the look-out...there was too much going on and whispers to be ignored. Also, think about this, just how did the Diplomat 'happen' to be at the same bar as Papadopolous.

all the allied intelligence forces have been keeping an eye on DT. Imagine the material that Mueller has to work with.

Wonder what compelled them, what their point of interest was/is

Pine Gap is a very sophisticated ASD/NSA listening Post.

But didn't know about Pine Gap

“Pine Gap is the commonly used name for an Australian Earth station approximately 18 kilometres (11 mi) south-west of the town of Alice Springs, Northern Territory in the centre of Australia which is operated by both Australia and the United States. Since 1988, it has been officially called the Joint Defence Facility Pine Gap (JDFPG); previously, it was known as Joint Defence Space Research Facility.[1]

Partly run by the U.S. Central Intelligence Agency (CIA), U.S. National Security Agency (NSA) and U.S. National Reconnaissance Office (NRO), the station is a key contributor to the NSA's global interception effort, which included the ECHELON program.[2][3][4][5] The unclassified coverterm for the NSA facility at Pine Gap is RAINFALL.[6”

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pine_Gap

Back in the early 1970’s Australian PM Gough Whitlam joked about kicking us out of Pine Gap. In 1975, he was removed as PM under very dubious circumstances.

That is why the FBI perked up and listened.

Mr. Downer was also a former leader of the Liberal Party of Australia.

Look at Alexander Downer’s job from 2008-2014, folks.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alexander_Downer

Special advisor to the UN Secretary General on CYPRUS...

I think Mr Downer was familiar with the Russian crap via Cyprus and took the brag seriously.

or get more info. They knew where he hangs and probably that he gets drunk, so cheerio, fancy meeting you here.

Told the truth to the Australians and lied to the FBI

As well as after the election.