She garnered a lot of hate with Al Franken fiasco.

By November, it will be water under the bridge. IN fact it should be already, but he's got a loyal fan base a la the Bey hive here. I've taken to hiding posts about him because the horse is already dead and doesn't need to be beaten anymore. LEt Tina Smith do her job.

She won with 72% in 2012.

I really don't think that the people of New York care about a senator from Minnesota.

I am a New York voter and I damn well care about Al Franken.
I never thought Gillibrand was all that awesome to begin with. We will see what happens during the primary.
All I can say is that she damn well better be fucking brilliant in the coming months!
We lost one of the most effective democratic voices in the senate. Gillibrand is nowhere close to replacing it.

And they love her. WHen Franken resigned, my dad's response was 'get him out of there' because he said everytime someone else came forward, it occupied the headlines for a day. Now that he is no longer in the senate, if 100 more women came forward, it would not be in the headlines.

My mom is constantly signing her praises. If I still lived in NY, I'd vote for her. NY is a big state. Bigger than DU.

(FWIW I had a neutral opinion on Franken as a senator. He never stood out positively or negatively to me. There are louder voices against Trump.)

Obviously no reason to discuss this anymore.

I get it. This board is his fanclub. I'm sure that if there were a DU election between KG and Roy Moore, then the latter would win.

He's out and his replacement will be sworn in tomorrow. I've sent more threads about how wonderful he is and how horrible she is to my trash can. This will be one more.

Let's stop beating a dead horse. This is why we can't have nice things.

Just to be fair?

the co-sponsers for the "Anti-Boycott Act", which would criminalize constitutionally protected boycotts and certain speech against countries who are allies of the U.S. and would range from sweeping penalties, including criminal prosecution.

After Civil Rights Groups criticized that legislation as an attack on free speech, she withdrew her support for it.

Before she became a Senator she voted to keep critical data needed to track illegal gun traffickers from law enforcement, and protect dealers who sell guns illegally. After she became a Senator she moved to the left on the issue saying she was representing the folks in her district which was her excuse why she originally took that position.

To me, "shooting from the hip" without fully understanding the implications, or the rightness or wrongness of a decision is not a quality I like to see in a President. If those "shifts" in position were based on what Gillibrand thought would give her a political advantage, and were not based on what was right or wrong, that would be even more troubling, and that is not a quality I like to see in a President.

... and I care A LOT that thanks to Gillibrand and the others who called for Franken's resignation, we have lost a great warrior who fought for Democrats everywhere, not just in Minnesota.

Do you really think that NYers only pay attention to what's happening in their own state, and are somehow unaware of what politicians from other states are doing?

...who's linked to a lot of people engaged in politics in NY State; Franken isn't being discussed in political circles.

that she seems to be more motivated by the political advantage of an issue than by what is right or wrong. Either that, or she doesn't not fully analyze something before making a decision. Either quality is not something I would like to see in a President

We need her in the Senate. I don't see her as our nominee in 20 but let's get through 18 first.

a senator from New York who threw our senator under the bus to further her own ambitions and leaves us having to try and hold on to two Senate seats this November.

If she does run in 2020 she might as well skip the primary here (we're going to presidential primary, in 2020 but will caucus for other offices).

She fucked over her party...Hillary, Bill, Al.
All of the Dems I know, one a former party leader, want her gone.
Do you think the Clintons will stick their necks out for her again??

Kick her out!

nt

What she does after that is an open question.

Keeping in mind that she won in 2012 with over 70 percent of the vote.

Yes, there are folks upset at her for turning her back on Franken. But in the end, it isn't going to make that much difference in her Senate race.

I will wager that there will be more after the shit show she engendered.
She won with 70% because there were no other viable candidates.
Hope she is finally waking up to the colossal mistake she made.
By the way, I am not all that charmed by Schumer either. I think he is a bought and paid for Democrat also.

NYC. Any problems with that?

all in your camp.

Go fuck yourself would often be an acceptable response.

we most certainly are not. You were defensive and a little nasty with answering my simple question and that is all...you being from NY has nothing to do with it.

Glad you are from the city.
You should be able to deal with whatever I say.

I'm melting snowflakes one by one. My last name ain't "Trolston" for nuthin'....

...but it was sort of a funny comment, don't ya think.

That is, indeed, the proper response.

and no one has declared that they will run against her in the Democratic primary.

The deadline for filing to run in the primaries is in April and the primary is only two months later. So if someone is thinking about running, they need to get going now, not wait until April.

So you can probably take this to the bank: no one anyone has heard of or electable in a statewide race will file to run against her in the Democratic primary. Not Caroline Kennedy. Not Bill de Blasio. Not Michael Bloomberg.

And the current crop of republican candidates are a collection of jokes. Between them they have $775 in the bank to finance their campaigns. Gillibrand has $8.7 million.

""I have a strong Rockefeller Republican streak," Teachout said. "Wall Street has access to capital and small businesses don’t. " And she ran against Cuomo in the working party/

Your assertion has no basis in reality.

I wish you would stop...no good can come of Bashing Gillibrand.

There is several getting ready to run for her seat; at least 5.

And it didn't keep Kerry from getting the nomination in 2004, after winning reelection in 2002.

former Sect of Japan; current Mayor of NY, a former Mayor of NY who may change party and a group to get support for Puerto Rico.

beat her as a Dem. I would love to see Hill take over Schumer's job. Hill would not let a lynch mob go wild. Plus, she would whup some Repub arses.

Anyway, my money is on Anyone But Guillibrand.

In 2016, Schumer's vote total was more than a half million greater than Hillary's. And she was running against a crazy man.

She's not running. Gillibrand will cruise to victory in 2018 and Schumer will do the same in 2022.

There is no one with statewide appeal out there even thinking about running against Gillibrand. And it's unlikely that anyone will be taking on Schumer in 2022.

So I'll go with definitely not over "maybe."

The primary candidates you suggest will keep her from getting the nomination are figments of your imagination

The "former Sect of Japan"? Presumably you mean ambassador -- i.e., Caroline Kennedy.
The current Mayor of NY -- Bill de Blasio
A former Mayor of NY who may change party and a group to get support for Puerto Rico -- Michael Bloomberg

de Blasio (who just was re-elected Mayor, and thus, by your logic, would be hampered if abandoned his post to run for higher office just a few months later) and Bloomberg are popular in NYC, but not nearly that popular statewide. Neither will run against Gillibrand. And Kennedy might have statewide appeal, but she isn't going to run either. You can take it to the bank.
The deadline for filing to be a candidate in the primary is in April and the primary is in June. If one of these folks was seriously considering a run, we'd know about it by now.

Other than an activist Dentist with no name recognition or cash, no names are being circulated.

Duvall Street in the Keys. Don’t tell them I sent you. Tell them you need to talk to the Lobster Roll.

I hope Hillary primaries her, actually.

Forget about anything above that.

3 of our most effective Democratic leaders. It is defending the party.

reacquaint yourself with the rules and TOS. I only know them because I was alerted on over 'bashing' a Dem and I said much much less than you.

is not bashing, IMO. I would only alert on trolls or Real Bashers.

to do is win that appeal baby!!!!!!

Gillebrand is not being attacked for her stand on Franken. THAT is just toeing the party line like dozens of other Democratic senators.

Gillebrand is being attacked for having the audacity to confront one of the "other" Democrats, the one still seen by many here as one of "our most effective leaders" even after his political philosophy has cost us three elections and whose revered status has made our claims of standing with the victims of sexual harassment seem hollow.

with consenting adults. The Repubs gunned for him for years, and Hillary. The Repubs are rabid dogs. Newt was parading piously around while he's cheating on his wife, and preaching about Clinton.

I don't condone what he did, but it is over. G needs to be going after the Abuser in Chief, but she doesn't have the courage, so she takes out a Dem, former comedian, really good person, to get him out of her way.

or, for that matter, anyone else, going after Franken because saying that what he has even been accused of doing merits anything more than a short apology makes us look ridiculous to the overwhelming majority of all voters and even a solid majority of a combination of Demcratic and Independent women voters. That being said, they are all doing nothing more than continuing the completely ineffective strategy of trying to attract white female voters by assuming the role of the party of values. She is no worse than the others who cling to the 90's belief that white suburban women hold the key to electoral victory.

Notwithstanding being a non-fan, I have to add that she has gone after Trump every bit as hard as anyone in our party.

As for the apologetics for Bill, anyone who has spent one day litigating civil rights issues knows that neither Lewinski nor Jones are considered "consenting adults" for the purpose of sexual harassment. When we say in one breath that he was punished and in the next that he did nothing wrong (other than to his own family) it should come as no surprise that we have no credibility except when Republicans drop a pedophile or a rapist in our laps.

mostly sexual harassment. This is one reason I know that what Al did was a comedian's prank, consistent with the "usual workplace banter," in which he worked. Total BS. However, I realize that you aren't taking down Al.

Nonetheless, I agree with part of what you say.
Remember Linda Tripp, recording Lewinsky, for the Repubs, and telling her how to nab Bill Clinton. She was an aggressive consenting adult. He acted in a most disgusting way. That is a closed chapter. He did his time.

Even the photo is nothing . .
oddly enough, hostile environments actually have to be hostile.

As for Bill, you understand and I won't push it anymore. I also agree that, anywhere but a political arena where he still insists on playing, it would indeed be over.

Take care

How are you measuring effectiveness? And who are the other 2?

Get a grip!

post removed for less so I was just trying to warn you...someone may alert ! But you have a nice night as I've got a grip that I need to get to getting.

And what might constitute democratic bashing.
I approve of dissent.

Do you understand that?

I have disagreed with opinions. Not sure what got your tidy whities in a twist.

allow it. I well remember lurking and seeing Obama called a 'used car salesmen'.

I have never understood how some thinks attacking something makes it stronger...it doesn't.

We need to figure things out and get better at kicking out Repubs...and stop kicking out Dems, for Repub ramped up BS.

or voting for our candidates...turn your attention to the GOP...and we will win...keep harping on the 'faults' of Democrats and continue to lose. Great strategy criticising Democrats, if one's goal is to elect Republicans.

Thanks for alerting on another thread, BTW.

Are you a cop in real life?

But I've had 2 posts hidden tonight myself.

If she runs for pres., I don't picture her winning the nomination. This is before and after Franken. I don't think her stance on Al Franken helps or hurts her.

She has done good work in the senate, but so have other senators.

She could do well in the NY presidential primary. If it is early in the election cycle, it could improve her chances.

I just think we will have better, more inspiring candidates in 2020.

She has not been a shining light in the senate.
Her attempt at greatness with Franken has been a total destructive force to her campaign.

Vote for her again. No Hillary and Bill to prop her up this time. Stabbing other Dems eventually catches up with you.

She was very right wing at the beginning because of the district that she came from in upstate New York.
Not so sure she really shifted from that aside from fake dem front.
She talks the talk but not so sure she walks the walk.
For me, she will have to do a shit load of contrition before she gets my vote again.

Might not be happy but will swallow my bile and pull the lever.
Or, now, fill in the bubble.

...if it is her or Dotard, I will, reluctantly, but I will die to keep her from being our nominee.

Remember Al
and Hillary
and Bill
and Guns
and no due process

pro-gun and was for other Blue Dog positions. I don't trust her as a Dem especially after going after Franken. It seems she blows with the political wind.

Cook rates her as SAFE D, and the Democrats have no viable candidate, (Much less someone to run against Gov. Cuomo). Outside of DU, nobody in NY is talking about the Franken story.

Gillibarnd has $8.7 million in the bank. The three repubs who have announced have less than a thousand bucks between them.

There's very precious little time to make the filing deadline for the primaries, have you heard of anyone looking to primary her? She'll get token opposition in the primary and the general. And numerous people have stayed in the Senate and still run presidential campaigns. Barack Obama is only the latest example.

Don't care for her either.

If he/she has a "D" behind his/her name, I'm voting for them!