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babylonsister

(171,100 posts)
Wed Jan 3, 2018, 05:49 PM Jan 2018

Charles P. Pierce: What Bannon Has Over the Trumps

http://www.esquire.com/news-politics/politics/a14538853/what-bannon-has-over-trump/

What Bannon Has Over the Trumps
He's smarter, and he wants to burn it all down even more than they do.

By Charles P. Pierce
Jan 3, 2018


It should be clear by now that the only real political talent possessed by Steve Bannon is his ability to take the usual political norms, shred them into slivers, and throw the whole mess up in front of an electric fan. He did that by helping elect the current president*, who has that same talent by the bucketful. He did that by promoting the Gadsden Mall Creeper in Alabama right up until the night before Roy Moore got pounded by Doug Jones, who was sworn in on Wednesday as the Democratic junior senator from Alabama. And now, according to a new book by Michael Wolff, Bannon apparently has decided that it’s time to bring the temple down on his own head, just for laughs. From The Guardian:

The meeting was revealed by the New York Times in July last year, prompting Trump Jr to say no consequential material was produced. Soon after, Wolff writes, Bannon remarked mockingly: “The three senior guys in the campaign thought it was a good idea to meet with a foreign government inside Trump Tower in the conference room on the 25th floor – with no lawyers. They didn’t have any lawyers. “Even if you thought that this was not treasonous, or unpatriotic, or bad shit, and I happen to think it’s all of that, you should have called the FBI immediately.” Bannon went on, Wolff writes, to say that if any such meeting had to take place, it should have been set up “in a Holiday Inn in Manchester, New Hampshire, with your lawyers who meet with these people”. Any information, he said, could then be “dump[ed] … down to Breitbart or something like that, or maybe some other more legitimate publication”. Bannon added: “You never see it, you never know it, because you don’t need to … But that’s the brain trust that they had.”


It has been clear for a while that the Trump spalpeens, and Jared Kushner, the golden-child spalpeen-in-law, had no use for Bannon and that they probably are more than partly responsible for shoving the master strategist off the Truman Balcony. Bannon also apparently was quite plain about the peril presented by Robert Mueller to the president* as well.

Bannon has criticised Trump’s decision to fire Comey. In Wolff’s book, obtained by the Guardian ahead of publication from a bookseller in New England, he suggests White House hopes for a quick end to the Mueller investigation are gravely misplaced. “You realise where this is going,” he is quoted as saying. “This is all about money laundering. Mueller chose [senior prosecutor Andrew] Weissmann first and he is a money-laundering guy. Their path to fucking Trump goes right through Paul Manafort, Don Jr and Jared Kushner … It’s as plain as a hair on your face.” Last month it was reported that federal prosecutors had subpoenaed records from Deutsche Bank, the German financial institution that has lent hundreds of millions of dollars to the Kushner property empire. Bannon continues: “It goes through Deutsche Bank and all the Kushner shit. The Kushner shit is greasy. They’re going to go right through that. They’re going to roll those two guys up and say play me or trade me.”


(Speaking of Jared, he brought the whole stupid sampler tray out the other day while talking about his bungled attempts at foreign policy. From Politico:

“He told me, ‘I’m a businessman, and I don’t care about the past. Old allies can be enemies, or enemies can be friends,’ so the past doesn’t count,” one official told the magazine. “I was taken aback. It was frightening.”


Yeah, he’s such a businessman that he’s stuck with one of the biggest white elephants in the history of Manhattan real-estate. I’d certainly hand him the keys to NATO.)

The problem Bannon’s newfound candor presents to this White House is a simple one. He’s smarter than most of them are, including the president*. He is better at burning things down than they are because he does very little of it by accident. His talent for destruction is more finely honed and he is a man of no political conscience whatsoever, and now he has very little to lose. He also is someone who prospered in both high finance and in Hollywood, two places where having the essential humanity of a wolverine is a positive advantage.

The Trumps et. al., including the president*, were raised in an atmosphere in which nobody was around to tell them that they couldn’t do X, or that they shouldn’t do Y. This left them unprepared for someone like Bannon who, for all his faults, truly and deeply appears not to give a green shit about anything or anybody. And now, alas for the administration, the piper has shown up at the door, demanding payment.

Scorning apparent White House insouciance, Bannon reaches for a hurricane metaphor: “They’re sitting on a beach trying to stop a Category Five.”

He also has a gift for metaphor. Here, from New York, is the entire excerpt. Read in awe and wonder.

http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2018/01/michael-wolff-fire-and-fury-book-donald-trump.html?utm_campaign=nym&utm_source=tw&utm_medium=s1
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Charles P. Pierce: What Bannon Has Over the Trumps (Original Post) babylonsister Jan 2018 OP
K&R Scurrilous Jan 2018 #1
K&R uponit7771 Jan 2018 #2
I think bannon knows drumpf is going to prison Takket Jan 2018 #3
I like this metaphor.. hope it's true Cha Jan 2018 #7
I hope a few (R) members of Congress NewJeffCT Jan 2018 #11
Yes! Get what they deserve. Cha Jan 2018 #13
SWEET! A great day made even greater by the musings of Charlie Pierce! calimary Jan 2018 #4
Damn he writes beautifully malaise Jan 2018 #18
Spalpeen. . . . . . nt Bernardo de La Paz Jan 2018 #5
I am yet to look that one up. House of Roberts Jan 2018 #8
I was stonkered by it so I had to look it up myself. . . . nt Bernardo de La Paz Jan 2018 #14
"Rascal" ProudLib72 Jan 2018 #19
Ummmm what's that story about the snake that this piece of crap trash liked to tell on the Kirk Lover Jan 2018 #6
Bannon vs. The "family". BigmanPigman Jan 2018 #9
And while they are all into 'buring things down' all I can envision is the rest of us Maeve Jan 2018 #10
K&R. Count on Charlie Pierce to distill things to their essence. (nt) Paladin Jan 2018 #12
Only 1 thing crazier than believing bannon/trump could run the white house: The GOP senate/house lindysalsagal Jan 2018 #15
K&R mobeau69 Jan 2018 #16
This country is soooo fucked by this ignoramus and his enablers Zorro Jan 2018 #17
K&R gademocrat7 Jan 2018 #20
Why did Bannon betray his "loyalty" pledge? Juliusseizure Jan 2018 #21
Why did Bannon betray his loyalty pledge? Juliusseizure Jan 2018 #22
"spalpeens" so far I've learned one new word :) BadGimp Jan 2018 #23

Takket

(21,640 posts)
3. I think bannon knows drumpf is going to prison
Wed Jan 3, 2018, 07:15 PM
Jan 2018

And I think bannon wants to run for president himself on the platform of "I'll give you everything drumpf promised, but in not a Russian agent. "

Cha

(297,774 posts)
7. I like this metaphor.. hope it's true
Wed Jan 3, 2018, 07:37 PM
Jan 2018
“They’re sitting on a beach trying to stop a Category Five.”

calimary

(81,523 posts)
4. SWEET! A great day made even greater by the musings of Charlie Pierce!
Wed Jan 3, 2018, 07:29 PM
Jan 2018

One of my favorite political commentmeisters.

 

Kirk Lover

(3,608 posts)
6. Ummmm what's that story about the snake that this piece of crap trash liked to tell on the
Wed Jan 3, 2018, 07:35 PM
Jan 2018

trail???

FUCK YOU TRASHBAG TRUMPS.

BigmanPigman

(51,638 posts)
9. Bannon vs. The "family".
Wed Jan 3, 2018, 07:39 PM
Jan 2018

This could get interesting on a larger scale quickly. Messing with the moron's family is a declaration of war as far as he is concerned.

Maeve

(42,292 posts)
10. And while they are all into 'buring things down' all I can envision is the rest of us
Wed Jan 3, 2018, 07:47 PM
Jan 2018

Sitting with a fire extinguisher, trying to keep them from destroying the country (think babysitter Kari trying to keep Jack-Jack Incredible from igniting)



Go to about 2:45 for the scene I mean

lindysalsagal

(20,741 posts)
15. Only 1 thing crazier than believing bannon/trump could run the white house: The GOP senate/house
Wed Jan 3, 2018, 08:14 PM
Jan 2018

hiding under the covers and pretending they don't have to remove these fools.

If the dems are serious about saving the country, they'll pose repeated public demands that the gop impeach him and his whole cancerous family.

They cannot actually think they can pretend everything's fine at penn. ave.

Juliusseizure

(562 posts)
21. Why did Bannon betray his "loyalty" pledge?
Wed Jan 3, 2018, 09:01 PM
Jan 2018

That's my first question.

This could be a very rare time Trump was out-Trumped.

He's so used to using/manipulating people with his celebrity, and then kicking them to the curb when they're not useful. Bannon telling him to f*** off, calling him an idiot, calling them traitors as the ship is sinking (and giving the ship a nice shove forward), and doing it FIRST...seems to have come as a real unpleasant surprise.



Juliusseizure

(562 posts)
22. Why did Bannon betray his loyalty pledge?
Wed Jan 3, 2018, 09:02 PM
Jan 2018

That's my first question.

This could be a very rare time Trump was out-Trumped.

He's so used to using/manipulating people with his celebrity, and then kicking them to the curb when they're not useful. Bannon telling him to f*** off, calling him an idiot, calling them traitors as the ship is sinking (and giving the ship a nice shove forward), and doing it FIRST...seems to have come as a real unpleasant surprise.



BadGimp

(4,019 posts)
23. "spalpeens" so far I've learned one new word :)
Wed Jan 3, 2018, 11:35 PM
Jan 2018

spalpeens

2. Irish A good-for-nothing person, often used so-named during a good humored ridicule.

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