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sad sally

(2,627 posts)
Sun Jan 1, 2012, 06:57 PM Jan 2012

Keeping drone costs, kill strikes and who's running their operations a secret - a good thing?

Daily Times Monitor

LAHORE: Tensions are quietly increasing between the White House and some congressional leaders over access to sensitive information about the government’s use of drones in Pakistan and Yemen, write Adam Entous and Siobhan Gorman in Wall Street Journal, quoting officials.

The White House has brushed aside requests for information from lawmakers, who argue that the strikes, carried out secretly by the Central Intelligence Agency and the military’s Joint Special Operations Command, have broad implications for US policy but don’t receive adequate oversight.

Some current and former administration, military and congressional officials point to what they see as significant oversight gaps, in part because few lawmakers have full access to information about the drone strikes. Lawmakers on Congress’s intelligence committees are privy to information about all CIA and military intelligence operations, but members of at least two other panels want insight on the drone programme.
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While few US lawmakers question the effectiveness of the targeted killing campaigns, some top lawmakers complain about what they see as excessive White House secrecy about how targets are chosen and how the administration justified the killings, particularly of American citizens.

http://www.dailytimes.com.pk/default.asp?page=2011%5C12%5C31%5Cstory_31-12-2011_pg7_7?du

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and in case there's a belief that it's only military or CIA operations running the drone "programs," we learn that the government contracts out killings.
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WASHINGTON — After a U.S. airstrike mistakenly killed at least 15 Afghans in 2010, the Army officer investigating the accident was surprised to discover that an American civilian had played a central role: analyzing video feeds from a Predator drone keeping watch from above.

The contractor had overseen other analysts at Air Force Special Operations Command at Hurlburt Field in Florida as the drone tracked suspected insurgents near a small unit of U.S. soldiers in rugged hills in central Afghanistan. Based partly on her analysis, an Army captain ordered an airstrike on a convoy that turned out to be carrying innocent men, women and children.

"What company do you work for?" Maj. Gen. Timothy McHale demanded of the contractor after he learned that she was not in the military, according to a transcript obtained under the Freedom of Information Act.
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"Our No. 1 manning problem in the Air Force is manning our unmanned platforms," said Gen. Philip M. Breedlove, Air Force vice chief of staff. Without civilian contractors, U.S. drone operations would grind to a halt.

Read more here: http://www.mcclatchydc.com/2011/12/29/134436/contractors-role-grows-in-drone.html#storylink=cpy?du

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Keeping drone costs, kill strikes and who's running their operations a secret - a good thing? (Original Post) sad sally Jan 2012 OP
With drones comes the ultimate anonymity of the battlefield Puzzledtraveller Jan 2012 #1
Those aren't real people they are killing. It's just a video game to them. kestrel91316 Jan 2012 #2
War was better before the invention of the catapult? Robb Jan 2012 #3
Obama's bible only has nine commandments nt msongs Jan 2012 #9
What is the difference in delivering an explosive by drone Downwinder Jan 2012 #4
if I could rec a post SixthSense Jan 2012 #5
We can't fight terrorism by becoming terrorists. sad sally Jan 2012 #6
I have said that if terrorist's had drones..... Logical Jan 2012 #7
True NewImproved Deal Jan 2012 #8

Puzzledtraveller

(5,937 posts)
1. With drones comes the ultimate anonymity of the battlefield
Sun Jan 1, 2012, 07:00 PM
Jan 2012

as someone in a control center and a joystick can kill with little insult to the conscience. Cowardly and sad.

Robb

(39,665 posts)
3. War was better before the invention of the catapult?
Sun Jan 1, 2012, 07:09 PM
Jan 2012

Or arrows? Bullets? Cruise missiles?

The notion of standoff weapons being "cowardly" is an argument from someone who's never been glad as hell the guy you're shooting at didn't get any closer.

It's swords at dawn, then?

sad sally

(2,627 posts)
6. We can't fight terrorism by becoming terrorists.
Sun Jan 1, 2012, 07:31 PM
Jan 2012

We can't end terrorism by using the methods of terrorism to bomb and destroy. Violence in response to violence can only lead to further violence. Jesus taught us that as the soldiers were dragging him away to his death when he said, Those who live by the sword, will die by the sword. Gandhi taught us that when he said, An eye for an eye only makes the whole world blind.

Peace, oh how I long for peace on this Earth we travel on...

 

Logical

(22,457 posts)
7. I have said that if terrorist's had drones.....
Sun Jan 1, 2012, 07:56 PM
Jan 2012

they would not need car bombs or people bombs or IEDs.

They use those because that is all they have.

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