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EXACTLY (Original Post) kpete Jan 2018 OP
Thank you, David Frum! Cha Jan 2018 #1
We are officially a banana republic. Phoenix61 Jan 2018 #2
We are better than this bdamomma Jan 2018 #8
We are not better than this if we are not "in the streets marching." pangaia Jan 2018 #29
Sage words and scary times we live in. BigmanPigman Jan 2018 #3
I've felt that for quite some time Jarqui Jan 2018 #4
what a Bizarro world.... dhill926 Jan 2018 #5
I wouldn't go that far... Wounded Bear Jan 2018 #9
... and we call them "conservatives" DemocracyMouse Jan 2018 #6
Their fortunes. lagomorph777 Jan 2018 #21
It's also & maybe more to discredit the dossier among the wobbly middle Bernardo de La Paz Jan 2018 #7
+1000000 Duppers Jan 2018 #10
Yes!!! HurricaneWarning Jan 2018 #14
I'll be there! ... Duppers Jan 2018 #15
Rachel is very scary right now. n/t rainin Jan 2018 #11
That's the truth. Duppers Jan 2018 #18
K&R smirkymonkey Jan 2018 #12
A little logic here.... KY_EnviroGuy Jan 2018 #13
in a nutshell kpete Jan 2018 #17
And easily brainwashed voters. Duppers Jan 2018 #19
Brainwashed by extreme right-wing media moguls.... KY_EnviroGuy Jan 2018 #20
Yes. Good point. Duppers Jan 2018 #22
Congrats, black sheep Duppers! KY_EnviroGuy Jan 2018 #23
people are asleep pangaia Jan 2018 #30
The coup of your system of justice is anything but soft, imo. arthritisR_US Jan 2018 #24
K & R. Agreed, and with little media attention. KY_EnviroGuy Jan 2018 #25
Let me help David here... SHRED Jan 2018 #16
+1 dalton99a Jan 2018 #28
BANG !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! pangaia Jan 2018 #31
Using OUR DOJ to criminalize for power duforsure Jan 2018 #26
NOT HIM ----REPUBLICANS !!!! pangaia Jan 2018 #32
Bingo dalton99a Jan 2018 #27
And, as Joe conason predicted on Joy Reids show today, could lead to the end of democracy Gabi Hayes Jan 2018 #33
Frum, please call that "system of power" by its name: the Republican Party. SunSeeker Jan 2018 #34
Fucking A+ spanone Jan 2018 #35
As a very wise man once told me.... SergeStorms Jan 2018 #36
No, it is the dimwits who voted for Trump, and the refusal of Congressional Republicans Nitram Jan 2018 #37

Phoenix61

(17,006 posts)
2. We are officially a banana republic.
Fri Jan 5, 2018, 08:14 PM
Jan 2018

How the hell did this happen? Why aren't we in the streets marching? I'm am so disappointed. We are so much better than this.

bdamomma

(63,868 posts)
8. We are better than this
Fri Jan 5, 2018, 09:49 PM
Jan 2018

I think the pressure cooker is ready to pop!! It will be a matter of time (if we have time) to get out in the streets!!!!! Let them take something else from Americans.

dhill926

(16,339 posts)
5. what a Bizarro world....
Fri Jan 5, 2018, 09:29 PM
Jan 2018

where I'm a big fan of Frum. He's intelligent and well spoken....glad he's returned from the dark side...

DemocracyMouse

(2,275 posts)
6. ... and we call them "conservatives"
Fri Jan 5, 2018, 09:42 PM
Jan 2018

What are they actually conserving? They are undermining the Constitution, the environment, civility, children's health...

Bernardo de La Paz

(49,002 posts)
7. It's also & maybe more to discredit the dossier among the wobbly middle
Fri Jan 5, 2018, 09:42 PM
Jan 2018

They want the charges out there now. They don't care if anything is done later. They just want to keep the idea of "dossier = bad" in front of the public. And the news media will go along with it.


Every step will be shouted with a bullhorn at 11 pm. Steele will not appear, so they will try to block him getting a visa. News at 11. They will try to seize his assets. News at 11. They will try to seize his records. News at 11.

News at 11. It's Benghazi all Benghazi about Benghazi making Benghazi the Benghazi wobbly Benghazi middle Benghazi waver Benghazi on Benghazi the Benghazi dossier Benghazi. News at 11. To Benghazi make Benghazi them Benghazi say Benghazi "the Benghazi dossier Benghazi must Benghazi be Benghazi garbage Benghazi because Benghazi a Benghazi Senator Benghazi wants Benghazi to Benghazi charge Benghazi the Benghazi guy Benghazi for Benghazi lying". News at 11.

Duppers

(28,125 posts)
10. +1000000
Fri Jan 5, 2018, 10:34 PM
Jan 2018

Watching Rachel. I don't have words for the summary of the political status she's presenting. I knew all of this but she's presented all of it together, back to back, and it's overwhelming. If something BIG doesn't change SOON, our democracy is over.


HurricaneWarning

(220 posts)
14. Yes!!!
Fri Jan 5, 2018, 10:55 PM
Jan 2018

Rachel is putting it all together. Time to hit the streets on January 20! Make it bigger and better than last year's march.

KY_EnviroGuy

(14,492 posts)
13. A little logic here....
Fri Jan 5, 2018, 10:47 PM
Jan 2018

Quote: "it is the system of power that enables him".

Hypothesis: Money = Power.

Therefore: "it is the system of money that enables him".

Test of the logic: Who are Trump's most effective supporters?

Answer: Billionaires (Mercers, Kochs, Murdochs, etc.)

............

Duppers

(28,125 posts)
19. And easily brainwashed voters.
Fri Jan 5, 2018, 11:15 PM
Jan 2018

Their insane base. The crooked lawmakers count on that in order to keep their jobs.

KY_EnviroGuy

(14,492 posts)
20. Brainwashed by extreme right-wing media moguls....
Sat Jan 6, 2018, 03:50 AM
Jan 2018

such as Murdoch and Sinclair....who are in turn funded by that very base of citizens. Ironic?

This is a soft coup against our government by ultra-rich people we can't even know or see!


Duppers

(28,125 posts)
22. Yes. Good point.
Sat Jan 6, 2018, 04:12 AM
Jan 2018

But just by being informed (thanks to the press) we do have a clue to what's happening and who is pulling the strings. And, we've listened to their propaganda and knew it was bogus. Why does it appeal to some?

I grew in a red state and in a Republican family but knew they were full of it before I entered college.

Why are some folks so easily brainwashed? Like my conforming parents, they're idiots?


- proud black sheep of the family

KY_EnviroGuy

(14,492 posts)
23. Congrats, black sheep Duppers!
Sat Jan 6, 2018, 05:38 AM
Jan 2018

I didn't grow up around many Republicans at all in the 50s and 60s and the few I knew were some of the wealthiest in my tiny country town. They were all very moderate compared to most of those we see today. One could even reason with them. I became interested in science at an early age, so keeping my mind open came naturally and my university time enhanced that tremendously.

I think the big difference these days is the lack of innate (or learned) curiosity and no raw, instinctive desire for education I see in many people. If one has a healthy natural curiosity about all things along with a healthy basic education, one will ask a lot of probing questions and also naturally look at all sides of any question. Without those things, we can very easily be brainwashed by charlatans having all sorts of motives.

As you said, the information needed to make logical, well-informed decisions is out there and pretty much free on-line. However, that also means doing some very studious, boring reading and we now live in a world saturated with sensationalism, disinformation and deceit. Everyone now seems to just want to be entertained 24/7. That's the perfect setting for an economic coup by the plutocrats and I fear we're near that point now.

...................

pangaia

(24,324 posts)
30. people are asleep
Sat Jan 6, 2018, 12:57 PM
Jan 2018

So, they never question anything, beginning with themselves.. never look to see into something, starting with themselves, never look to find truth, especially in themselves....

duforsure

(11,885 posts)
26. Using OUR DOJ to criminalize for power
Sat Jan 6, 2018, 10:38 AM
Jan 2018

A President abusing his powers by making the DOJ for only his ideology by going after anyone not bowing down to him should scare the hell out of everyone. Next, President Obama, Comey, Mueller, Wolfe, Journalists, business ceo's, and on and on. He's corrupting our government more every day he's allowed to be in office. Him and with the help of Republicans. Trump wants the Department Of Trump's Justice.

pangaia

(24,324 posts)
32. NOT HIM ----REPUBLICANS !!!!
Sat Jan 6, 2018, 12:59 PM
Jan 2018

We need to beat this home..

It is Republicans who are to blame.......

yes, the media, and russians, blah blah blah,,'but REPUBLICANS!!!!!!!!!!

 

Gabi Hayes

(28,795 posts)
33. And, as Joe conason predicted on Joy Reids show today, could lead to the end of democracy
Sat Jan 6, 2018, 01:04 PM
Jan 2018

They were discussing the current incarnation of the hunting of the clintons

Nitram

(22,803 posts)
37. No, it is the dimwits who voted for Trump, and the refusal of Congressional Republicans
Sat Jan 6, 2018, 08:00 PM
Jan 2018

to honor their oath of office.

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