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eleny

(46,166 posts)
Sat Jan 6, 2018, 01:07 AM Jan 2018

"Just doing things became the Bannon principle, ...

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...the sweeping antidote to bureaucratic and establishment ennui and resistance. It was the chaos of just doing things that actually got things done. Except, even if you assumed that not knowing how to do things didn't much matter if you just did them, it was still not clear who was going to do what you wanted to do. Or, a corollary, because nobody in the Trump administration really knew how to do anything, it was therefore not clear what anyone did.

Sean Spicer, whose job was literally to explain what people did and why, often simply could not – because nobody really had a job, because nobody could do a job.”

The above is an excerpt from page 64 of the kindle format of the book, Fire and Fury : Inside The Trump White House by Michael Wolff.

This sounds like a version of an Abbot and Costello bit. Who's on first, what's on second and I don't know who woke up on third base thinking they won the election.

What do you want to be or a nurse? Do you walk to school or take your lunch? Is this any way to run a government, I ask you.

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eleny

(46,166 posts)
2. Thank you so very, very much - this book has me rattled!
Sat Jan 6, 2018, 01:49 AM
Jan 2018

Btw, one more note. Wolff also shares that Jared calls his father "daddy" in business meetings. Endearing but it also makes me uncomfortable about him all the more. His father, Charles Kushner, is also supposed have a personality similar to Fred Trump's.

This book must be making the subjects furious.

Laffy Kat

(16,383 posts)
5. Thanks. I did read the VF piece when it came out.
Sat Jan 6, 2018, 02:31 AM
Jan 2018

Still have it somewhere. Some of the best journalism around.

eleny

(46,166 posts)
9. The Jared chapter is interesting and somewhat sad
Sat Jan 6, 2018, 04:00 AM
Jan 2018

I thought Jared and Donald's relationship was more respectful. If the book details are true, then Trump can be a real louse towards his son in law. Not that I give a fu-fu about Kushner. But it's tough to read about how Kushner tried to bring about rapprochement between Mexico and the U.S. shortly after the inauguration but Trump pretty much burned that attempt to the ground with a tweet.

So far, the book is kinder to Ivanka. So far he treats her story gentler than anyone else's.

tblue37

(65,394 posts)
6. I usually called my father "Daddy," and we weren't even that close. Oddly enough, Mom was
Sat Jan 6, 2018, 02:43 AM
Jan 2018

always " Mom," not "Mommy" or "Mama."

Laffy Kat

(16,383 posts)
7. Are you female? I've noticed the "Daddy" endearment is more common with girls and women.
Sat Jan 6, 2018, 02:48 AM
Jan 2018

I think I gradually starting going with Mom and Dad in my teens. Oddly, after I had kids I had them call my father by his first name and starting doing the same thing. It felt right by then.

Wounded Bear

(58,662 posts)
11. Yeah, my mid thirties daughter still calls me Daddy...
Sat Jan 6, 2018, 12:21 PM
Jan 2018

I allow it as not creepy at all. It may be sexist, but from a middle aged man, it is kind of creepy.

eleny

(46,166 posts)
8. Joe Biden kissed his sons and called them honey
Sat Jan 6, 2018, 03:53 AM
Jan 2018

He was proud of his close family and made no secret of how they communicated with each other. I thought it was nice.

But in a business meeting with associates present? I guess that's where I draw the line and would want to be viewed as an adult in the room even if I was a bosses son.

Laffy Kat

(16,383 posts)
10. Yes, I agree.
Sat Jan 6, 2018, 12:13 PM
Jan 2018

Even though I stopped with the Daddy and Mommy in my teens, I still have adult friends who do it and it's sweet, but a SIL in business environment is, IMO, strange and flaunting the nepotism.

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