Targeted Bernie supporters with anti-HRC propaganda. Maybe if you can show him that kind of info he will realize he was played just as much as the pro-Trumpsters were.

A year ago I was helping him get engaged when he waz so down. This HRC stuff all happened very recently. I will ask my brother, his dad, but doubt that he understands. Seems to be a pattern for some Bernie supporters though.

I watched Michelle Wolf, Bill Burr And Dave Chappelle's recent comedy specials. They all trashed HRC differently. Burr went after her hardest, calling her "the devil". Chappelle was actually the most generous. Wolf just says she doesn't like her. Well, this is our pop culture doing some effective dirty work. And all they're doing is being honest about how they feel. And they all hate trump.

Real or just stirring the pot,
it's time to move on and get over 2016.

We've got primaries and a fall election coming up.

“He joined an anti fascist group“

Btw TYT’s Jimmy Dore just released a “Clinton Colluded With Russia” screed so let’s not pretend that conspiracy-theory minded self-identified progressives don’t exist.

Clinton Colluded With Russia To Smear Trump During Election

Reading and stuff.

Thanks!

This is a hard task for me. I even recommended he join DU. Sent him the link and all, but don't think he did.

Maybe I should send him this link....

plenty of Bernie-or-busters who believe any right-wing CT that is against Democrats.

The OP is talking about current interactions with her nephew, has nothing specifically to do with 2016.

My nephew is smart, but not really cut out for the 21st century economy. He joined an anti-fascist group that was promoting a national day of protest last November 4th. Left when they became more like "ANTI-FA".

I think he was trying to be proactive. But now seems content to merely protest.

Here's the link to this discussion.
https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=10155225660920036&id=501560035

My nephew tried an environmental group and one that was a local Dem group in San Diego. They weren't doing enough to hold his interest and somehow he has now put me in his enemy camp by insisting I equate HRC with Stein or Trump.

I think DU needed to keep a forum open for these people who have splintered off. We aren't nearly out of the woods yet. So many Democratic voters in the OC are passionate about Bernie, no matter what he says to get them to focus on the issues before them. My nephew is a prime example.

Time to move on.
2016 is so 'yesterday'.

We've got new battles to fight in 2018.

Once people get hooked on conspiracy theories it is pretty hard to reach them.

Then he got defensive. I don't want to go down these rabbit holes with him. But I feel a certain responsibility for keeping him engaged on facts that matter. I posted the link to his post.

Can you read this?
https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=10155225660920036&id=501560035

All my best wishes to both you and your nephew

Thanks for your input.

Shocking.

Grad students. That free tuition thing made them believe anything including HRC as an evil member of "the other".

if nobody talks about it.

College: reality.

See the difference?

Free college--common in the civilized world--is "empty talk" and forever out of reach in the richest country in the history of the world.
Live in your reality if you like, you seem to revel in it. Some of us prefer to think a little bigger.

Bye now.

Burlington College fiasco just LOVE Bernie

I wonder how those "communists" manage it?

As was pointed out recently: we can't afford to educate our children, rebuild our infrastructure or provide medical care to our people so what exactly are they "defending"?

Was the biggest issue. And honestly when you ask them what other issues they care about they grasp at sound bites- why Wall Street? They’re not sure, but again it’s aboht more money on their pockets. They’d be as easily swayed by lower taxes. Not impressed.

Many of these kids insulate their naivete with, "Bernie would a beat trump." or "Clinton would have been worse."

That's why I brought this up here. This is new stuff. It scares me.

inflicting us with trump. Is he old enough to remember how they swift boated Kerry. What they did to Max Cleland?

Does he understand that they have been doing that to Hillary for over 25 years?

I answered his question equating Stein taking money from Russia, vs HRC record on Wall Street votes. Pointed out there is no comparison when it comes to Putin election interference. He has not responded since.

My last reply:

"No. I believe it was wrong of her to take Putin/oligarch money because they are a murderous and corrupt regime bent on undermining western democracies - hence involvement in Brexit, our election and France's and Germany's among others. We are more gullible. And France's Macron and Merkel are now the future of the Free World."

My Congressional rep is Rohrabacher. We are more up to date on Putin's actions than most.

Other than being obnoxious, what difference does your nephew’s opinion about Hillary matter? She’s not going to jail (because she hasn’t done anything illegal), she’s not running for office.

Arguing with a liberal family member over the foreign policy paradigm of the retired Secretary of State from a decade ago seems a little silly. We’ve all got bigger, oranger fish to fry.

primary.

Can’t do quote marks in thread titles, so should read:

”Clinton Foundation” style CT

It's no accident that he's not coming back home decrying Trump. They've got him harping on Hillary instead.

I posted articles and he won't get past my not answering a question equating Stein with HRC.

If he doesn't admit Russia is undermining western democracies to help himself and his oil buddies, I will have to tell him he is being too stubborn for his own good.

If you won't listen to soft persuasion, hit him in the face with the raw realities of what has happened to the country and world since Trump got elected curtesy of people like him, everything that he claims is important to him has been set back a decade or more.

I hoped I'd learned enough to be persuasive. He's only recently stumbled into conspiracyville.

Could end up causing lots of people to lose their lives. Time to find out whether he has even a shred of humanity in him.

His heart is in the right place. He has no drive or direction yet he has an artist's soul. Tricky combo.

I don't know how old your nephew is (or if he likes to read), but when a relative sent me a book list when I was 20, it really changed my life. Probably a silly idea -- you can lead a horse to water but you can't make it drink. A much better use of time for someone with an artist's soul. I'd start with:

Sartre's "Nausea" (and existentialism in general)
Henry Miller's "Tropic of Cancer"
Knut Hamsun's "Hunger"
Joris Karl Huysmans' "Against the Grain"
Dostoevsky's "Notes from Underground"
Vincent Van Gogh's "Letters to Theo"
Schopenhauer's "Studies in Pessimism"
Flaubert's "Sentimental Education"
The Communist Manifesto

Glad you are keeping the conversation going.

Sometimes when someone is really upset about something, as he apparently is about whatever he thinks HRC did, you have to listen and listen and listen to them and reflect back so they know you've heard them before they can hear anything you are trying to say. Maybe say something like, "I can understand why raising the minimum wage in Haiti would be important to you. It's important to me, too." Or find something else where you can truthfully say that what he is saying makes sense to you, even if you have to couch it in "I can understand why you'd be angry at HRC if you thought that she..." Maybe you have to go through a fair amount of that before you can get to a discussion about how politicians have to sometimes give up something important in order to get something even more important, and how good people can sometimes vote for something that, on the face of it, seems awful.

It does sound as if his heart is in the right place, even if he has his facts wrong. I hope you can get through to him so that as he matures, he doesn't disengage from politics or forever let the perfect be the enemy of the good.

I do get frustrated. He is very sweet, yet not very mature. His mother never learned how to drive in Southern California and tends to leech off others. He recognizes her shortcomings, yet seems to have inherited some of them. He knows though and feels bad about it. I wonder if some of the attacks on HRC are because he really thought he could be saved by Bernie's ideas. I know boomers who find themselves in dire straights and were very hopeful for free health care. We need a better understanding of politics and the way our safety net is being destroyed by this crew of monsters. Beating up on each other is a sure way to a dead end.

Sorry for meandering. But thanks again for your suggestions.

But he is spouting volumes at this point. Not sure he can see past his own thoughts.

is high, right now it is all about Russia being a distraction there is nothing there and off course the anti dem stuff also there is a lot of politics going on for primaries in Chicago/Illinois and all I can say is these types only help Rauner by not compromising.
I may add I'm in a blue state and don't converse with trumpets but I have met others with these opinions and they all strike me as hard core with very narrow views . One of them one time was going on about healthcare and how Clinton is against universal health care, and I tried to provide history to the young man about Hillary Clinton and healthcare in the 90s and the backlash that started this demonization
He just cut me off and went on with his talking points about why she does not care about healthcare.
They all seem to parrot the same bs
If you don't want to talk to him much just start talk about Mueller or even more about the Russian investigations they never care about those subjects and will probably move on to something other than politics . Hopefully ..

The twitterverse may well be our downfall. Mass Brainwashing is so easy,

So the right will eventually get him. H will vote for Trump in 20.

My goal is to keep him engaged and back on track. I'm seeking the best source on info on how to convince him how much worse Stein was than HRC. I'm leaving Bernie out of it.

The pro-Russia anti-America propaganda labeled Obama a drone-warmonger and then Hillary as warmonger/Wall Street. But who's president now? Why doesn't the anti-America propaganda warn us against Trump as a warmonger? Why are Republicans invisible and never responsible for anything, why are Democrats the only American political party? Don't they feel silly repeating this stuff as if Hillary is president? And then before the next election the Democrats running for office will be the warmongers. Being trained to bark and drool on command with these CTs, how embarrassing.

The G.W. Bush administration was going to put people in camps and so on and when Obama was elected Alex didn't miss a beat, it was the Obama administration that was going to put people in camps and so on. I don't know what he's saying now, though, if he's still doing equal opportunity as far as the CTs are concerned.

Watch/listen to this.

It will bring joy.. and some laughter along the way.

But thanks. I will keep it for evidence.

It's his opinion.

Might mention to him Antifa is no joke and they might be the counterbalance to armed deplorables in the streets if trump fires Mueller—just as they were in Charlottesville.

Hrc produces that kind of strong reaction in some folks.
She just does.
Find someone u can both support and go from there

...is a form of mental illness. No matter who they back. Its obsessive. They cant get out of their love hate cycle for some reason. Just glad he's obsessed over a human rather than grab a gun or something violent.

and then take the time and energy you are spending on trying to
save him from himself and russia/fox news/right wing propaganda
and do something for yourself or your community.


Hillary and the Clinton's good works are voluminous and if people
don't want to or will not see that then don't waste your time.

This is how I rest.