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Eliot Rosewater

(31,121 posts)
Sun Jan 7, 2018, 01:54 PM Jan 2018

KNOW YOUR RIGHTS: PHOTOGRAPHERS - WHAT TO DO IF YOU ARE STOPPED OR DETAINED FOR TAKING PHOTOGRAPHS




Have you seen this photo? It was taken in Baton Rouge, LA in 2016 as part of a protest regarding the shooting of Alton Sterling.

I have never seen it, but it was in my ACLU magazine today.

It goes without saying our current federal government does not believe in our rights, especially those which would expose them for what they are.

I recommend everyone study this

https://www.aclu.org/know-your-rights/photographers-what-do-if-you-are-stopped-or-detained-taking-photographs

and know this:

You have the right to film and photograph police activity in public places.
Video recording is also legal, and if police take your equipment or try to view it without a warrant, well they cant.

Now we also know these rights will not be observed by the trumpers nor the judges they are now appointing to LIFE positions who will never protect our rights as well.


Did you know Trump's FAA restricted journalists from flying above Standing Rock so they couldnt record the police shooting protesters and probably journalists with rubber bullets? Not legal but it happened and will happen again. This is not America.
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KNOW YOUR RIGHTS: PHOTOGRAPHERS - WHAT TO DO IF YOU ARE STOPPED OR DETAINED FOR TAKING PHOTOGRAPHS (Original Post) Eliot Rosewater Jan 2018 OP
Don't get injured or killed while insisting on your rights MineralMan Jan 2018 #1
And pray the judge you go before isnt a traitor, there will be many from now on. Eliot Rosewater Jan 2018 #2
Everybody has to use their own judgement at the scene. Girard442 Jan 2018 #12
That's still my advice. MineralMan Jan 2018 #14
I hear ya. Girard442 Jan 2018 #16
Yes, I have seen this photo many many times. SamKnause Jan 2018 #3
This is really important. Thanks for posting this. Sophia4 Jan 2018 #4
Thanks for the supportive, positive response. Eliot Rosewater Jan 2018 #6
The cops in the photo look utterly ridiculous Orrex Jan 2018 #5
An amazing juxtaposition of ugly, unthinking brutality Aristus Jan 2018 #8
What are you on about? MarkMakers Jan 2018 #7
The fact the poster didn't see the photo wasn't the point of the post. Fla Dem Jan 2018 #13
Ive never seen it before GulfCoast66 Jan 2018 #17
Wow, that was uncalled for. Welcome to DU. uppityperson Jan 2018 #20
You didn't know who Stephen Colbert was? A HERETIC I AM Jan 2018 #24
I was ashamed, considered turning in my card. uppityperson Jan 2018 #27
You barely redeemed yourself. A HERETIC I AM Jan 2018 #29
Agreed melman Jan 2018 #35
A good website for this... Lord_at_War Jan 2018 #9
I was going to mention this site. It has been around forever gvstn Jan 2018 #19
His Facebook page is worth subscribing to as well. A HERETIC I AM Jan 2018 #23
Police know this. Problem is they "take your equipment, try to view it & break it" anyway. Sunlei Jan 2018 #10
Download the ACLU Mobile Justice App, to record police secretly and stream it to the ACLU. TheBlackAdder Jan 2018 #11
This should have its own op! Canoe52 Jan 2018 #15
Yes, please do eom deek Jan 2018 #26
Thank you - got it now. (nt) klook Jan 2018 #25
Strictly speaking IIR the Standing Rock thing was legal Crash2Parties Jan 2018 #18
FAA Administrator, Michael Huerta Major Nikon Jan 2018 #21
Unfortunate to see this from Obama appointee, what they were preventing people from seeing was Eliot Rosewater Jan 2018 #28
That's just not how it works Major Nikon Jan 2018 #31
Then why did the ACLU choose to make a big deal out of this one, this time? Eliot Rosewater Jan 2018 #32
Because they can Major Nikon Jan 2018 #33
a number of handmade34 Jan 2018 #22
Great info out there. Get some basics. 7wo7rees Jan 2018 #30
That picture is a great picture Gothmog Jan 2018 #34
K & R LAS14 Jan 2018 #36

MineralMan

(146,329 posts)
1. Don't get injured or killed while insisting on your rights
Sun Jan 7, 2018, 02:01 PM
Jan 2018

to photograph events. See them in court, instead. Seriously.

Eliot Rosewater

(31,121 posts)
2. And pray the judge you go before isnt a traitor, there will be many from now on.
Sun Jan 7, 2018, 02:03 PM
Jan 2018

I am not suggesting people film when they are in physical danger, which they will be now more than ever.

Yes, some of our rights are gone, and soon the courts will be too.

Girard442

(6,084 posts)
12. Everybody has to use their own judgement at the scene.
Sun Jan 7, 2018, 02:23 PM
Jan 2018

That would include how much personal risk you're willing to assume. It's not that much different from people photograpy in general, except the stakes are higher.

Might also add, you might want to practice your ambient light photography and know how to shut off the flash on your camera or smartphone so you can be confident it's always off. Also, if you're in a fast-moving unpredictable situation, video can be your friend -- better a mediocre video frame captured than a crisp hi-res still you didn't get.

MineralMan

(146,329 posts)
14. That's still my advice.
Sun Jan 7, 2018, 02:27 PM
Jan 2018

If you're going to be a professional photographer, you'll have equipment that will let you shoot from a safe distance and still get excellent photos. If you're not, just shoot what you can without exposing yourself to harm or death.

It's just advice, not orders. I can't give orders to anyone. Stay out of danger and capture what you can, but stay aware of your surroundings.

The person who shot the image in the OP is a professional photographer. That's clear. That person knows the risks and has the equipment to stay out of danger if necessary.

Girard442

(6,084 posts)
16. I hear ya.
Sun Jan 7, 2018, 02:30 PM
Jan 2018

I once framed a dynamite shot of two bikers and let it go 'cuz y'know, they might have been camera shy.

Orrex

(63,224 posts)
5. The cops in the photo look utterly ridiculous
Sun Jan 7, 2018, 02:08 PM
Jan 2018

They appear to be terrified in their head-to-toe armor, shrinking back from a slender woman in flats and a breezy dress.

Love that picture a little more every time I see it.

Aristus

(66,462 posts)
8. An amazing juxtaposition of ugly, unthinking brutality
Sun Jan 7, 2018, 02:12 PM
Jan 2018

and the ethereal beauty of human courage.

 

MarkMakers

(20 posts)
7. What are you on about?
Sun Jan 7, 2018, 02:12 PM
Jan 2018

That photo went viral, not just on the internet but major media outlets too.

I really question how you could possibly have never seen it.

Just my opinion of course.

Fla Dem

(23,741 posts)
13. The fact the poster didn't see the photo wasn't the point of the post.
Sun Jan 7, 2018, 02:24 PM
Jan 2018

The point was to share information regarding your rights to photograph police activity and be aware of risks when doing so.

uppityperson

(115,679 posts)
20. Wow, that was uncalled for. Welcome to DU.
Sun Jan 7, 2018, 03:12 PM
Jan 2018

You remind me of a former DUer who questioned my creds for not knowing who Stephen Colbert was because All Good Liberals all watched him always.

Odd opinions, imo.

uppityperson

(115,679 posts)
27. I was ashamed, considered turning in my card.
Sun Jan 7, 2018, 04:34 PM
Jan 2018

Woe is me. But I decided my stable genius mind could overcome the overwhelming disprivilege of no cable TV. I am uppity, after all.

A HERETIC I AM

(24,376 posts)
29. You barely redeemed yourself.
Sun Jan 7, 2018, 05:00 PM
Jan 2018

I've run into similar problems in the past on DU, where a newb once called me a "plucky bootstrap puller".

I felt so bad, I became unemployed for a year just to make up for it.


My genius mind is more along the "outbuilding" variety. Smokehouse. Hay barn. Silo. That sort of thing.

 

melman

(7,681 posts)
35. Agreed
Mon Jan 8, 2018, 08:52 PM
Jan 2018

That photo was absolutely everywhere. Quite curious indeed that someone wouldn't have seen it.

gvstn

(2,805 posts)
19. I was going to mention this site. It has been around forever
Sun Jan 7, 2018, 03:01 PM
Jan 2018

And I believe Carlos is a member here. He used to post when appropriate here for quite some time.

Carlos Miller is founder and publisher of Photography is Not a Crime, which began as a one-man blog in 2007 to document his trial after he was arrested for photographing police during a journalistic assignment.

He is also the author of The Citizen Journalist’s Photography Handbook, which can be purchased through Amazon.


https://photographyisnotacrime.com/author/carlos/

Sunlei

(22,651 posts)
10. Police know this. Problem is they "take your equipment, try to view it & break it" anyway.
Sun Jan 7, 2018, 02:16 PM
Jan 2018

Until police are fired for abusing their power toward citizens they'll get worse & worse, more militarized. Everyone will have their pockets peeked into, bags searched, homes invaded if they aren't the 'right' class.

Crash2Parties

(6,017 posts)
18. Strictly speaking IIR the Standing Rock thing was legal
Sun Jan 7, 2018, 02:53 PM
Jan 2018

Private aircraft were restricted from flying over in the interest of the safety of people on the ground; that's the FAA's job. Legally they are given an amazing amount of leeway in making the determination.

Of course, when the government wants to promote something (ie an event that benefits political or corporate interests), no such restrictions are put in place and the media are allowed to virtually flood the skies with helicopters & other craft.

This is what the Republicans do; they apply laws unevenly. So do third world hellholes, dictatorships, theocratic nations, and similar systems of governance that are not "by the People, for the People".

Eliot Rosewater

(31,121 posts)
28. Unfortunate to see this from Obama appointee, what they were preventing people from seeing was
Sun Jan 7, 2018, 04:58 PM
Jan 2018

brutality against protesters, THAT is the part that is more likely allowed under a trump regime than Obama.

I suppose the flying part is technically legal but the REASON for it is the issue here.

Major Nikon

(36,827 posts)
31. That's just not how it works
Sun Jan 7, 2018, 10:24 PM
Jan 2018

First responders request TFRs all the time for all sorts of reasons. Usually it's because they have aircraft operating in a certain area and they don't want to have to worry about news helicopters and aerial sightseers creating an unsafe situation. They just aren't that uncommon. There's one active right now north of Los Angeles for the fires. While it's certainly possible local law enforcement requested the TFR for nefarious purposes, the FAA is simply not going to second guess them, especially initially when time is of the essence.

Eliot Rosewater

(31,121 posts)
32. Then why did the ACLU choose to make a big deal out of this one, this time?
Mon Jan 8, 2018, 12:45 PM
Jan 2018

I cant give you a link without doing a ton of research but it is in my ACLU magazine.

You KNOW they know that, so they must have thought it important to point out HERE due to the circumstances.

Major Nikon

(36,827 posts)
33. Because they can
Mon Jan 8, 2018, 05:34 PM
Jan 2018

The ACLU can challenge whatever government action they want. For whatever reason the FAA ended this particular TFR early. So maybe the requesting authority withdrew their request, or maybe the FAA cancelled it upon review per the ACLU request, but whatever the reason was the system worked exactly as it's supposed to work and it doesn't mean there was any nefarious intent on behalf of the FAA. They are always going to at least initially honor any request from first responders for a TFR. Doing anything else just wouldn't be all that smart.

handmade34

(22,757 posts)
22. a number of
Sun Jan 7, 2018, 04:15 PM
Jan 2018

years ago I was in New Orleans taking some pictures of refinery nearby... security stopped and threatened to take my camera away from me... I was on road and was quite disturbed that he would do that... I did leave because it was just me and him...

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