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(65,488 posts)Nictuku
(3,617 posts)... minus 1-2 hours for lunch?
So we are getting maybe 6 working hours from the most powerful and important political figure in the world?
FAKE pRESIDENT!!
tblue37
(65,488 posts)Furthermore, after his 11:00 meeting he takes an hour for lunch, followed by an hour or more of phone/TV time (which they call "Executive time" .
He is spending, at most, 2 or 3 hours a day in "meetings."
Nictuku
(3,617 posts)... I get up at freaking 3 am to get to work by 6 am (I have a 2 hour commute from hell), then I work a 9 hour work day (I have a compressed schedule that gives me every other Friday off because of it) and the 2 hour commute home.
That is 13 freaking hours every weekday that I give of myself for my job.
Sometimes you just gotta do what you have to do. The bills have to be paid.
I doubt that Trump has ever made any kind of sacrifice that even comes close.
FakeNoose
(32,748 posts)That's all we need to ask. The Blue Tsunami of 2018 will take care of the rest.
milestogo
(16,829 posts)tblue37
(65,488 posts)rollin74
(1,990 posts)Sneederbunk
(14,300 posts)Scarsdale
(9,426 posts)each morning to "fix" his hair and spray tan. Also, Hope has to get down on her knees and steam the wrinkles out of his suit. After all that pampering he still looks like HELL.
RockCreek
(739 posts)he does golf alot, watch fox news and spend a lot of time in FL. Maybe we didnt realize he was retired and doing the presidency as a side hobby.
erronis
(15,328 posts)A man of his stable genius should be able to do crosswords at least. Maybe his aides can read the clues and make suggestions for 3-letter word that means lava in hawaiian (cute - there are three a's in hawaiian, mr. resident.)
Different Drummer
(7,642 posts)"'Executive Time', which is used for TV, tweeting and phone calls."
PJMcK
(22,048 posts)Give the guy a break. If he doesn't watch all the Fox shows, how will he know what to think that day?
underpants
(182,879 posts)Just saying.
PJMcK
(22,048 posts)Geez, underpants! Don't you know that?!
underpants
(182,879 posts)PJMcK
(22,048 posts)But, let me say, I like the image of the burgers and fries in bed!
What a rage-filled piece of shit is Trump.
Artwork from the Wolff excerpt on NY Mag
http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2018/01/michael-wolff-fire-and-fury-book-donald-trump.html
JonLP24
(29,322 posts)We all saw the first 100 days with that travel ban mess.
wishstar
(5,271 posts)He relies more on Fox propaganda than he does on briefings by knowledgeable government officials and informational meetings with experts.
Kirk Lover
(3,608 posts)underpants
(182,879 posts)MFM008
(19,818 posts)And went to bed at 7pm. He would still get more done...
BigmanPigman
(51,627 posts)It was a publicity stunt and an ego boosting charade. He never wanted the hard work or responsibility. A 6 year old could see that, it didn't take a new book to tell us what we already knew. In fact he even said he didn't realize it would be so hard only a few months into his term.
NightWatcher
(39,343 posts)BigmanPigman
(51,627 posts)I dreamt that he decided before the inauguration that it was not what he wanted but in my dream Pence took over and not Hilary. I guess it should really be called a nightmare instead of a dream now that I think of it.
dawg day
(7,947 posts)It's not just that they still love him. They deal with every single revelation with a "but Hillary!" response, and then some lie. But Hillary never worked either! But Hillary didn't show her tax returns! Always a lie, but they don't care. I don't know why they don't just say, nananaheyhey, why they even bother to lie.
Then there's one "friend" who posted his "big button" tweet with all this ha, ha, isn't he funny, i just couldn't stop laughing. And she got furious when commenters said, "But that's not funny." She said he is the most entertaining president ever, and this is why she voted for him.
It's impossible to deal with that. If she wasn't my boss, I would have posted, "You're dead to me." But I have to work for her, eek.
Kirk Lover
(3,608 posts)BigmanPigman
(51,627 posts)and started reading the comments. I am scared to death right now! Half of them were by people like the one you wrote about. I had to stop myself from reading any more since it is too upsetting to read how people really believe that CNN is fake news and Miller "put Tapper in his place". It was as if we weren't even watching the same video clip.
WE HAVE TO WIN THE MIDTERMS! This is too scary and dangerous!
lpbk2713
(42,766 posts)On the campaign trail in 2016, Trump had promised, Im going to be working for you. Im not going to have time to play golf.
Link: http://www.newsweek.com/trump-properties-golf-obama-florida-new-jersey-christmas-760472
bdamomma
(63,922 posts)doesn't that get tiring doing that all the time???? Hope it pushes him over the edge.
Different Drummer
(7,642 posts)We all know how true that statement turned out to be, don't we?
Ms. Toad
(34,087 posts)Please do not equate being a night-owl with being lazy. The world is designed around people who wake at the crack of dawn, or earlier, and there is a broad perception that anyone whose body-clock is not aligned with the way, struggles to arrive on time and alert for a job that starts at 1 AM is lazy - no matter what the reality.
My workday starts between 11 and 12 and ends between midnight and 4 AM. Seven days a week. There's not a lazy bone in my body.
FWIW, I spent 11 years at a job that required me to arrive and be functional before 7 AM. It was torture - but I was never late, or non-functional. The same cannot typically be said for early birds who are forced to be functional after 9 PM. Yet it is night owls who are denigrated.
(I'm NOT arguing that Trump is not lazy - fewer meetings, more golf days, fewer hours in the office would all suggest laziness. NONE of them have anything to do with the time of day he first sets foot in the office each day.)
I had to flip from night and day constantly in Kuwait which is 10 hours ahead of where I live on top of that. After I broke my hand worked night shift only though my company would still force me to do stuff in the daytime working or being awake 24 hours more times than I can count. My body clock is all over the place what you say is similar to my experience.
Kingofalldems
(38,476 posts)who work normal hours. Not gonna fly.
Ms. Toad
(34,087 posts)It was a response to the assertion that starting the day at 11 AM makes one the laziest anything.
The time one starts the work day has ABSOLUTELY NOTHING to do with whether one is lazy or not.
Kingofalldems
(38,476 posts)the White House has a normal work day. Not really a good try there.
Ms. Toad
(34,087 posts)Kingofalldems
(38,476 posts)WH staffers report in the morning. Has nothing to do with you or anyone who works a different shift. It has to do with Donald Trump, the laziest president ever.
Jim Lane
(11,175 posts)Some workplaces have "core time" -- everyone must be in the office between, say, 11:00 a.m. and 3:00 p.m. Other than that, people can set their own schedules. The dayflies can arrive at sunrise and leave at 3:00. We night owls can make (perhaps just barely make) the 11:00 start time and stay into the evening.
The "people who work normal hours" should be expected to make some accommodation to the President of the United States. If some extractive-industry types want to lobby for the repeal of another environmental protection, I'm sure they'll be glad to meet with the President at 8:00 p.m. if that's when he can see them.
Also, the President has global responsibilities. Normal hours in DC aren't the same as in California, let alone the Eastern Hemisphere.
The basic point is that we can't call Trump lazy just because he starts his day at 11:00. He's lazy because he doesn't do much work.
Kingofalldems
(38,476 posts)Ms. Toad
(34,087 posts)"Now the laziest president ever---Trump's day starts at 11 AM."
It would be like saying:
"Now the most evil president ever---Trump is left handed"
or, perhaps even clearer:
"Now the president who loves watermelon most---Obama is black"
There is a derogatory stereotypical connection between being a night-owl and being lazy, as there is between being evil and being left-handed, or being black and loving watermelon.
The two are completely unrelated - and as a frequent target of the night owl stereotype - I find it offensive.
Kingofalldems
(38,476 posts)I find your accusation offensive, by the way.
Ms. Toad
(34,087 posts)and ask you to think about what you have said.
As I do in other circumstances, as well.
When you equate starting a day at a time other than the crack of dawn with being lazy, it perpetuates an offensive stereotype - one that has been directed at me all of my life.
LuckyCharms
(17,458 posts)The hours that Trump actually works are not what is required for his position. He gets up late, and he crawls into his fleapit early. That indicates either laziness or an inability to recognize what is required to do the job.
Ms. Toad
(34,087 posts)because of when your day starts? I was responding to the caption, which directly linked the time Trump starts his day with being the laziest president ever.
Unless you are a night owl, you probably are not aware of how strong (and offensive) the stereotype is.
LuckyCharms
(17,458 posts)Knowing this, and knowing the gravity of his position, how would you describe these traits?
Ms. Toad
(34,087 posts)It directly equated starting his day at 11 with being the laziest president ever.
As I said - I'm not challenging whether he is lazy. I specifically indicated there were quite a number of characteristics that suggested he is lazy, and I have absolutely no objection to characterizing him as lazy based on things that actually indicate he is lazy (like how much time he spends golfing, or how many hours he actually works).
What has ZERO relationship to laziness, however, is what time his day starts.
Kirk Lover
(3,608 posts)JI7
(89,264 posts)Ms. Toad
(34,087 posts)being equated with laziness.
I accept that I have to work around things not being open at the hours when I am most functional - just as winter holiday breaks are planned to accommodate the majority population. But associating it with laziness is offensive. I accept that for most of my working life, I have had to live with being chronically exhausted - because most work hours don't accommodate people who cannot be well rested if awakened before 10 AM.
But it is offensive to be called lazy - as I am directly and indirectly called on a near-daily basis - merely because my body clock is different than the majority of the population.
It is offensive in the same manner that it is offensive to associate (as examples) being left-handed is with being sinister, being bisexual with wanting to bed anything that moves, or being black with being less ambitious.
JI7
(89,264 posts)Ms. Toad
(34,087 posts)- stop complaining. It's not about you, it's about Obama.
Stereotypes are harmful against everyone in the targeted population, not just the specific person targeted.
JI7
(89,264 posts)The op attacking trump on this to racism.
Ms. Toad
(34,087 posts)It is no different.
If he is lazy, he is lazy - it has nothing to do with when his day starts.
JI7
(89,264 posts)Not laziest worker .
femmedem
(8,207 posts)My niece has always been a night owl--as a kid, she'd sleep in hours later than the adults even on Christmas morning--but she's never been lazy.
I don't understand why anyone is having trouble understanding your point.
loyalsister
(13,390 posts)We have had a disproportionate number of left handed presidents. From Nixon to Trump, it's the right handed presidents who have been corrupt (Nixon, W, and Trump). The only right handed president since Nixon who wasn't is Jimmy Carter. Not all of the lefties have been great, but the best in my lifetime (Clinton and Obama) have been.
spooky3
(34,476 posts)JI7
(89,264 posts)Kingofalldems
(38,476 posts)Trump is the laziest president ever.
demmiblue
(36,885 posts)PoindexterOglethorpe
(25,895 posts)Morning people have an unkind tendency to think they are superior to night owls. Not true at all. We have different internal schedules.
I'm a night owl, always have been, still am at age 69. We all need to be grateful that there are those who thrive on different wake/work/sleep schedules.
Of course, Donald the Trump's laziness is, in reality, utterly unconnected to the hours he puts in. If he woke up at 6am and made it to the Oval Office at 7, he'd still be knocking off after five, maybe six hours, then spend the afternoon on the golf course.
He, like so many others at the top, haven't a clue what a full day's work really entails.
As for me, most of my life I worked shift work, and when I had to be at work at 6am it was awful, although I did it. Of course, by the time I got to work I'd been up for an hour or more and had a cup of coffee, so by then I was perky and cheerful. I was an airline ticket agent, and it was quite gratifying to be perky and cheerful to passengers who'd just crawled out of bed 30 minutes earlier, weren't quite awake yet, but didn't dare snap at the perky and cheerful young thing so early in the morning.
Anyway, the real issue is the laziness and how little time he spends working, not so much what time he finally slithers into the Oval Office.
JI7
(89,264 posts)Ms. Toad
(34,087 posts)That point is flying over the heads of the others in this thread, one of whom has accused me of being upset that Trump is being attacked.
Kingofalldems
(38,476 posts)and my conclusion was totally correct, laziest president in history.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/politics/wp/2018/01/08/allow-us-to-figure-out-just-how-much-of-your-life-is-spent-on-trumps-executive-time/?tid=sm_tw&utm_term=.62e4e652a439
Ms. Toad
(34,087 posts)Only that you were linking being lazy to starting work at 11 AM.
steve2470
(37,457 posts)I would say, ok, he's devoting at least 60 hours a week to his job. There is no way in hell he is spending 60 productive hours on the job.
Therefore, I'd say 11 AM start time is very indicative of laziness IN HIS CASE, not the typical hard-working night owl or late night person.
Takket
(21,625 posts)Fired
Raine
(30,540 posts)Trump can't even keep up with Raygun!
underpants
(182,879 posts)Which is nice. For the young operative types (who quickly found out their research wasn't needed) it was PARTY TIME.....then 9/11 happened and they went into normal White House hours which are 6/7 until whenever
Kaleva
(36,343 posts)Uses the service elevator which is big enough to fit a golf cart in.
thegoose
(3,115 posts)VMA131Marine
(4,149 posts)They'll prop him up to wave off the balcony once in a while.
onethatcares
(16,185 posts)they'll prop him up on video screens in the press briefing room and have sarah whatever point to how busy he is.
Oh, they already did that?????
My bad.
Angry Dragon
(36,693 posts)Takket
(21,625 posts)keithbvadu2
(36,906 posts)Dotard will already be awake at 3:00 am but too busy tweeting to answer the phone.
BeyondGeography
(39,379 posts)dalton99a
(81,578 posts)keithbvadu2
(36,906 posts)There was some meme several months ago that Donald would have to go to some remedial activity or therapeutic...
Can't remember the exact wording.
Sneederbunk
(14,300 posts)melman
(7,681 posts)He seems to start tweet-storming a lot earlier than that.
CentralMass
(15,265 posts)donkeypoofed
(2,187 posts)Since he's up and tweeting by 6am most days, I don't term him as lazy. He just needs to fill up his ass kissing cup with fox and stupid friends before he can do anything else. Then it would take him awhile to strip his own bed, get dressed, gather up what's left of his hair, comb.it over, spray on some freezing spray, put in a few discreetly placed bobby pins, brush his dentures,and get his rather fat ass down to the office. I think that doing this all by 11 am is not bad ! 😅
demmiblue
(36,885 posts)On Tuesday, Trump has his first meeting of the day with Chief of Staff John Kelly at 11am. He then has "Executive Time" for an hour followed by an hour lunch in the private dining room. Then it's another 1 hour 15 minutes of "Executive Time" followed by a 45 minute meeting with National Security Adviser H.R. McMaster. Then another 15 minutes of "Executive Time" before Trump takes his last meeting of the day a 3:45pm meeting with the head of Presidential Personnel Johnny DeStefano before ending his official day at 4:15pm.
Other days are fairly similar, unless the president is traveling, in which case the days run longer. On Wednesday this week, for example, the president meets at 11am for his intelligence briefing, then has "Executive Time" until a 2pm meeting with the Norwegian Prime Minister. His last official duty: a video recording with Hope Hicks at 4pm.
On Thursday, the president has an especially light schedule: "Policy Time" at 11am, then "Executive Time" at 12pm, then lunch for an hour, then more "Executive Time" from 1:30pm.
https://www.axios.com/newsletters/axios-sneak-peek-a7c58480-bc9e-4580-93c1-6358a6102b93.html?chunk=0&utm_term=emshare#story0
Cha
(297,655 posts)and had a work-out before starting his job as POTUS. He took his job seriously as leader of the free world.
Then there's the fucking stable genius.. starts shoveling the shite at 11am.
Kingofalldems
(38,476 posts)Lots of 'Executive Time'.
https://www.democraticunderground.com/10141955518
Cha
(297,655 posts)steve2470
(37,457 posts)Jeebus Santorum would be ripping President Obama for doing the same. What a f*****G hypocrite.
SWBTATTReg
(22,166 posts)No wonder Congress and the executive branch has the lowest approval ratings seen in a while.
Doesn't seem to be a work ethic other than running off the mouth.
I don't know how in particular, but it seems rather sad that in all of last year, 1 major law (tax cut law) was passed and lots of rollbacks on prior administration actions occurred...I imagine if anyone of us worked where we had only 1 or so things accomplished on our goals, we would be out the door/fired...
Still In Wisconsin
(4,450 posts)The poor guy needs his "executive time" after all!
dalton99a
(81,578 posts)high-saturated-fat food items