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(47,284 posts)YessirAtsaFact
(2,064 posts)Ready to counter the right wing media onslaught that will come.
The evidence has to be so overwhelming that no amount of WhatAboutism can derail it.
There has to be extraordinary evidence because collusion with a foreign power to steal an election is an extraordinary claim.
Irish_Dem
(47,284 posts)And we don't.
PJMcK
(22,041 posts)The big takeaway for me in "Fire And Fury" is the confirmation of everything we've seen and learned about the Trump administration. They are clueless, disorganized, disruptive, at odds among themselves and stupid people.
We know that there was collusion; that's what the June 2016 Trump Tower meeting has shown us.
We know that there was obstruction of justice. Hell, we know that there has been A LOT of obstruction by many of the players; that's what the Comey hearings and other reporting has shown us.
We know that Trump has committed numerous financial crimes; anyone who has watched Trump over the years can see that he is a dishonest businessman.
We know that Trump is a constant liar. We know that he has directed his underlings to lie for him. We've seen it every day since, well, forever.
We know that Trump has assaulted women; he's bragged about it on "Hollywood Access," "The Howard Stern Show" and other outlets. The 17 women who have come forward are not liars. In fact, I consider them very brave for standing up to Trump and his power.
To your specific point that "the insiders know exactly what's going on," that is certainly true. There must be mountains of evidence and information that will bury Trump & Co. in court for years to come. Never mind what Mr. Mueller is collecting. Just imagine the files and information that Preet Bharara and Eric Schneiderman have (or had) on Trump! Look at how the Congressional committees are trying to limit the scope and direction of their inquiries. Lastly, many Washington reporters must have collected a ton of negative information on Trump. They will eventually tell their stories but they'll probably only confirm what we already suspect to be true.
Generally, I don't like to make broad statements without solid evidence. However, in Trump's case, we have decades of evidence. We really can see the outlines of this man and his machinery.
The frustration I feel is that it's taking too long. Trump is destroying our nation bit by bit. The indictments, pleas and convictions cannot come fast enough.
Irish_Dem
(47,284 posts)What we don't know is what kind of action is being taken now and in the future.
erronis
(15,326 posts)What we all mainly worry about is that even in the event that all of the criminality and traitoriousness of this executive branch is known, even if it makes it into the public's eye - that it will be ineffective against a stonewalling congress and the elements of collusion that have been planted throughout the current US government.
I can hope that as this evidence is exposed on the world stage that more international governments can start to cause real grief for those both within the US and outside that allowed a sovereign nation with a reasonably elected democratic government to be subverted. I do believe that as so much wealth is spread across the world, that an international reaction against the perpetrators to tie up their assets would be very effective. Even the perception/threat that this could happen.
PJMcK
(22,041 posts)The second paragraph of your post could be a very effective preventative for the future.
And your welcome!
(wink)
getagrip_already
(14,818 posts)Might just be an educated guess. I doubt muehlers team is communicating to any congress critter.
He might have more insight, but no clear facts behind his statement.
Heck, you might as well ask what do trumps lawyers know that we don't.......
Irish_Dem
(47,284 posts)Orrex
(63,220 posts)when can we expect mass seppuku from team Trump?
That'll be a show worth watching.
PJMcK
(22,041 posts)When Robert Mueller starts turning more screws, I suspect that Trump's people will all turn on one another. There is no loyalty in TrumpWorld.
Orrex
(63,220 posts)Doitnow
(1,103 posts)triron
(22,011 posts)Not much bs here.
George II
(67,782 posts)PoindexterOglethorpe
(25,878 posts)Blumenthal is not part of Mueller's investigative team, so while saying there will be more indictments may be a informed guess, it's still just a guess.
I'll believe it when actual indictments are handed down.
Keep in mind that all December the chatter that more indictments would be unsealed in a day or two, along with firm predictions that Trump would fire Mueller (22nd December being the favored date here), nothing of the kind has happened so far. And we're a week into January.
And while I hope he's right, he's comments ore speculation.
SWBTATTReg
(22,156 posts)Two already guilty (Flynn and P), others indicted, can't believe it will end w/ just these...
George II
(67,782 posts)If he said that, there's probably a 99.9% chance of it happening. In the 20+ years I've seen him in action both as CT Attorney General and now Senator, he's been cautious about saying something like this.
Bet on it happening.
getagrip_already
(14,818 posts)The only way he could know for certain would be if he were briefed by muehler's team. Which would include members of the other party as well.
That certainly didn't happen. Not even behind closed doors in secret session.
He is smart enough to read the tea leaves though. A character like flynn doesn't plead guilty to a single charge unless he implicates bigger fish with hard evidence.
Between papadapolous, flynn, all the emails, and all the wires on other cooperating witnesses, it's a done deal more will be dropped.
Question only is when and what, not if.
George II
(67,782 posts)...most likely has more information that the Judiciary Committee.
In a way that's good, if he feels this based on somewhat less testimony then perhaps it's a better bet that Mueller will seek indictments.
Remember, Flynn and Papadopoulos didn't testify before the Judiciary Committee, but both have been questioned by Mueller.
getagrip_already
(14,818 posts)of people the committees would want to question, but haven't.......
Scurrilous
(38,687 posts)triron
(22,011 posts)triron
(22,011 posts)Skittles
(153,174 posts)triron
(22,011 posts)Hope he is not just blowing air.
triron
(22,011 posts)L. Coyote
(51,129 posts)Voluntary resignation beats the 25th or impeachment.