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ProSense

(116,464 posts)
Mon Jul 23, 2012, 08:35 PM Jul 2012

DOMA: Sally Ride's Partner of 27 Years Denied Federal Benefits. Is Romney Smiling?

DOMA: Sally Ride's Partner of 27 Years Denied Federal Benefits. Is Romney Smiling?

Today, upon news that Sally Ride, the first woman in space, had passed away, Mitt Romney called her one of America's "great pioneers."

I have a question (a question shared by many): is Romney satisfied that Ride's partner of 27 years, Tam O'Shaughnessy, will be denied federal benefits because of the Defense of Marriage Act?

Is Romney happy that the partner of a woman he today described as "a profile in courage" will not be afforded the same benefits as those who are, shall we say, less worthy profiles in courage?

Is Romney beaming that the partner of the first woman in space -- about whom he said, "Ride inspired millions of Americans with her determination to break the mold of her time" -- will not receive the federal benefits received by millions of others?

We know the answer.

Which is why it's time to break the mold of our time. The mold of homophobia and anti-gay bigotry that continues to treat segments of our population as less than equal.

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2012/07/23/1113014/-DOMA-Sally-Ride-s-Partner-of-27-Years-Denied-Federal-Benefits-Is-Romney-Smiling


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DOMA: Sally Ride's Partner of 27 Years Denied Federal Benefits. Is Romney Smiling? (Original Post) ProSense Jul 2012 OP
k&r... spanone Jul 2012 #1
I am not sure this is the case. I believe that same sex partners now have an option rhett o rick Jul 2012 #54
at some point handmade34 Jul 2012 #2
knr Coexist Jul 2012 #3
I Was Unaware That She Was a Lesbian AnnieBW Jul 2012 #4
Me too. dballance Jul 2012 #7
"First US Woman" to go into space Mimosa Jul 2012 #20
Actually that would be... trumad Jul 2012 #39
Didn't realize Russians were from the US. TalkingDog Jul 2012 #47
Quick someone tell NASA! Another American first for the history books! AtheistCrusader Jul 2012 #49
And I'm betting Rmoney did not have a clue about this fact malaise Jul 2012 #8
Yeah, Romney is very well-informed... nikto Jul 2012 #9
Bingo! NT snappyturtle Jul 2012 #24
Maybe she was bi-sexual.............I mean, she was married to a man at one time. TheDebbieDee Jul 2012 #15
^ Agree with you ^ Mimosa Jul 2012 #21
please say 'sexual orientation' instead johnnypneumatic Jul 2012 #23
She self identified as a gay - she wasnt bi FreeState Jul 2012 #27
Actually, I was more shocked to learn Jackpine Radical Jul 2012 #40
Actually Dr. Ride was married to a man for several years, vlyons Jul 2012 #37
What you said. And that's probably all that needs to be said. TalkingDog Jul 2012 #48
Actually, your post makes me wonder about something. LeftofObama Jul 2012 #5
They damn well should. They're being robbed. 2ndAmForComputers Jul 2012 #16
+1 sakabatou Jul 2012 #17
It will depend if they are/were married n/t FreeState Jul 2012 #28
I know that there's something called "common law marriage," but wouldn't this be true even if she Liberal_Stalwart71 Jul 2012 #6
Only some states have that as a legal status. n/t pnwmom Jul 2012 #18
O.K., but DOMA would override *any* state law guaranteeing "marriage" rights because Liberal_Stalwart71 Jul 2012 #44
We do need to end DOMA, yes. n/t pnwmom Jul 2012 #45
important kpete Jul 2012 #10
Good point. surrealAmerican Jul 2012 #11
Yes the first was Russian burrowowl Jul 2012 #12
This here is Amurica, dammit. progressoid Jul 2012 #41
This is just fucked up! n/t markpkessinger Jul 2012 #13
did`t know and don`t care BUT..... madrchsod Jul 2012 #14
This is happening to all Federal Employees mchill Jul 2012 #19
Did not know know this...now she's even more of a hero to me. 1620rock Jul 2012 #22
K&R X 1000 nt snappyturtle Jul 2012 #25
Help me here. Doesn't Obama's "leave it up to the states" also deny her benefits? Luminous Animal Jul 2012 #26
How do you leave Federal benefits up to the states? n/t FreeState Jul 2012 #29
Does she qualify for Federal benefits? Luminous Animal Jul 2012 #30
I don't think so. She was with NASA for nine years, 78-87, then she left to teach at Stanford. MADem Jul 2012 #32
I was referring to the federal benefits of Marriage n/t FreeState Jul 2012 #33
Social Security for sure obamanut2012 Jul 2012 #43
Betting POTUS, along with other 'feds,' will get her some support. elleng Jul 2012 #31
Conservatives always just breezily say that they (should have) drawn up a last will and testament bluestateguy Jul 2012 #34
No doubt she had a will. FlaGranny Jul 2012 #38
Memo to Mr. Romney pokerfan Jul 2012 #35
+1 LuvNewcastle Jul 2012 #36
+1. Couldn't have said it better... nt riderinthestorm Jul 2012 #50
Excellent point! nt MineralMan Jul 2012 #42
Great post! K&R 11 Bravo Jul 2012 #46
very good points in that post. GoneOffShore Jul 2012 #51
I believe there is one thing President Obama can do. Kencorburn Jul 2012 #52
Heartbreaking ismnotwasm Jul 2012 #53
Sorry Pro but I wasnt trying to hijack your thread with post 54. I have very close lesbian friends rhett o rick Jul 2012 #55
those benefits should be re-enstated and made retro-active azurnoir Jul 2012 #56
Was Sally Ride's partner denied federal benefits? nm rhett o rick Jul 2012 #57
 

rhett o rick

(55,981 posts)
54. I am not sure this is the case. I believe that same sex partners now have an option
Tue Jul 24, 2012, 03:45 PM
Jul 2012

to cover the none federal employee. I may be wrong but:

"The rules with potentially the greatest financial benefit would create a presumption that same-sex domestic partners who meet certain qualifications are eligible for a form of retirement survivor annuity called an “insurable interest” annuity. That benefit provides lifelong payments to the survivor of a federal retiree, much as a standard survivor annuity does for a spouse, although it is slightly less generous. "

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/federal-eye/post/expansion-of-several-federal-employee-benefits-to-same-sex-partners-planned/2012/07/19/gJQAw2MAwW_blog.html

Edit to add that I am not sure what the "certain qualifications" are.

 

dballance

(5,756 posts)
7. Me too.
Mon Jul 23, 2012, 08:59 PM
Jul 2012

As a gay male who had to hide my orientation for years at work she probably had to hide hers to become an astronaut. But after she retired from NASA I hope she was able to live as herself with her partner.

I sincerely doubt she would have wanted to be known as "the lesbian astronaut." So she apparently didn't make much out of it.

I will still refer to her as the "First US Woman" to go into space.

 

TheDebbieDee

(11,119 posts)
15. Maybe she was bi-sexual.............I mean, she was married to a man at one time.
Mon Jul 23, 2012, 10:38 PM
Jul 2012

Maybe at that time she wanted to be with a man. And when that time was over, she found another person that she wanted to be with who happened be a woman.

I'm not understanding why many people still try to categorize sexual preference as straight or gay. I believe that there are three sexual preferences: straight, gay and bi-sexual.

johnnypneumatic

(599 posts)
23. please say 'sexual orientation' instead
Mon Jul 23, 2012, 11:45 PM
Jul 2012

'Sexual preference' implies it is all just a choice.

But you are right, bisexual is an orientation. Many and perhaps most people are bisexual to some degree

FreeState

(10,572 posts)
27. She self identified as a gay - she wasnt bi
Tue Jul 24, 2012, 12:26 AM
Jul 2012

not that it matter one bit. And its ORIENTATION not preference. (Believe me there were plenty of times as a kid where I preferred to be straight.)

http://blogs.browardpalmbeach.com/pulp/2012/07/former_astronaut_sally_ride_re.php

Sally Ride, the first U.S. woman in space, died today at the age of 61. An announcement from Sally Ride Science notes that Ride is outlived by "Tam O'Shaughnessy, her partner of 27 years." O'Shaughnessy is the chief operating officer and executive vice president of Sally Ride Science -- and a woman, revealing that one of the most famous members of the United States space program was gay.

The announcement puts the start of their relationship at around 1985 -- while Ride was still married to fellow astronaut Steven Hawley. Sally Ride Science spokeswoman Terry McEntee confirmed the announcement -- when asked if Ride was gay, she said, "Yes. That's true. What's on the website is true."

Ride's sister, Bear, who is also gay, told New Times Monday night that her sister never publicly revealed her sexual orientation because of a closely held commitment to her personal privacy.

"Sally was a profoundly private person. It was just part of who she was. We chalk that up to being Norwegian," Bear said. "She had a sense of 'this is family stuff.'"


http://www.apa.org/helpcenter/sexual-orientation.aspx
What is sexual orientation?

Sexual orientation refers to an enduring pattern of emotional, romantic, and/or sexual attractions to men, women, or both sexes. Sexual orientation also refers to a person’s sense of identity based on those attractions, related behaviors, and membership in a community of others who share those attractions. Research over several decades has demonstrated that sexual orientation ranges along a continuum, from exclusive attraction to the other sex to exclusive attraction to the same sex. However, sexual orientation is usually discussed in terms of three categories: heterosexual (having emotional, romantic, or sexual attractions to members of the other sex), gay/lesbian (having emotional, romantic, or sexual attractions to members of one’s own sex), and bisexual (having emotional, romantic, or sexual attractions to both men and women). This range of behaviors and attractions has been described in various cultures and nations throughout the world. Many cultures use identity labels to describe people who express these attractions. In the United States the most frequent labels are lesbians (women attracted to women), gay men (men attracted to men), and bisexual people (men or women attracted to both sexes). However, some people may use different labels or none at all.

Sexual orientation is distinct from other components of sex and gender, including biological sex (the anatomical, physiological, and genetic characteristics associated with being male or female), gender identity (the psychological sense of being male or female),* and social gender role (the cultural norms that define feminine and masculine behavior).

Sexual orientation is commonly discussed as if it were solely a characteristic of an individual, like biological sex, gender identity, or age. This perspective is incomplete because sexual orientation is defined in terms of relationships with others. People express their sexual orientation through behaviors with others, including such simple actions as holding hands or kissing. Thus, sexual orientation is closely tied to the intimate personal relationships that meet deeply felt needs for love, attachment, and intimacy. In addition to sexual behaviors, these bonds include nonsexual physical affection between partners, shared goals and values, mutual support, and ongoing commitment. Therefore, sexual orientation is not merely a personal characteristic within an individual. Rather, one’s sexual orientation defines the group of people in which one is likely to find the satisfying and fulfilling romantic relationships that are an essential component of personal identity for many people.

vlyons

(10,252 posts)
37. Actually Dr. Ride was married to a man for several years,
Tue Jul 24, 2012, 07:15 AM
Jul 2012

but that marriage did not work out and ended in divorce. Some people, such as Dr. Ride, are very private, and we need to respect their right to be so. Dr. Ride also did not do commercials and product endorsements. That she was inspired to encourage girls to pursue math and science careers is wonderful. I'm sorry that her female partner did not receive the benefits due to hetero surviving spouses.

LeftofObama

(4,243 posts)
5. Actually, your post makes me wonder about something.
Mon Jul 23, 2012, 08:48 PM
Jul 2012

When DOMA is overturned, and I'd be willing to bet it will be, I wonder if surviving partners/spouses would be eligible for retroactive benefits.

Sorry, I didn't mean to hijack your thread.

 

Liberal_Stalwart71

(20,450 posts)
6. I know that there's something called "common law marriage," but wouldn't this be true even if she
Mon Jul 23, 2012, 08:56 PM
Jul 2012

straight? I just think this society suffers from the most disgusting hypocrisy.

 

Liberal_Stalwart71

(20,450 posts)
44. O.K., but DOMA would override *any* state law guaranteeing "marriage" rights because
Tue Jul 24, 2012, 10:44 AM
Jul 2012

it is a federal law. That's why we need to go after DOMA. It is the problem.

surrealAmerican

(11,362 posts)
11. Good point.
Mon Jul 23, 2012, 09:22 PM
Jul 2012

She was not, however, the "first woman in space". The US is not the only country to have a space program.

madrchsod

(58,162 posts)
14. did`t know and don`t care BUT.....
Mon Jul 23, 2012, 09:37 PM
Jul 2012

it just goes to show no matter who you are and what all the good you have done sometimes you and the person you love are still second class citizens.

MADem

(135,425 posts)
32. I don't think so. She was with NASA for nine years, 78-87, then she left to teach at Stanford.
Tue Jul 24, 2012, 01:45 AM
Jul 2012

You generally need more time in the barrel to qualify for federal benefits.

NASA might have a different scheme, though--I will admit I'm no expert in how they work their system.

bluestateguy

(44,173 posts)
34. Conservatives always just breezily say that they (should have) drawn up a last will and testament
Tue Jul 24, 2012, 02:54 AM
Jul 2012

And I don't really have a bumper sticker answer for that.

I can give the 15 minute answer, but many people are not bright enough to get it.

FlaGranny

(8,361 posts)
38. No doubt she had a will.
Tue Jul 24, 2012, 08:05 AM
Jul 2012

The trouble is that no will can give the surviving partner a pension - like the federal pension my mother received for years after my father passed away. She also got to keep his excellent federal health insurance. Two things Ms. Ride's partner will not be entitled to.

pokerfan

(27,677 posts)
35. Memo to Mr. Romney
Tue Jul 24, 2012, 04:05 AM
Jul 2012

Thought this was an appropriate response...

Memo to Mr. Romney: If you don’t support our most fundamental relationships — if, in fact, you dedicate a significant amount of your political career to undermining those relationships, and make political hash out of marginalizing us and playing on people’s fears and hatred of us — you don’t get to speak about us with sentimental gushing after we’re dead.

Second memo to Mr. Romney: Fuck you.

http://freethoughtblogs.com/greta/2012/07/23/mitt-romney-on-the-death-of-sally-ride

Kencorburn

(74 posts)
52. I believe there is one thing President Obama can do.
Tue Jul 24, 2012, 03:21 PM
Jul 2012

The president has control over the policies directly affecting the federal bureaucracy. Like President Truman did when integrating the army, President Obama can issue an executive order making federal employees not subject to DOMA. He has already laid the ground work by ordering the justice department to stop defending the law. Though admittedly, I am unsure of the mechanics of DOMA's implementation.

ismnotwasm

(41,989 posts)
53. Heartbreaking
Tue Jul 24, 2012, 03:31 PM
Jul 2012

This is a story that needs to be told everywhere, from grammar school history books to the NASA website.

Thank you, ProSense

 

rhett o rick

(55,981 posts)
55. Sorry Pro but I wasnt trying to hijack your thread with post 54. I have very close lesbian friends
Tue Jul 24, 2012, 03:52 PM
Jul 2012

where one works for the federal government and the other is covered by the "insurable interest" clause. Maybe Sally Ride's partner doesnt qualify.

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