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spanone

(135,844 posts) Sat Jan 13, 2018, 10:06 AM Jan 2018

Tweet from Sheldon Whitehouse re: gerrymandering

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Wow. Last night I read the 200-page court decision finding such "invidious" partisan gerrymandering in NC that a 52% Democratic win would get only 23% of seats.

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Tweet from Sheldon Whitehouse re: gerrymandering (Original Post) spanone Jan 2018 OP

SCOTUS still needs to step in. But they have indicated some support to ending gerrymandering Roland99 Jan 2018 #1

i don't see how it can be otherwise given how racially oriented the parties are. unblock Jan 2018 #3

Maryland case is being considered for 1st Amendment issues Roland99 Jan 2018 #5

Supreme Court takes up Texas redistricting case dalton99a Jan 2018 #7

Fucking cheating Texas Republicans. mountain grammy Jan 2018 #8

Wow...I didn't realize how screwed up this is... SWBTATTReg Jan 2018 #12

Republican "win at any cost" logic. mountain grammy Jan 2018 #13

Yes, LBJ civil rights act...go TX! SWBTATTReg Jan 2018 #19

We have known this for decades and STILL can't get any traction in Tx ! flying_wahini Jan 2018 #11

I live in WI and we are the state that has the gerrymandering case AJT Jan 2018 #2

Good luck....this court is not friendly to both parties since gorsuch spanone Jan 2018 #21

try living it dsc Jan 2018 #4

They're unscrupulous & corrupt. I hope the Court found that to be illegal, too. nt Honeycombe8 Jan 2018 #6

Winning states is where gerrymandering gets stopped cold & permanently. Independent commissions. nt Bernardo de La Paz Jan 2018 #9

Keep fighting for our right to equal representation under the law...we SWBTATTReg Jan 2018 #10

There must be a better way, though the suit over GM in PA was thrown out bucolic_frolic Jan 2018 #14

Only losers cheat. Corruption is the defeat of democracy. Repugs are unamerican losers. lutherj Jan 2018 #15

And they still have to rig elections to win control. L. Coyote Jan 2018 #16

I have no doubt that Democrats LiberalLovinLug Jan 2018 #17

The book RAT F*cked says it all, lets see what this court does, after all, turbinetree Jan 2018 #18

This graphic shows how this happens. JohnnyRingo Jan 2018 #20

Roland99

(53,342 posts)

1. SCOTUS still needs to step in. But they have indicated some support to ending gerrymandering

Reply to spanone (Original post)

Sat Jan 13, 2018, 10:13 AM

Jan 2018

But it has to be incontrovertible that it was racially -based.

Seems open and shut to me

unblock

(52,247 posts)

3. i don't see how it can be otherwise given how racially oriented the parties are.

Reply to Roland99 (Reply #1)

Sat Jan 13, 2018, 10:19 AM

Jan 2018

obviously there are some white democrats and even some black republicans, but i think at this point it's really cheeky for them to try to get away with it by saying "hey, we're not discriminating against blacks, we're discriminating against the party that black people overwhelmingly prefer"....

certainly the effect is to get an advantage for white people at the expense of people of color, even if they can convince a judge that this was not the intent. i'm not sure intent matters in this case.

Roland99

(53,342 posts)

5. Maryland case is being considered for 1st Amendment issues

Reply to unblock (Reply #3)

Sat Jan 13, 2018, 10:55 AM

Jan 2018

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/courts_law/2017/12/08/4fde65f4-dc66-11e7-b1a8-62589434a581_story.html

And I believe a Texas case could be headed to SCOTUS too

dalton99a

(81,515 posts)

7. Supreme Court takes up Texas redistricting case

Reply to Roland99 (Reply #5)

Sat Jan 13, 2018, 11:09 AM

Jan 2018

http://www.cnn.com/2018/01/12/politics/texas-redistricting-supreme-court/index.html
Supreme Court takes up Texas redistricting case
By Ariane de Vogue, CNN Supreme Court Reporter
Updated 3:33 PM ET, Fri January 12, 2018

Example of Texas gerrymandering by the GOP:

mountain grammy

(26,623 posts)

8. Fucking cheating Texas Republicans.

Reply to dalton99a (Reply #7)

Sat Jan 13, 2018, 11:23 AM

Jan 2018

win by cheating, and SCOTUS will probably approve it, because Republicans.

SWBTATTReg

(22,130 posts)

12. Wow...I didn't realize how screwed up this is...

Reply to mountain grammy (Reply #8)

Sat Jan 13, 2018, 12:01 PM

Jan 2018

Under what conceivable logic are these boundaries drawn? Boundaries need to be redrawn by totally independent body, or kind of like the process where (1) one party cuts pie and then other party picks first, and then so on and on...you know that concept of ensuring everyone gets a fair piece of the pie logic...

Thanks for posting.

mountain grammy

(26,623 posts)

13. Republican "win at any cost" logic.

Reply to SWBTATTReg (Reply #12)

Sat Jan 13, 2018, 12:09 PM

Jan 2018

Some of the strongest Democrats of my lifetime came out of Texas.. LBJ, Barbara Jordan, Jim Hightower, etc., etc., etc. No more.

SWBTATTReg

(22,130 posts)

19. Yes, LBJ civil rights act...go TX!

Reply to mountain grammy (Reply #13)

Sat Jan 13, 2018, 12:27 PM

Jan 2018

flying_wahini

(6,606 posts)

11. We have known this for decades and STILL can't get any traction in Tx !

Reply to dalton99a (Reply #7)

Sat Jan 13, 2018, 11:59 AM

Jan 2018

Pretty clear as long as they rule the courts and appoint all the judges we don't have a chance of changing it.
Texas is bluer than most people imagine.

AJT

(5,240 posts)

2. I live in WI and we are the state that has the gerrymandering case

Reply to spanone (Original post)

Sat Jan 13, 2018, 10:16 AM

Jan 2018

before the US supreme court. The court heard the case in October and we're still waiting for a decision. I don't hold out much hope with this court.

spanone

(135,844 posts)

21. Good luck....this court is not friendly to both parties since gorsuch

Reply to AJT (Reply #2)

Sat Jan 13, 2018, 02:26 PM

Jan 2018

dsc

(52,162 posts)

4. try living it

Reply to spanone (Original post)

Sat Jan 13, 2018, 10:50 AM

Jan 2018

In 2012 we got a majority of the two party vote for Congress and the GOP got 9 seats and would have gotten 10 except we won the closest race in the country (about 600 votes out of over 200,000 cast) we got 4. In 2016, we got around 49% of the two party vote and the gop got 10 seats and we got 3.

Honeycombe8

(37,648 posts)

6. They're unscrupulous & corrupt. I hope the Court found that to be illegal, too. nt

Reply to spanone (Original post)

Sat Jan 13, 2018, 11:07 AM

Jan 2018

Bernardo de La Paz

(49,002 posts)

9. Winning states is where gerrymandering gets stopped cold & permanently. Independent commissions. nt

Reply to spanone (Original post)

Sat Jan 13, 2018, 11:35 AM

Jan 2018

SWBTATTReg

(22,130 posts)

10. Keep fighting for our right to equal representation under the law...we

Reply to spanone (Original post)

Sat Jan 13, 2018, 11:58 AM

Jan 2018

need to prove via math and logic that our rights to equal representation are being taken away...getting to the point that we're worst than a 3rd world country in voting rights...