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Siwsan

(26,268 posts)
Sat Jan 13, 2018, 10:12 AM Jan 2018

I don't think a psych/neuro exam should ever be 'optional' for a POTUS annual medical exam

Considering the weight of the burden of responsibility, I actually think the psych/neuro element is even more important than the traditional 'physical' portion. This is even more true when dealing with an erratic 71 year old with a family history of Alzheimer's.

And the fact that trump* "opted out" of a psych eval, let along a psych/neuro exam, tells me that he, or his handlers, know that big red flags will be raised. As a result, I am even more concerned than ever.

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janterry

(4,429 posts)
1. I think there should be a neurological workup
Sat Jan 13, 2018, 10:27 AM
Jan 2018

But a psychiatric exam is fraught with bias (it just is, I'm afraid).

A neurological workup would be fine - as part of a general fitness exam. I'm all for it

Siwsan

(26,268 posts)
5. Psychiatrist (not Psychologist) and Neurologist input can sometimes both be needed for a diagnosis
Sat Jan 13, 2018, 10:56 AM
Jan 2018

There are some conditions that are physiologically, rather than emotionally, based and need a bit more intense of a work up than a psychologist is trained to do, and medications that a psychologist is not able to prescribe.

I agree that a psychological exam to diagnose behavioral issues can be subjective. In other words, is the problem physiological or psychological.

 

janterry

(4,429 posts)
6. I'm afraid that's how I view all of psychiatry
Sat Jan 13, 2018, 11:04 AM
Jan 2018

and the DSM. There are folks that want (indeed do!) believe that the science is 'pretty' well proven -
but I'm not in that camp (there are plenty of critics out there like me).

But it's a debate that many of us participate in (medical model folks and not quite so medical model folks!)

FWIW, I've been in the field a long time and have stood on - and observed - our shifting diagnostic sands .

BTW, in some states, psychologists can prescribe meds.

Siwsan

(26,268 posts)
8. I didn't know that about prescribing
Sat Jan 13, 2018, 11:16 AM
Jan 2018

My profession was credentialing physicians, physician assistants, nurse practitioners and behavioral health practitioners. I spend many years digging into and verifying educational requirements and practice limitations. (The worst part of the job was reviewing malpractice cases - both filed, dismissed and settled.)

My gut and personal experience says that trump* definitely needs an intense neurological work up. And, don't get me wrong - a strong psychiatric and/or psychological work up, too, but his behavior is so ingrained, I doubt there is anything that can regulate him.

 

janterry

(4,429 posts)
10. I think there was a time
Sat Jan 13, 2018, 11:30 AM
Jan 2018

well, I hope there was a time, when it would have been possible to sit down with Donald and talk to a real person. Perhaps when he was five?

He's just a caricature of a man, now. I mean you can say it's narcissism - he sure is narcissistic. But you're right, it's so ingrained, there's almost nothing underneath, anymore. I find it remarkable that anyone married him (I mean, I've never dated anyone who I coudn't 'find' - emotionally). I can't imagine, even for money, actually trying to form a relationship with him.

I hope the shame of these years will really move us forward, as a country. That's the only good that could come out of this mess

RKP5637

(67,111 posts)
3. ... but they definitely should be IMO, as well as a neurological exam. Too much is at stake
Sat Jan 13, 2018, 10:44 AM
Jan 2018

in today's world.

Siwsan

(26,268 posts)
4. I'll add that to my list of concerns
Sat Jan 13, 2018, 10:44 AM
Jan 2018

The whole 'job requirements' article needs a major overhaul, IMHO.

Siwsan

(26,268 posts)
12. I have absolutely no idea what you mean by 'belling the cat'
Sat Jan 13, 2018, 02:21 PM
Jan 2018

Admittedly, I'm going on 14 months of sleeping an average of 4 hours a night, so my brain is a little thought-logged.

X_Digger

(18,585 posts)
13. All the mice think it a good idea to tie a bell around the cat's neck..
Sat Jan 13, 2018, 03:46 PM
Jan 2018

.. but they get stuck when nobody volunteers for the job.

So- are you going to propose the constitutional amendment to make your idea a reality?

Or are you just another "mouse" coming up with great ideas that someone else should implement?

Siwsan

(26,268 posts)
14. Really?
Sat Jan 13, 2018, 03:56 PM
Jan 2018

Apparently expressing something I have mused about, in my addled brain, for what ever reason triggered an accusatory confrontation, on your part. Not a good way to have constructive discourse so I won't waste anymore of your or my time.

blogslut

(38,002 posts)
15. Neurology isn't just about cognitive abilities.
Sat Jan 13, 2018, 03:56 PM
Jan 2018

There are numerous physiological disorders that have to do with the nervous system. A physical without a neurological examination is incomplete.

Siwsan

(26,268 posts)
16. Absolutely. My concern are his behaviors that trigger alarm bells, on my part
Sat Jan 13, 2018, 04:03 PM
Jan 2018

For starters, I'd love it if they would ask him to draw the face of a clock. It's not a definitive way to make a diagnosis, but the inability to perform that simple task can be a major sign about something that could be taking place in his brain.

Admittedly, I am probably overly sensitive to Dementia/Alzheimer's signs and symptoms because I've had to deal with it, directly, in my family.

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