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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsIf trump received the bogus "missiles are inbound" text, could he have launched?
This refers to the message that all of Hawaii got on their phones this morning in error about inbound missiles being imminent and to seek shelter immediately.
The text was sent in error. Are there any safeguards that would prevent trump from launching what he believes to be a retaliatory strike if he were to get this text on his unsecured phone?
Is there anyone that he'd check with first to make sure it wasn't a bogus text?
In_The_Wind
(72,300 posts)rogue emissary
(3,148 posts)Lurks Often
(5,455 posts)Link: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/North_American_Aerospace_Defense_Command
and NORAD will base their warning on data received from both satellites and long range radar station and the computers will calculate the number of missiles and their most likely target(s) probably within 5 minutes.
NightWatcher
(39,343 posts)And quickly tweeted out positions that were contrary to his administration's positions.
If he could be duped by the giggle sofa tumors, he could be fooled by an official text.
Lurks Often
(5,455 posts)rogue emissary
(3,148 posts)Especially when they tell him something he doesn't want to believe.
malaise
(269,042 posts)Eliot Rosewater
(31,112 posts)Kingofalldems
(38,458 posts)Good thing for us.
TheCowsCameHome
(40,168 posts)Irish_Dem
(47,124 posts)They let him play with his cell phone and make tweets.
But somebody else is handling the important stuff.
(The Wolff book makes this sound like the case.)
This actually makes the danger level go down.
C_U_L8R
(45,003 posts)former9thward
(32,019 posts)No President launches a nuclear attack. There is no "button", big or not, that a President pushes. And no President is receiving text messages, real or not, about missiles. The military presents the President with information on an attack, assuming its missiles, it would be from NORAD. This information is available to the President wherever on the globe they are.
The military gives options and the President then can authorize an attack through codes contained in the "nuclear football" which is near the President wherever they are at, 24/7. The only people pushing buttons that actually launch the attack are teenagers, or near teens, on subs, bombers and in missile silos.
john657
(1,058 posts)Amazing how many people think that all a president has to do is push a button.
Ms. Toad
(34,074 posts)Yes. Trump has the ability to launch the attack.
Despite the reality that actual information is available to him, he is under no obligation to give that information any more weight than he gives his beloved Fox news.
So, even though there are protocols set up, and he is not literally pushing the button that launches the attack, the reality is that he could choose to initiate a nuclear war based on a text message (or a tweet, or a chyron on Fox news), and the only means to stop the attack would be for the military to refuse to carry out the direct orders of their commander in chief.
former9thward
(32,019 posts)The military would not launch, based on nothing, despite what you think.
Ms. Toad
(34,074 posts)But even with Bush, we have never previously had a commander in chief who preferred rely on Fox News even when the daily intelligence briefings (assuming they are still occurring) were reduced to single page flattery jobs to keep his attention..
The military indoctrination of nearly blind obedience to command - and the risks associated with disobeying the orders of a military commander, even when they are blatantly illegal - are so high that disobedience is uncommon, if not rare.
I am sure you are aware of, or remember, My Lai Massacre, in which one of the primary defenses offered was that they were just following their commander's orders.
I do not inherently trust that the military personnel that would need to risk court martial, or even their lives, to disobey Trump would actually do so. History suggests the opposite is a more common outcome - that soldiers go along, deferring the decision-making/blame for the wrong decision to their superiors.
Journeyman
(15,036 posts)at least, it is in the silos.
And I can't speak for the subs, but the bombers and silo officers I knew were all in their late 20s, early 30s.
former9thward
(32,019 posts)The subs skew younger than the others.
BzaDem
(11,142 posts)lame54
(35,293 posts)You know - the place that Obama claims he was born
It's not like it was a threat on America
Demsrule86
(68,586 posts)with him at all times.