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NightWatcher

(39,343 posts)
Sat Jan 13, 2018, 02:59 PM Jan 2018

If trump received the bogus "missiles are inbound" text, could he have launched?

This refers to the message that all of Hawaii got on their phones this morning in error about inbound missiles being imminent and to seek shelter immediately.

The text was sent in error. Are there any safeguards that would prevent trump from launching what he believes to be a retaliatory strike if he were to get this text on his unsecured phone?

Is there anyone that he'd check with first to make sure it wasn't a bogus text?

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If trump received the bogus "missiles are inbound" text, could he have launched? (Original Post) NightWatcher Jan 2018 OP
Great question. In_The_Wind Jan 2018 #1
+1 rogue emissary Jan 2018 #4
A president is going to rely on NORAD, not a text message Lurks Often Jan 2018 #2
No, a SANE President would rely on NORAD. trump has been fooled by Fox & Friends twice NightWatcher Jan 2018 #5
Tell me, how does Hawaii know a missile is inbound? Lurks Often Jan 2018 #9
True but he doesn't trust his own government. rogue emissary Jan 2018 #6
Sent by whom? n/t malaise Jan 2018 #3
KGB hack... Eliot Rosewater Jan 2018 #7
Shocker, he's back in Mar-a-lago today. Kingofalldems Jan 2018 #8
Not until his round of golf was over. TheCowsCameHome Jan 2018 #10
I think his minders have him on a short leash. Irish_Dem Jan 2018 #11
First, he would have shat his tight-whities C_U_L8R Jan 2018 #12
People watch too many movies. former9thward Jan 2018 #13
Absolutely correct. john657 Jan 2018 #14
Whether it is literally a button push that directly launches the missile or not Ms. Toad Jan 2018 #15
Your last paragraph applies to any President. former9thward Jan 2018 #17
I didn't say it applied just to Trump - what a silly thing to suggest. Ms. Toad Jan 2018 #19
And even then, it's not buttons it's keys . . . Journeyman Jan 2018 #16
Yes, that's fair. former9thward Jan 2018 #18
As long as he doesn't see an emergency alert warning on Fox and Friends, we're fine. n/t BzaDem Jan 2018 #20
Why - It's only Hawaii... lame54 Jan 2018 #21
Yes He could have. And he should have known. He is supposed to have the suitcase Demsrule86 Jan 2018 #22
 

Lurks Often

(5,455 posts)
2. A president is going to rely on NORAD, not a text message
Sat Jan 13, 2018, 03:04 PM
Jan 2018

Link: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/North_American_Aerospace_Defense_Command

and NORAD will base their warning on data received from both satellites and long range radar station and the computers will calculate the number of missiles and their most likely target(s) probably within 5 minutes.

NightWatcher

(39,343 posts)
5. No, a SANE President would rely on NORAD. trump has been fooled by Fox & Friends twice
Sat Jan 13, 2018, 03:07 PM
Jan 2018

And quickly tweeted out positions that were contrary to his administration's positions.

If he could be duped by the giggle sofa tumors, he could be fooled by an official text.

rogue emissary

(3,148 posts)
6. True but he doesn't trust his own government.
Sat Jan 13, 2018, 03:08 PM
Jan 2018

Especially when they tell him something he doesn't want to believe.

Irish_Dem

(47,124 posts)
11. I think his minders have him on a short leash.
Sat Jan 13, 2018, 03:19 PM
Jan 2018

They let him play with his cell phone and make tweets.
But somebody else is handling the important stuff.
(The Wolff book makes this sound like the case.)

This actually makes the danger level go down.

former9thward

(32,019 posts)
13. People watch too many movies.
Sat Jan 13, 2018, 04:10 PM
Jan 2018

No President launches a nuclear attack. There is no "button", big or not, that a President pushes. And no President is receiving text messages, real or not, about missiles. The military presents the President with information on an attack, assuming its missiles, it would be from NORAD. This information is available to the President wherever on the globe they are.

The military gives options and the President then can authorize an attack through codes contained in the "nuclear football" which is near the President wherever they are at, 24/7. The only people pushing buttons that actually launch the attack are teenagers, or near teens, on subs, bombers and in missile silos.

 

john657

(1,058 posts)
14. Absolutely correct.
Sat Jan 13, 2018, 04:16 PM
Jan 2018

Amazing how many people think that all a president has to do is push a button.

Ms. Toad

(34,074 posts)
15. Whether it is literally a button push that directly launches the missile or not
Sat Jan 13, 2018, 04:17 PM
Jan 2018

Yes. Trump has the ability to launch the attack.

Despite the reality that actual information is available to him, he is under no obligation to give that information any more weight than he gives his beloved Fox news.

So, even though there are protocols set up, and he is not literally pushing the button that launches the attack, the reality is that he could choose to initiate a nuclear war based on a text message (or a tweet, or a chyron on Fox news), and the only means to stop the attack would be for the military to refuse to carry out the direct orders of their commander in chief.

former9thward

(32,019 posts)
17. Your last paragraph applies to any President.
Sat Jan 13, 2018, 04:21 PM
Jan 2018

The military would not launch, based on nothing, despite what you think.

Ms. Toad

(34,074 posts)
19. I didn't say it applied just to Trump - what a silly thing to suggest.
Sat Jan 13, 2018, 04:42 PM
Jan 2018

But even with Bush, we have never previously had a commander in chief who preferred rely on Fox News even when the daily intelligence briefings (assuming they are still occurring) were reduced to single page flattery jobs to keep his attention..

The military indoctrination of nearly blind obedience to command - and the risks associated with disobeying the orders of a military commander, even when they are blatantly illegal - are so high that disobedience is uncommon, if not rare.

I am sure you are aware of, or remember, My Lai Massacre, in which one of the primary defenses offered was that they were just following their commander's orders.

I do not inherently trust that the military personnel that would need to risk court martial, or even their lives, to disobey Trump would actually do so. History suggests the opposite is a more common outcome - that soldiers go along, deferring the decision-making/blame for the wrong decision to their superiors.

Journeyman

(15,036 posts)
16. And even then, it's not buttons it's keys . . .
Sat Jan 13, 2018, 04:20 PM
Jan 2018

at least, it is in the silos.

And I can't speak for the subs, but the bombers and silo officers I knew were all in their late 20s, early 30s.

lame54

(35,293 posts)
21. Why - It's only Hawaii...
Sat Jan 13, 2018, 04:52 PM
Jan 2018

You know - the place that Obama claims he was born
It's not like it was a threat on America

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