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nolabear

(41,987 posts)
Sat Jan 13, 2018, 03:36 PM Jan 2018

Good God. Weve gone full Strangelove.

The fact that we can easily imagine a madman launching an attack that could result in another madman annihilating is either going to wake somebody up or we’re just going to learn to live with terror.

Poor people. Can y’all imagine huddling in fear?

We need help.

Where IS that madman anyway? Has anyone gone out to the course and told him?

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Good God. Weve gone full Strangelove. (Original Post) nolabear Jan 2018 OP
It sure seems we were close to a nuclear annihilation. I surely don't know all of the safeties RKP5637 Jan 2018 #1
Someone pushed the wrong button. Ms. Toad Jan 2018 #15
Thanks!!! n/t RKP5637 Jan 2018 #22
You never go full Strangelove C_U_L8R Jan 2018 #2
Love indeed. And the promise of voting to lower the threat. nolabear Jan 2018 #4
I think America is on edge, waiting for something bad to happen. Irish_Dem Jan 2018 #3
Thats exactly right. We in Seattle are unsettled. nolabear Jan 2018 #5
We have incompetent and corrupt leadership. Does not inspire trust. nt Irish_Dem Jan 2018 #8
this is worse than W's color coded scares withoutapaddle Jan 2018 #6
The color coding scare was on purpose. I think people worry that with Trump Irish_Dem Jan 2018 #7
True. withoutapaddle Jan 2018 #9
I got some reassurance from the Wolff book that Trump is in adult care. Irish_Dem Jan 2018 #10
Your sig line! murielm99 Jan 2018 #16
Emily is my soulmate lol withoutapaddle Jan 2018 #18
My sig line is from the Declaration of Independence written by Thomas Jefferson. Irish_Dem Jan 2018 #31
Oh, no. murielm99 Jan 2018 #46
Yes that is my sense of things right now, the danger level is lowered. Irish_Dem Jan 2018 #52
The GOP have done this. pangaia Jan 2018 #29
I was thinking War Games. nt Ferrets are Cool Jan 2018 #11
1) SHITLER creates context of anxiety/nerves. 2) Anything on his watch is all *his*. UTUSN Jan 2018 #12
Here's what happened. orangecrush Jan 2018 #13
Yes, crying wolf, is never good -no matter the context. riversedge Jan 2018 #27
I still have a problem with a protocol that would allow an employee to dhol82 Jan 2018 #30
Those are questions orangecrush Jan 2018 #33
One hopes! dhol82 Jan 2018 #34
I went through some CERTs training this summer orangecrush Jan 2018 #40
Good. dhol82 Jan 2018 #41
Years ago there was a false attack announcement on TV when someone put the wrong tape on... PoliticAverse Jan 2018 #39
One would think... orangecrush Jan 2018 #42
Kong rides the bomb. Different Drummer Jan 2018 #14
... orangecrush Jan 2018 #20
Yeah, that seems to be where we are headed. dhol82 Jan 2018 #32
very comparable to movie bluestarone Jan 2018 #17
OUTSTANDING movie! orangecrush Jan 2018 #19
That one for sure. I have another suggestion as well. longship Jan 2018 #24
Both are great trailers! orangecrush Jan 2018 #38
TY saw the first one. Good movie! bluestarone Jan 2018 #43
Yes, Strangelove parodied Failsafe. Want to bet it shows up on TMC? nolabear Jan 2018 #26
that's intense orangecrush Jan 2018 #35
Weirdly, Fail-Safe and Dr. Strangelove were from the same literary source. n/t Orange Free State Jan 2018 #28
interesting! orangecrush Jan 2018 #36
Nope. Not true. longship Jan 2018 #44
Whoops, I remember the suit now Orange Free State Jan 2018 #47
It was complicated. longship Jan 2018 #48
Ill be darned. Thanks for educating me! nolabear Jan 2018 #51
Not to worry. It'll be a sunny day and we'll... griloco Jan 2018 #21
... orangecrush Jan 2018 #37
That scene should be presented in context. longship Jan 2018 #50
Wonder how the Trump voters in Hawaii randr Jan 2018 #23
He is a coward. This is the last thing I worry about. He does not have the guts to do anything. Hamlette Jan 2018 #25
Do not ride the bomb! Initech Jan 2018 #45
My sis in law PasadenaTrudy Jan 2018 #49

RKP5637

(67,111 posts)
1. It sure seems we were close to a nuclear annihilation. I surely don't know all of the safeties
Sat Jan 13, 2018, 03:40 PM
Jan 2018

involved, but that sure seems like it was close. I wonder if we'll get the "real" story on why an alert went out like that.

Ms. Toad

(34,075 posts)
15. Someone pushed the wrong button.
Sat Jan 13, 2018, 05:16 PM
Jan 2018

Just like someone back in 1971, at the time for the regularly scheduled test, loaded the wrong tape into the transmitter, and a real alert - rather than the test one - went out.

Irish_Dem

(47,131 posts)
3. I think America is on edge, waiting for something bad to happen.
Sat Jan 13, 2018, 03:41 PM
Jan 2018

Trump and the GOP have done this to us.

nolabear

(41,987 posts)
5. Thats exactly right. We in Seattle are unsettled.
Sat Jan 13, 2018, 03:44 PM
Jan 2018

The possibility is all too real. And I don’t tend toward hysteria typically.

withoutapaddle

(263 posts)
6. this is worse than W's color coded scares
Sat Jan 13, 2018, 03:46 PM
Jan 2018

It's continuous and we're being terrorized by our own fking "president".

Irish_Dem

(47,131 posts)
7. The color coding scare was on purpose. I think people worry that with Trump
Sat Jan 13, 2018, 03:55 PM
Jan 2018

everything is an accident waiting to happen.

withoutapaddle

(263 posts)
9. True.
Sat Jan 13, 2018, 04:13 PM
Jan 2018

Trump is a product of mass racism, paranoia, hate, bigotry, (essentially every single divisive emotion and thought that exists).

He is the "brand" for hatemongers. What truly makes him more scary is he really is unhinged. I try not to label people as crazy, but this man is an unstable evil.

Irish_Dem

(47,131 posts)
10. I got some reassurance from the Wolff book that Trump is in adult care.
Sat Jan 13, 2018, 04:46 PM
Jan 2018

His minders all know he is crazy and ignorant, so they lie to him to keep him calm.
They also park him in front of the TV which he enjoys, and let him tweet to blow off steam.
Somebody else is minding the store.

murielm99

(30,745 posts)
16. Your sig line!
Sat Jan 13, 2018, 05:20 PM
Jan 2018

It is from one of my favorite poems.

How dreary to be somebody!
How public, like a frog
To tell your name the livelong day
To an admiring bog!

Emily Dickinson.

I used to work at the public library here. Many of our strutting, preening small town library board members reminded me of that poem on a daily basis. Not everyone who goes into public service does so because they want to serve others.

The poem also fits trump to a "T."

withoutapaddle

(263 posts)
18. Emily is my soulmate lol
Sat Jan 13, 2018, 05:36 PM
Jan 2018

Hope is the thing with feathers and experience are among my other favorites.

Our libraries are our lifelines to information. Thank you!

Irish_Dem

(47,131 posts)
31. My sig line is from the Declaration of Independence written by Thomas Jefferson.
Sat Jan 13, 2018, 06:39 PM
Jan 2018

I think you must mean another post unless Jefferson wrote the King a poem too.

murielm99

(30,745 posts)
46. Oh, no.
Sat Jan 13, 2018, 09:17 PM
Jan 2018

I was replying to withoutapaddle.

I feel somewhat reassured by your post about the book. I truly hope someone else is minding the store, someone a bit less crazy.

Irish_Dem

(47,131 posts)
52. Yes that is my sense of things right now, the danger level is lowered.
Sun Jan 14, 2018, 11:59 AM
Jan 2018

I have a great deal of education and experience assessing danger levels
in the mentally ill population. And I was reassured after reading excerpts
in the Wolff book. His staff is managing him to prevent things spinning too much out
of control. The military and congress also know the problems. Even Trump's own
attorneys lie to him to keep him calm.

For example, I suspect that Trump canceling his trip to London was due to manipulation
by his staff. He wanted to go I am sure, he loves pomp and pageantry like only the British
can do. But I think his staff knew it might be dangerous with the protests and would be an
obvious trip of humiliation. So they came up with ridiculous reasons why he could
not go and Trump bought the embassy one. There is no way Trump was smart enough
to have done research on the embassy being moved, etc. Someone had to present
that story to him.

It is possible that Kelly and Pence are running the show.

Of course all of this is speculation, and reading between the lines.

Edited to add: And at times he appears to be medicated, he slurs his speech, and
comes across with a flat affect and is docile, out of character for him.

orangecrush

(19,572 posts)
13. Here's what happened.
Sat Jan 13, 2018, 05:07 PM
Jan 2018


Mystery solved!

"Hawaii residents woke up to a text message warning of an imminent missile attack on Saturday, though authorities quickly said there was no such threat. “Ballistic missile threat inbound to Hawaii. Seek shelter immediately. This is not a drill,” the warning read. The Hawaii Emergency Management Agency tweeted out a statement saying there is “no missile threat” to the area after news of the alerts had flooded Twitter. Hawaii Gov. David Ige later said the warning and subsequent panic were caused by an employee pressing the “wrong button” during a shift change."

https://www.thedailybeast.com/fake-missile-alert-sent-out-to-hawaii-residents


This is very, very bad.

Now in the event of an actual attack, warnings might be ignored.

dhol82

(9,353 posts)
30. I still have a problem with a protocol that would allow an employee to
Sat Jan 13, 2018, 06:39 PM
Jan 2018

Just inadvertently push the wrong button.
What, he tripped and landed on THE button?
Some of the guys were fake fighting and fell on THE button?
This is ridiculous. How can such an important piece of the first call protection system be so easy to fuck up?

orangecrush

(19,572 posts)
40. I went through some CERTs training this summer
Sat Jan 13, 2018, 06:58 PM
Jan 2018

(Community Emergency Response Team) and met some Emergency Management folks.

They take their jobs extremely seriously, you can bet there will be hell to pay for this.

PoliticAverse

(26,366 posts)
39. Years ago there was a false attack announcement on TV when someone put the wrong tape on...
Sat Jan 13, 2018, 06:57 PM
Jan 2018

during what was supposed to be a test alert.

You'd think a real announcement would require entering a password or at least pressing a second button.

longship

(40,416 posts)
24. That one for sure. I have another suggestion as well.
Sat Jan 13, 2018, 06:18 PM
Jan 2018

Fail-Safe had a great role for Larry Hagman, as the Translator, Walter Matthau, as the Pentagon advisor hawk, and Dan O'Herlihy, absolutely chilling as the always ethical General Black. The latter deserved a supporting actor award. A great film, regretfully overshadowed by Dr. Strangelove, my favorite film of all time.

Then, there's this one.


(I know. Horrible trailer.)
Way underrated flick. Gregory Peck turns in his usual good performance. Ava Gardner is stunning. And Fred Astaire is surprising in his first dramatic role. I hope that one likes Waltzing Matilda. However, it's never been done like this before:


Plus, John Meillon (of Crocodile Dundee fame) has a role, too. He's the sailor dropped off in his home town SanFran by his choice to die. (I know, not the most positive film narrative. It's Stanley Kramer, after all.)

nolabear

(41,987 posts)
26. Yes, Strangelove parodied Failsafe. Want to bet it shows up on TMC?
Sat Jan 13, 2018, 06:28 PM
Jan 2018

I’ve said before I spent several early years on a SAC base during the Cuban Missile Crisis and those alerts scared us families. I had nightmares for a long time about telephones making horrifying siren sounds. I was an adult before I realized they represented the alert sirens and the subsequent phone call to let us know our fathers had just flown off in a drill, not a real attack.

longship

(40,416 posts)
44. Nope. Not true.
Sat Jan 13, 2018, 07:39 PM
Jan 2018

I read both books in my youth.

Fail-Safe was written by Eugene Burdick and Harvey Wheeler.

Red Alert by Peter George was the inspiration for Dr. Strangelove.

There is some inevitable confusion about this as Peter George and Stanley Kubrick successfully sued to get the Fail-Safe release delayed due to their similar narratives. But there is no doubt of their origins.

There you have it.

Orange Free State

(611 posts)
47. Whoops, I remember the suit now
Sat Jan 13, 2018, 10:32 PM
Jan 2018

The author of Red Alert settled out of court, so there was enough similarity in the two books, but they were not the same book. My bad.

longship

(40,416 posts)
48. It was complicated.
Sat Jan 13, 2018, 10:40 PM
Jan 2018

And the author of Red Alert and Kubrick won the suit, settled out of court, but they managed to delay the release of Fail-Safe by months. It therefore failed at the box office, although it was every bit a very good film.

longship

(40,416 posts)
50. That scene should be presented in context.
Sat Jan 13, 2018, 10:46 PM
Jan 2018

And with original film.


Stupid thing is cut off.

Here's the rest of it:


Sometimes YouTubers are just plain stupid.

Oh well!


Hamlette

(15,412 posts)
25. He is a coward. This is the last thing I worry about. He does not have the guts to do anything.
Sat Jan 13, 2018, 06:23 PM
Jan 2018

Have you noticed he doesn't ever fire his people himself? That was his signature move from TV but he has someone else do it or does it on paper.

He is the cowardly lion. Only not as cute.

PasadenaTrudy

(3,998 posts)
49. My sis in law
Sat Jan 13, 2018, 10:43 PM
Jan 2018

lives on the Big Island. She got the alert, figured it was a hoax, rolled over and went back to sleep

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