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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsThe Real Question: How Did That Hawaiian False Attack Alarm Happen? UPDATED!
So far, I haven't seen any report on that. How it happened is far more important that the fact that it happened. That was cleared up fairly quickly. If it wasn't just a bonehead mistake by someone, then it may have come from outside, and that's a very, very serious matter, indeed.
Update: Apparently, it was a mistake on the part of someone in Hawaii, according to the Governor of HI. That's a relief.
RKP5637
(67,111 posts)MineralMan
(146,317 posts)so far. If it was a stupid error on the part of someone, we should already know that. Otherwise, this is very worrisome.
RKP5637
(67,111 posts)True Dough
(17,305 posts)MineralMan
(146,317 posts)That would be absolutely the worst possible reason, I think.
True Dough
(17,305 posts)There was lots of speculation that Trump was itching for war with North Korea over the past several months, which would be be catastrophic, of course. But it would also have taken the focus off of Dolt 45's various other issues and agenda failures.
However, things took a turn for the better recently with reduced North Korean missile tests and diplomatic talks with South Korea.
The impetus for war has been greatly diminished. BUT, if the Pentagon created this nuclear missile false alarm on the president's order and then that is blamed on North Korean hacking. Hmm.
I generally eschew the conspiracy theorists but I wouldn't put that one past desperate Donald.
peggysue2
(10,832 posts)Which was the first thing I thought of: please make this a dumb human error story and not the alternative.
bpositive
(423 posts)Then there are total f&$k ups. Someone needs to be fired- no one should be in this position of power who cant handle it.
In light of all the issues with the 🍊 one and North Korea there is no acceptable margin of error.
john657
(1,058 posts)someone pushed the wrong button.
The warning went out to cell phones, Television and radio got the emergency alert, he says.
MineralMan
(146,317 posts)Sounds like they need a serious look at some sort of interlock for that button, eh?
john657
(1,058 posts)and maybe a termination of an employee?
sunonmars
(8,656 posts)There should be some sort of safeguard over that button, but apparently not.
MineralMan
(146,317 posts)They'd better be.
RKP5637
(67,111 posts)Dave Starsky
(5,914 posts)of Far-Out Space Nuts.
LuvLoogie
(7,011 posts)I want to see the person who made the mistake named in a report.
Will that be the excuse given when we launch WMD? "We pushed the wrong button?"
What rank sends that alert? Who gives the order to send that alert?
I have more questions...
LuvLoogie
(7,011 posts)john657
(1,058 posts)A big boo boo.
GeorgeGist
(25,321 posts)BS.
dumbcat
(2,120 posts)the fact that their system was hacked. They would rather have you believe it was a simple mistake rather than people realize their shyster is vulnerable to hackers.
john657
(1,058 posts)dumbcat
(2,120 posts)I've been there.
john657
(1,058 posts)do you have any proof of what you claim?
dumbcat
(2,120 posts)Standards appear to vary widely.
john657
(1,058 posts)not opinions, guesses, or feelings
cilla4progress
(24,736 posts)I've got some beachfront in AZ to sell you.
Crap - MS Word asks me if I really want to delete that file before it initiates! We're supposed to believe there's no failsafe?
It's Russia. I'm sure of it.
bearsfootball516
(6,377 posts)sunonmars
(8,656 posts)john657
(1,058 posts)Absent of any other proof, I'll go with what the Democrat Governor of Hawaii said.
Stellar
(5,644 posts)Perhaps he thinks that his"Shithead" controversy has gone on far to long.
The Velveteen Ocelot
(115,734 posts)can't happen? It's a good thing Orange Foolius was out golfing instead of fondling his Big Button...
MineralMan
(146,317 posts)I suspect that changes will be made instanter...
sunonmars
(8,656 posts)The Velveteen Ocelot
(115,734 posts)Ferrets are Cool
(21,107 posts)C_U_L8R
(45,003 posts)Our Hawaiian friends spent 38 minutes in terror.
And it only takes 20 minutes for a missile to fly from North Korea.
MineralMan
(146,317 posts)Someone will be on the unemployment line, I'm certain.
This kind of thing happening is really bush league. It is an illustration of how poor emergency planning really is. Whoever designed the alert system has very poor knowledge of implementing safeguards against false alarms.
It would be unbelievable, except stuff like this happens all the time. Poor planning.
FarCenter
(19,429 posts)Hawaiian Islands are pretty spread out.
FreepFryer
(7,077 posts)It wouldnt be the first time. In 2013, for example software and equipment by the firm Monroe that is used to managed emergency alert systems was the target of a hack during which EAS equipment operated by broadcasters in Montana, Michigan and other states was compromised and used to issue an alert claiming that the dead are rising from their graves, and advising residents not to attempt to apprehend them. Researcher Mike Davis of the firm IOActive discovered those flaws and, later, in the digital alerting systems DASDEC application servers, which receive and authenticate EAS messages. A scan of the public Internet at the time by IOActive found 412 systems running vulnerable Monroe Electronics software. A subsequent patch by Monroe to address some security issues in its products failed to address serious security issues.
The software that controls civil defense and alerting systems like the Dallas sirens is often vulnerable to both network and application-focused attacks, experts say. I would venture to guess that this is a relatively new frontier for that kind of software even to think about an application focused attack, Jung said. In 20 years in (information security) Ive never seen static code analysis of one of those boxes, he said, referring to the siren systems.
https://securityledger.com/2017/04/hack-of-dallas-sirens-not-the-first-or-last-on-emergency-systems-experts-warn/
MineralMan
(146,317 posts)It shouldn't be, but it certainly is.
You know those digital road signs on trailers that get put out to warn drivers of hazards? They're incredibly easy to hack. All you need is the portable programming device used to program them. While the sign can be password protected, typically they are not, which means that anyone can change the message on them if they have one of those programmer devices. And those are available for separate purchase.
FreepFryer
(7,077 posts)MineralMan
(146,317 posts)pwb
(11,276 posts)Russia and North Korea are beating us with cyber attacks. I think they even made our navy ships collided. Not to mention our elections. But we will keep building ships and planes that will be made useless from cyber technologies . My two cents.
Turbineguy
(37,343 posts)The first design assumption is that nobody would push that button by mistake. The second assumption is that you would want easy access to that button to avoid any delays in case of a missile attack.
LastLiberal in PalmSprings
(12,586 posts)then you've got to doubly careful what you say and what buttons you push;
"The Bedford Incident"
HipChick
(25,485 posts)or lack thereof..