owners are the ones shipping the jobs out of the country.

Think one level below conman promises, please.

Hillary and the Dems were at least advocating for job training, education and the ACA, way more than 6 measly months of healthcare.

This is just why repugs love education cuts—these people don't do critical thinking and thus fall for repug cons everytime — not to mention the other elephant in the room—trump is a white man, not a woman and not a black man.

Trump is the president they knowingly elected. Every day people are kidnapped into holding camps for just one of many crimes against humanity. The people who voted believing he would "save" their jobs believed he would fulfill other promises also.

And even bigotry for some of them was a very minor note at best. A lot of conservatives just don't want change, they want things the way were, and for them it's far more about resisting the change Democrats promise than it is about racial malice.

Those who voted for him chose to empower him to get what they wanted, but they own it all.

But we should all also worry about how supporting him is changing them.

but the times and the browning country are not the same.

Bigotry is a huge part of it.

hostile bigotry based on belief in the inferiority of others and those without malice who just want to retain something comfortingly normal and, in the case of where they live, of great value to them.

That last is a basic need and impulse of all peoples. Conservatives just tend to have it more.

It's asking way too much to require all people to somehow evolve high above normal human emotions, or be called a bigot for having those emotions. Not just that, but that gives valuable cover for malicious bigots, who love to claim they are mainstream.

I suggest we evaluate based on actions. And right now everyone who voted for Trump took a very bad action and own every bad thing that results. But in working terms it's hugely important to realize why they did what they did, not indulge a mistaken notion that they all grabbed the chance to hurt others.

to them. IMO it's no mistake at all that they opted for a white man again to retake the WH from the AA interloper, and a white, uppity woman certainly would not do.

Downplaying their bigotry is a nice notion but I don't buy it at all.

This OP from ProfessorGAC says it all:

https://www.democraticunderground.com/100210102673

It could be expressed in a nicer way but that is the gist of it and they need to learn the lesson. Everybody who bought into this idiotic claim that Trump would be a "blue collar billionaire" didn't spend 10 minutes to check out his past and didn't care for his vile nature. I understand that they were in a desperate situation and saw him as their only hope but it's still kind of hard to feel sorry for them considering the pain and damage this Administration is and will be causing for many Americans.

just the package the repugs have encouraged for years.

It will be up to us to remedy it, and calling the rest of the public 'idiots' is NOT the way to do it.

it takes a lot of work to create people who are ill informed and foolish

republican voters are made, not born

1. A person who is considered foolish or stupid. 2. A person with profound intellectual disability having a mental age below three years and generally.

https://www.thefreedictionary.com/idiot

Repugs have engaged in a lot of work to create people who are ill informed and foolish, and have been doing so for many years.

nothing like consulting a dictionary

But witnessing the destruction wrought by the person idiots like her voted for, I couldn't bring myself to.

My compassion is for the victims of her vote:

The millions of children who will lose health insurance because Trump and the GOP let CHIP expire

The 800,000 + DREAMERS who will be ripped away from friends, school, work, the land the call home and sent back to countries they don't remember

The millions who will watch their insurance premiums skyrocket because the individual mandate has been repealed

Etc.

All because she allowed herself to be conned by a shyster and cast her vote for the Orange Shithole.

but we MUST understand from whence has come the ignorance that pervades this country; it's the only hope, imo, for correcting our more and more divided country.

And we arent going to change things by denying their bigotry

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I am hoping that, with understanding, we the people can overcome and reverse the damage they've done, to this country.

There are labels like "Nazi" or "Pedophile" that you don't want to be attached to, and others probably don't want to be attached to, and I don't think we'll find very many people who say it's OK being one or both of these things. But we've got right wingers that the Republican Party courts who think that "Liberal" should be treated the same as those two labels. This is what we're up against.

I'm done negotiating my very beliefs and division is far more preferable to unity with these sick psychos.

As I have correctly noted many times before, they do not want our empathy, our understanding or our outreach. They want our silence, our subjugation, and sometimes our literal deaths.

They are not persuaded by fact, logic or evidence, and they rationalize their own personal hardship to the benefit of Trump and the GOP.

They are idiots fully invested in their own idiocy, and they will fight tooth and nail to protect their idiocy.


They do not deserve our sympathy, and we don't need their votes.

They say they want us to listen to then and feel their angst but they have no intention of voting for any Democrat. What they want is for us to change our values to reflect their prejudices. No way, not happening here.

I don't feel sorry for Trump voters. They were all for Trump rounding up brown people thinking they could benefit from it somehow. They don't care anything or anyone unless it affects them directly.

If that were the basis for his vote, everyone in that situation - or at least most of them - would have voted for Trump. But black voters were in similar if not worse economic situations as these people, but didn’t vote for him, so that clearly wasn’t the basis for their vote - otherwise he’d have one in a landslide with a diverse base of support.

Black voters weren’t fooled by him, but these white people fell for it. Why is that? There must have been something that he was selling that appealed to white people but didn’t impress black folk.

Let’s think for a moment about what that could possibly be ...

Always happen that way. People are the most at risk for being taken advantage of when they desperately want something.

Been down that road not once but on three occasions. And each time,it does not sink in until that notice is put in your hand.

The hardest part is telling your fellow Union Members that the next day or next week at this time,or that the Company just filled Bankruptcy and there won't be a payday tomorrow,or check you direct deposit ASAP to make sure you payroll made it to your account.

And you will be accused of being a Company Stooge by some,that is just human nature to lash out at someone when you do not have any control.

The Lady last night did her best not to go Postal. Hope she can continue her positive attirude,but hearing what is the true Job availablity in her area,does not sound good at best. She admitted voting for Trump and believing his lies. Just another Janesville Wisconsin and the aftermath of GM and Delco pull out.

What a dutz!

when you hitch your wagon to a false idea,well,sh*t happens. What is a reality check is,come back and talk to these people after 26 weeks,holy crap,what a change of mind.

absolute monarch--and a lot of Americans think the president can just make things happen at will. That's one big reason why so many people, including Dems, were always mad at Obama. They didn't understand how the Republicans could (and did) block his attempts to fulfill campaign promises and to improve life for Americans.

Republicans especially, and especially now. For eight years they were told by Fox News and Limbaugh et al. that Obama, and only Obama, was directly at fault for every little bad thing that happened to them. Did you lose your job? Blame Obama. Were you the victim of a crime? Blame Obama. Did the price of [anything] go up? Blame Obama. Did you stub your toe? Blame Obama. And so on, day after day after day.

The media allowed Trump to lie constantly throughout the campaign and they rarely corrected his lies. Meanwhile they ran headline after headline about Hillary's emails.

People are ignorant in this country because they watch the news and its full of lies.

It's shocking that this woman suffered through 8 years of Governor Pence and yet she still voted for these assholes.

That is perfect because it will hit them. Sadly it will hit us too.

That is what people think.... I’m in the hvac biz, and people think they moved to Mexico

It amazes me that working class people thought electing a corrupt businessman would be in their best interest.
Workers on the mid-lower rungs will always be exploited while the higher ups profit.

“It sounded really good”

Pretty much sums up the horror of 2016

And I bet there are some bitter stories that they would like to tell. Any filmmakers out there want to interview some of them for political commercials to be used in the midterms?

Don't know if she ever voted before 2016.

But competent politicians know better than to make such promises.

Alas....this is what we are stuck with.

Bring in a few Democratic candidates for 2018, maybe a heavy hitter or two, and stage a rally in Indianopolis, or Fort Wayne, or Manchester. Remind Hoosier voters of all those grandiose promises Trump made and that they believed. Point out that Trump even selected their former governor to be vice president, just to put the clincher on the con.

Then start talking about Democratic policies, like that health care plan they have that actually covers illnesses and check ups, and doesn't deny coverage for pre-existing conditions.

While we certainly have important seats to hold in Indiana, none of the Con's voters will be returning to the ballot box anytime soon.

But why not remind them of the positive effects of Democratic governance?

Start some ripples and build up the wave! The blue wave!

progress will be made only when those who voted for Trump talk of being sorry they did so, and why.

I am also saddened here to see that many "Don't Care" or "Have no sympathy" etc. Those thoughts, I believe, describe many on the other side. We should be better than that. IMO

This is a case of she voted in a beast that has happily allowed millions of children to lose their health insurance, who wants to strip away the meager amount of food assistance people get, who has presided over the biggest upward wealth redistribution in our nation's history.

The beast that wants to rip nearly a million people away from the lives and land they called home and deport them back to countries they don't remember.

She had ZERO sympathy for those who had everything to lose when she filled in that oval next to Dotard Shithole's name so she shouldn't expect any to flow back her way.

She not only screwed herself she helped screw everyone else. I get what you're saying but it's hard to feel sorry for someone who wasn't willing to take 15 minutes to vet Twitler. She believed the lies because they were what she wanted to hear not because there was any factual data to support them. Now the truth is coming out and she still hasn't said she's sorry she voted for him, she's just sorry she didn't get what she wanted.

Voting takes more effort than believing what you want to hear.

Not feeling sorry for her.

I think it would take a pretty self-sacrificial person for someone in her position to have voted otherwise. It's not as though she knew she was being lied to... or if she did wonder, it would still be hard to vote against even a 50-50 chance of keeping her job.

I blame Trump, not her, for the lie he told.

This is not like he was hiding skeletons in his closet with a squeaky clean persona. His toxic personality was out there for all to see.

He was proud of it for Pete's sake.

On Edit: Don't accept promises from people unless you know they have the means to follow through.

but they were still willing to vote for him and all the hate he spewed against others was just fine with them.

He had the exact numbers of those who were in departments/division to be shut down and those were NOT affected by Carrier's commitment to retain some jobs.

The information was out there, he was immediately on news shows and in written newspaper reports, but apparently they chose to either ignore what the Union head said or they chose to not believe it.

Either way, ignorance of the real state of things has hurt them badly, not to mention millions of others.

She was in a Union and instead she trusted the lying racist orange asshole more than she did her own Union's leadership. I feel for the people there that lost their jobs and had enough sense not to vote for Trump.

Too bad she chose to disbelieve those who were looking out for her and to believe those who are not.

if you weren't so god damn stupid, racist and wiling to be entertained by some asshole who has no experience or clue about runningountry, you deserve what you get!!! No sympathy here. Next time you vote, do some fucking research before you cast the lever in the voting booth with that knee jerk reaction your so used to living by!!!

Naïve, uncurious people who really don't mean anyone any harm, but were never taught--by their schools, their churches or by reality-- to think critically, who watch Fox Noise every free second they have. They have no idea how the Federal Government works. Therefore, when Trump implies that as president, he will wave a magic wand and save their jobs, they vote for him because he's the only one who dares to tell such lies with a straight face. They distrusted Hillary because she wouldn't tell them the same thing. "Tell me lies, tell me sweet little lies."

They actually believe what they hear on Fox and National Hate Radio because the simple message put out by both requires the least effort and critical analysis. They have enough to worry about just getting the bills paid without taking the time and effort to digest and analyze the news of the day, much less the news of the world. These are the people who are willing to believe Hillary did something really bad at Benghazi, even though they don't understand what. For that matter, they haven't the faintest idea what or where Benghazi is.

Plenty of people saw through the Con, and she should take responsibility for her vote. BTW, the bonuses and pay raises started during the Obama Presidency. It was not the tax cut. They told us the tax cut would help keep jobs here, but that was another lie.

And they aren't going to just switch parties. They think that if they get a different Repug in there, then they can still get things fixed.
Those blinders seem to be permanent fixtures..

Being stupid or being unemployed?

the saddest is she shows she has not changed at all. Perhaps she now is mad at Trump, I will give her that, but she is still as selfish as ever. She voted for Trump because he promised to keep her world stable. I do not now see where the curtain is being drawn back and she has discovered every bad thing he is doing to everyone. No, she is sad that her world is crumbling and does not even stop to consider the damage this megalomaniac, she voted into office, is creating for everyone else. It truly has not dawned on her that we are supposed to be one nation, indivisible. No one else's suffering matters but her own. Kind of like Trumpie when he is criticized, no one else matters but him. The only thing she realized is that Trump lied to her and now she is in trouble. She has no empathy and without empathy, you vote the way these folks do. Empathy is not taught to people. You grow, mature, and learn. It is something inside of you. She will never see what she has done and therefore she will never change.

I never made the connection, never saw the president as being to blame for it.

But, he got my vote for many reasons, not because I thought he would protect one bozo's job.

Presidents don't protect jobs. Unions can. Join. Organize.