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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsCan anyone here tell me which country invaded and occupied Haiti
for 17 years in the last century? Who did they put in place?
MineralMan
(146,324 posts)Americans forget stuff. We've invaded Haiti twice.
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underpants
(182,863 posts)One of those concerns the Siege of Savannah in 1779, which pitted American Revolutionary forces against British imperialists in the Southern state of Georgia. More than 500 free men of color participated, recruited in colonial Saint-Domingue by a French admiral under the banner of Chasseurs Volontaires dAmérique. It was a gross irony, of course, because the independent United States would not be a good place for black men.
The statue erected in Franklin Square, in Savannah, depicts five black soldiers and a little drummer boy who would grow up to become Haitis first ruler, Henri Christophe.
http://www.ozy.com/flashback/how-haitians-helped-win-the-american-revolution/61439
malaise
(269,149 posts)was the first one on the planet to ban slavery.
dhill926
(16,351 posts)underpants
(182,863 posts)I didn't know there was a statue until I started searching for this today
dhill926
(16,351 posts)and certainly don't recall seeing this statue. So much interesting history there...
malaise
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bigtree
(86,005 posts)Jonathan M. Katz @KatzOnEarth
In order to do a victory lap around the GDP difference between, say, Norway and Haiti, you have to know nothing about the history of the world.
That includes, especially, knowing nothing real about the history of the United States.
Jonathan M. Katz @KatzOnEarth
You have to first of all understand nothing about the Trans-Atlantic Slave trade.
You have to not understand anything about the systematic theft of African bodies and lives. And you have to not understand how that theft built the wealth we have today in Europe and the US.
Jonathan M. Katz @KatzOnEarth
Youd have to not know that the French colony that became Haiti provided the wealth that fueled the French Empire and 2/3 of the sugar and 3/4 of the coffee that Europe consumed.
Youd have to not know how rich slave traders got off their system of kidnapping, rape, and murder
Jonathan M. Katz @KatzOnEarth
Youd have to not realize that Haiti was founded in a revolution against that system, and that European countries and the United States punished them for their temerity by refusing to recognize or trade with them for decades.
Jonathan M. Katz @KatzOnEarth
Youd have to not know that Haiti got recognition by agreeing to pay 150 million gold francs to French landowners in compensation for their own freedom.
Youd have to not know that Haiti paid it, and that it took them almost all of the 19th century to do so.
Jonathan M. Katz @KatzOnEarth
Youd then have to not know that Haiti was forced to borrow some money to pay back that ridiculous debt, some of it from banks in the United States.
And youd have to not know that in 1914 those banks got President Wilson to send the US Marines to empty the Haitian gold reserve
Jonathan M. Katz @KatzOnEarth
@RichLowry would have to not know about the chaos that ensued, and the 19-year US military occupation of Haiti that followed (at a time when the US was invading and occupying much of Central America and the Caribbean).
Jonathan M. Katz @KatzOnEarth
He and others have to not know about the rest of the 20th century eitherthe systematic theft and oppression, US support for dictators and coups, the US invasions of Haiti in 1994-95 and 2004 ...
read more/thread:
Link to tweet
_____plus Duvalier laundering the money he stole through Trump Towers.
malaise
(269,149 posts)and they are never exposed unless or until they turn against the oppressors.
eppur_se_muova
(36,280 posts)Sophia4
(3,515 posts)revolution that made it possible for Western countries to conquer and dominate so much of the world. It wasn't just meanness. It was also intellectual curiosity that made the West so dominant.
I am very opposed to racism, but I also think that the Enlightenment and the gradual awareness of the scientific method and reaching out to the world which happened to some extent all over the world but especially in European countries should not be ignored.
If the Enlightenment and the age of scientific discovery and all that went with it had happened in Africa, the tables would be turned.
The strange thing is that the inspiration and basic principles that the Greeks, the Egyptians and others had discovered many, many centuries before the Enlightenment made the explosion of information and the systematic study that was the Enlightenment possible. But for some reason, the Enlightenment and the Age of Discovery were rather unique in the history of the world.
I hope my post does not offend anyone, but I believe we should not forget this.
struggle4progress
(118,320 posts)malaise
(269,149 posts)and now American folks laugh at the banana republics - all made by the USA.
onecaliberal
(32,882 posts)Bradshaw3
(7,526 posts)of countries the U.S. invaded, or overthrew via coups:
Nicaragua, Dominican Republic, the Congo and Iran to name a few. That doesn't include supporting dictators in many others.
malaise
(269,149 posts)Not only supporting dictators but interfering in elections.