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Can anyone here tell me which country invaded and occupied Haiti (Original Post) malaise Jan 2018 OP
Just to help people, here's this: MineralMan Jan 2018 #1
This message was self-deleted by its author kentuck Jan 2018 #2
There's this too underpants Jan 2018 #3
There's also the fact that the Haitian post-revolution Constitution malaise Jan 2018 #4
interesting story.....had no idea..... dhill926 Jan 2018 #6
I didn't either until a few days ago underpants Jan 2018 #8
spent a week in Savannah last year.... dhill926 Jan 2018 #11
DO you think the Con knows anything about this? malaise Jan 2018 #9
This message was self-deleted by its author Are_grits_groceries Jan 2018 #5
even more than that bigtree Jan 2018 #7
All the thieves i developing countries launder their money in developed countries malaise Jan 2018 #10
Maybe France and the US should consider returning that money, hmmm ? eppur_se_muova Jan 2018 #16
You woulld also have to forget about the Enlightenment and the scientific Sophia4 Jan 2018 #17
Ask Smedly Butler struggle4progress Jan 2018 #12
Very important piece malaise Jan 2018 #13
The United States. onecaliberal Jan 2018 #14
You can add many other supposed shitholes to the list Bradshaw3 Jan 2018 #15
Iraq too malaise Jan 2018 #18

Response to malaise (Original post)

underpants

(182,863 posts)
3. There's this too
Sun Jan 14, 2018, 02:32 PM
Jan 2018

One of those concerns the Siege of Savannah in 1779, which pitted American Revolutionary forces against British imperialists in the Southern state of Georgia. More than 500 free men of color participated, recruited in colonial Saint-Domingue by a French admiral under the banner of Chasseurs Volontaires d’Amérique. It was a gross irony, of course, because the independent United States would not be a good place for black men.

The statue erected in Franklin Square, in Savannah, depicts five black soldiers and a little drummer boy who would grow up to become Haiti’s first ruler, Henri Christophe.



http://www.ozy.com/flashback/how-haitians-helped-win-the-american-revolution/61439

malaise

(269,149 posts)
4. There's also the fact that the Haitian post-revolution Constitution
Sun Jan 14, 2018, 02:33 PM
Jan 2018

was the first one on the planet to ban slavery.

underpants

(182,863 posts)
8. I didn't either until a few days ago
Sun Jan 14, 2018, 02:48 PM
Jan 2018

I didn't know there was a statue until I started searching for this today

dhill926

(16,351 posts)
11. spent a week in Savannah last year....
Sun Jan 14, 2018, 02:52 PM
Jan 2018

and certainly don't recall seeing this statue. So much interesting history there...

Response to malaise (Original post)

bigtree

(86,005 posts)
7. even more than that
Sun Jan 14, 2018, 02:45 PM
Jan 2018
https://www.democraticunderground.com/100210090269


Jonathan M. Katz @KatzOnEarth
In order to do a victory lap around the GDP difference between, say, Norway and Haiti, you have to know nothing about the history of the world.

That includes, especially, knowing nothing real about the history of the United States.


Jonathan M. Katz @KatzOnEarth
You have to first of all understand nothing about the Trans-Atlantic Slave trade.

You have to not understand anything about the systematic theft of African bodies and lives. And you have to not understand how that theft built the wealth we have today in Europe and the US.


Jonathan M. Katz @KatzOnEarth
You’d have to not know that the French colony that became Haiti provided the wealth that fueled the French Empire — and 2/3 of the sugar and 3/4 of the coffee that Europe consumed.

You’d have to not know how rich slave traders got off their system of kidnapping, rape, and murder


Jonathan M. Katz @KatzOnEarth
You’d have to not realize that Haiti was founded in a revolution against that system, and that European countries and the United States punished them for their temerity by refusing to recognize or trade with them for decades.

Jonathan M. Katz @KatzOnEarth
You’d have to not know that Haiti got recognition by agreeing to pay 150 million gold francs to French landowners in compensation for their own freedom.

You’d have to not know that Haiti paid it, and that it took them almost all of the 19th century to do so.


Jonathan M. Katz @KatzOnEarth
You’d then have to not know that Haiti was forced to borrow some money to pay back that ridiculous debt, some of it from banks in the United States.

And you’d have to not know that in 1914 those banks got President Wilson to send the US Marines to empty the Haitian gold reserve


Jonathan M. Katz @KatzOnEarth
@RichLowry would have to not know about the chaos that ensued, and the 19-year US military occupation of Haiti that followed (at a time when the US was invading and occupying much of Central America and the Caribbean).

Jonathan M. Katz @KatzOnEarth
He and others have to not know about the rest of the 20th century either—the systematic theft and oppression, US support for dictators and coups, the US invasions of Haiti in 1994-95 and 2004 ...


read more/thread:


_____plus Duvalier laundering the money he stole through Trump Towers.

malaise

(269,149 posts)
10. All the thieves i developing countries launder their money in developed countries
Sun Jan 14, 2018, 02:51 PM
Jan 2018

and they are never exposed unless or until they turn against the oppressors.

 

Sophia4

(3,515 posts)
17. You woulld also have to forget about the Enlightenment and the scientific
Sun Jan 14, 2018, 05:24 PM
Jan 2018

revolution that made it possible for Western countries to conquer and dominate so much of the world. It wasn't just meanness. It was also intellectual curiosity that made the West so dominant.

I am very opposed to racism, but I also think that the Enlightenment and the gradual awareness of the scientific method and reaching out to the world which happened to some extent all over the world but especially in European countries should not be ignored.

If the Enlightenment and the age of scientific discovery and all that went with it had happened in Africa, the tables would be turned.

The strange thing is that the inspiration and basic principles that the Greeks, the Egyptians and others had discovered many, many centuries before the Enlightenment made the explosion of information and the systematic study that was the Enlightenment possible. But for some reason, the Enlightenment and the Age of Discovery were rather unique in the history of the world.

I hope my post does not offend anyone, but I believe we should not forget this.

Bradshaw3

(7,526 posts)
15. You can add many other supposed shitholes to the list
Sun Jan 14, 2018, 04:30 PM
Jan 2018

of countries the U.S. invaded, or overthrew via coups:
Nicaragua, Dominican Republic, the Congo and Iran to name a few. That doesn't include supporting dictators in many others.

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