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riversedge

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Sun Jan 14, 2018, 09:06 PM Jan 2018

Historian finds German decree banishing Trump's grandfather

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Historian finds German decree banishing Trump's grandfather




Royal decree ordered Friedrich Trump to leave Bavaria and never come back after he failed to do military service
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Friedrich Trump emigrated to the US from Germany in 1885. Photograph: Wikipedia

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A historian has discovered a royal decree issued to Donald Trump’s grandfather ordering him to leave Germany and never come back.

Friedrich Trump, a German, was issued with the document in February 1905, and ordered to leave the kingdom of Bavaria within eight weeks as punishment for having failed to do mandatory military service and failing to give authorities notice of his departure to the US when he first emigrated in 1885.


Kallstadt, Germany: on the trail of 'the Donald' in the Trump ancestral home


Roland Paul, a historian from Rhineland-Palatinate who found the document in local archives, told the tabloid Bild: “Friedrich Trump emigrated from Germany to the USA in 1885. However, he failed to de-register from his homeland and had not carried out his military service, which is why the authorities rejected his attempt at repatriation.”

The decree orders the “American citizen and pensioner Friedrich Trump” to leave the area “at the very latest on 1 May ... or else expect to be deported”. Bild called the archive find an “unspectacular piece of paper”, that had nevertheless “changed world history”.

Trump was born in Kallstadt, now in the state of Rhineland-Palatinate, in 1869. He emigrated to the US aged 16 initially to escape poverty, attracted by the gold rush....................




..................Residents of Kallstadt, a small wine-growing town of about 1,200 people in south-west Germany, joke that the blame for Trump becoming US president-elect lies with the German authorities who threw his grandfather out. They have so far shown little enthusiasm for claiming the businessman turned politician as their own..............



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Historian finds German decree banishing Trump's grandfather (Original Post) riversedge Jan 2018 OP
There were lots of discussions on this here on DU malaise Jan 2018 #1
Yip, that's why we called him DRUMPF back then. UTUSN Jan 2018 #7
He seems to be more tolerant of white immigrants. tclambert Jan 2018 #15
He's a racist malaise Jan 2018 #22
I recall this, too eleny Jan 2018 #11
That's who Don , Jr., looks like. I've wondered, since I see no resemblance to tblue37 Jan 2018 #2
Deport his orange ass back! Stardust1 Jan 2018 #3
What a surprise, avoiding military service. MiniMe Jan 2018 #4
He came to the US in 1885 and they tell him he has to leave doc03 Jan 2018 #5
He went back home to find a German wife. Old Terp Jan 2018 #8
Oh ok thanks for clearing it up nt doc03 Jan 2018 #9
He was running from that shithole Kallstadt ProudLib72 Jan 2018 #6
We should've been so wise....... lastlib Jan 2018 #10
The statue of Liberty does have a plaque talking about "Wretched Refuse..." stevenleser Jan 2018 #12
This is one heck of a test for such words nolabels Jan 2018 #16
I googled him about 8 months ago BigmanPigman Jan 2018 #13
Small problem Sam McGee Jan 2018 #14
"Boarding houses?" FuzzyRabbit Jan 2018 #19
Trump Family Traditions EricMaundry Jan 2018 #17
"...he failed to do military service..." LudwigPastorius Jan 2018 #18
Draft Dodger commands armies Angry Dragon Jan 2018 #20
That chin. blogslut Jan 2018 #21

UTUSN

(70,700 posts)
7. Yip, that's why we called him DRUMPF back then.
Sun Jan 14, 2018, 10:09 PM
Jan 2018

What's been a puzzle all these years is what's his beef with immigrants, viz:

1) Grandfather, mother, 2 of 3 wives all immigrants

2) Hires/exploits immigrants without paying






tclambert

(11,087 posts)
15. He seems to be more tolerant of white immigrants.
Sun Jan 14, 2018, 11:28 PM
Jan 2018

I wonder if little Donnie got his wrist slapped by a brown-skinned housekeeper when he behaved badly as a child.

MiniMe

(21,716 posts)
4. What a surprise, avoiding military service.
Sun Jan 14, 2018, 09:41 PM
Jan 2018

Must run in the family. Shouldn't his name have been spelled Drump at that time? Thought he didn't change it until he got to this country

doc03

(35,340 posts)
5. He came to the US in 1885 and they tell him he has to leave
Sun Jan 14, 2018, 10:04 PM
Jan 2018

Germany in 1905. He had already left 20 years earlier. Doesn't make much sense to me.

Old Terp

(464 posts)
8. He went back home to find a German wife.
Sun Jan 14, 2018, 10:16 PM
Jan 2018

She wanted to stay in Germany. The question is why we let him back in the US. His earlier US activities were not exactly honorable--lots of bawdy houses. I doubt he told the truth about being kicked out when he had to come back to US. Had he done so, we might not have let him in.

ProudLib72

(17,984 posts)
6. He was running from that shithole Kallstadt
Sun Jan 14, 2018, 10:06 PM
Jan 2018

And when I say "running" I mean "hobbling along because of bone spurs".

nolabels

(13,133 posts)
16. This is one heck of a test for such words
Sun Jan 14, 2018, 11:34 PM
Jan 2018

I would like to think we will survive and be stronger for it (or at least a little smarter)

 

Sam McGee

(347 posts)
14. Small problem
Sun Jan 14, 2018, 11:27 PM
Jan 2018

I thought Trump's name originally was Drumpf and his father changed it to Trump during WW II. Or is that an urban legend?

Here's the Snopes article -- not exactly clear.

https://www.snopes.com/donald-drumpf/

This is from Wikipedia:

Frederick Trump (born Friedrich Trump; March 14, 1869 – May 30, 1918) was a German-American businessman. Born in Kallstadt, in the Kingdom of Bavaria (now in Rhineland-Palatinate, Germany), he immigrated to the United States at the age of 16 and started working as a barber. Several years later in 1891, he moved to the Northwest. He made his fortune operating boom-town restaurants and boarding houses in Seattle and a mining town to the north, and in the Klondike Gold Rush.[1][2] He later returned to Germany and married. When authorities found that he had emigrated when young to avoid fulfilling his military service, he lost his Bavarian citizenship; he and his family returned to the United States.

He worked as a barber and hotel manager, and began to acquire real estate in Queens. He was the father of Fred and John G. Trump, and grandfather of Donald Trump, the 45th President of the United States.


FuzzyRabbit

(1,967 posts)
19. "Boarding houses?"
Mon Jan 15, 2018, 12:23 AM
Jan 2018
He made his fortune operating boom-town restaurants and boarding houses in Seattle and a mining town to the north,


Brothels, bordellos, cathouses, houses of prostitution, houses of ill repute, and knocking-shops (for you Britishers).

He is remembered fondly here in Seattle and north of here in the old mining town of Monte Cristo.

Trump's father probably learned contempt of women from his father Frederick, and then passed on those same attitudes to Donald.
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