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LeftInTX

(25,343 posts)
Mon Jan 15, 2018, 01:21 AM Jan 2018

How do I select who to vote for local Dem Party Chair?

"I am at an impasse.

Our current county chair is being challenged.

Current Chair
Cons:
He is wading into the primaries and semi-endorsing candidates. (He has his favorites and is fairly public about it)
He ran for mayor while he was party chair
He is an opportunist.
People spread rumors about him such as, "He has his favorite precinct chairs etc" or they say "such and such Precinct chair is one of his loyalist" etc.

Pros:
He runs the meetings well and knows the party by-laws
I've heard that prior to his tenure meetings became free-for-alls
He seems to control various factions at the meetings by not allowing certain people to monopolize a meeting.
Before he was on the scene, there was a huge embezzlement of $200,000.
During his tenure, the books are clean
The Budget and Finance Committee are front and center at each meeting.
He has time to devote to the job

Challenger:
Pros:
She wants to avoid wading into the primaries and any cronyism
Cons:
She has only attended one CEC Meeting
She is not a precinct chair
She became interested in politics in the past few months.
She has no history of activism
Does she have the experience?
Will she have the time to devote to the job?


Neutral:
She is a woman and people are pushing, "The time is now".
I am afraid that because of lack of experience, she may not run the meetings as well and they may devolve in "free for alls" once again.
I don't know if she will be able to devote the same amount of time to the job as the current chair.

Our current chair is far from perfect.
So many people are supporting his challenger because she is "not him".
Our local Invisible groups are supporting his opponent, but are the supporting him based on her qualifications or are the voting on her because she is "not him".

If he is so bad, why hasn't a more experienced candidate stepped up earlier?


I'm lost.

Thanks for reading my rant.

Any advice?

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How do I select who to vote for local Dem Party Chair? (Original Post) LeftInTX Jan 2018 OP
Without knowing anything beyond the pros & cons you listed, the Current Chair sounds like a better diva77 Jan 2018 #1
Thanks! LeftInTX Jan 2018 #3
maybe you can get a block of voters to promise to vote for him if he drops the cronyism -- hold him diva77 Jan 2018 #6
I'm not sure LeftInTX Jan 2018 #12
I must be getting old but I've started selecting people largely on the basis of experience struggle4progress Jan 2018 #2
Thanks! LeftInTX Jan 2018 #4
Think past the primaries RandySF Jan 2018 #5
He has had success gets Dems elected locally. LeftInTX Jan 2018 #9
hmmm... well based on your post, I would guess that you want to vote for the current chair OhioBlue Jan 2018 #7
Thank you! LeftInTX Jan 2018 #10
We have a contest for county party chair in my county Gothmog Jan 2018 #8
Yes, this the one primary that I'm torn over! LeftInTX Jan 2018 #11
We have five people running for a R+19 Congressional seat Gothmog Jan 2018 #18
I'm for Andrew White LeftInTX Jan 2018 #21
I vote current chair. I concur with organization and experience. LuvLoogie Jan 2018 #13
Thank you! LeftInTX Jan 2018 #14
Current chair. The people who oppose him should have come up with a more credible candidate. SharonClark Jan 2018 #15
I'd need more background crazycatlady Jan 2018 #16
These are excellent questions - Thank you for your response LeftInTX Jan 2018 #17
Why don't you have her attend meetings for a year or two? NCTraveler Jan 2018 #19
There is an "anyone but the current chair" push..... LeftInTX Jan 2018 #20
So everybody is saying "anyone but the current chair" NCTraveler Jan 2018 #22
I know LeftInTX Jan 2018 #23
Seems you don't have much of a issue. NCTraveler Jan 2018 #24
No organizing background LeftInTX Jan 2018 #25
Im sorry. NCTraveler Jan 2018 #28
Found out she's pretty much a non-voter LeftInTX Jan 2018 #36
I want women to win, but only if they are qualified, doesn't sound like she is Motley13 Jan 2018 #26
Lots of new faces at the table these days. LOTS of new energy. davsand Jan 2018 #27
If I lived in a smaller county, the lack of experience would not be an issue LeftInTX Jan 2018 #31
It sounds like you've already made up your mind about how you will vote. davsand Jan 2018 #34
I just found out she is basically a non-voter LeftInTX Jan 2018 #35
You might want to remind your chair that wading into primaries is a big no FloridaBlues Jan 2018 #29
I agree. It is a big NO LeftInTX Jan 2018 #30
Ask their opinion of Oprah for President left-of-center2012 Jan 2018 #32
LOL!!!!!!!! LeftInTX Jan 2018 #33

diva77

(7,643 posts)
1. Without knowing anything beyond the pros & cons you listed, the Current Chair sounds like a better
Mon Jan 15, 2018, 01:27 AM
Jan 2018

pick for now; but in the future, the Challenger may become a good prospect after she gains more experience and knowledge...that's my 2 cents!

diva77

(7,643 posts)
6. maybe you can get a block of voters to promise to vote for him if he drops the cronyism -- hold him
Mon Jan 15, 2018, 01:34 AM
Jan 2018

accountable -- does he favor quality people or is what he is doing ethically intolerable?

LeftInTX

(25,343 posts)
12. I'm not sure
Mon Jan 15, 2018, 01:54 AM
Jan 2018

It is stuff I read in the paper or heard through the grapevine. One candidate says the chair encouraged him to primary against an Democrat in office. The chair turned around and said he never did that.


The Democratic Party has strict rules about endorsing candidates in the primary.

It is stuff I read in the paper or heard through the grapevine.

RandySF

(58,855 posts)
5. Think past the primaries
Mon Jan 15, 2018, 01:32 AM
Jan 2018

Where in TX do you live? What’s at stake. Texas Dems stand to make gains on the County, state legislative and Congressional levels. Whom do you want running GOTV then?

LeftInTX

(25,343 posts)
9. He has had success gets Dems elected locally.
Mon Jan 15, 2018, 01:44 AM
Jan 2018

GOTV is done primarily through local candidates and other groups.
He is pretty good at having rallies and introducing all of candidates.
He's fairly charismatic and I think that motivates some people.


A state legislator complained that our chair didn't support him when they were battling Republicans in Austin because he was busy running for mayor. The county chair complained that above state rep was not a sustaining member of the local party. (He wasn't paying $10/month for sustaining membership)


He is working on the getting voting machines that also have paper ballots.

I would rather not say where I live.
Where I live it somewhat blue.

It's a difficult decision

OhioBlue

(5,126 posts)
7. hmmm... well based on your post, I would guess that you want to vote for the current chair
Mon Jan 15, 2018, 01:39 AM
Jan 2018

but you are hearing a lot of people that think a new person is needed.

Personally, based on your pros and cons and knowing nothing else, I couldn't vote for the challenger who only became interested in politics recently, hasn't been an activist and only attended one meeting. It sounds like your current chair runs the organization well. I wouldn't jeopardize that with an unknown who hasn't proven themselves by knocking doors, attending meetings, etc. so that people can get to know them, their values and work ethic.

Gothmog

(145,273 posts)
18. We have five people running for a R+19 Congressional seat
Mon Jan 15, 2018, 04:54 PM
Jan 2018

The Congressional seat is not competitive unless this is a major wave election.

There are ten people on the ballot for Governor. I am torn between Lupe and Andrew White.

I did just donate to the challenger in the race for county chair.

LeftInTX

(25,343 posts)
21. I'm for Andrew White
Mon Jan 15, 2018, 05:27 PM
Jan 2018

I watched the Tom Green County Democratic Party's forum on FB Live. White was very energetic and sounded like a leader.

crazycatlady

(4,492 posts)
16. I'd need more background
Mon Jan 15, 2018, 08:45 AM
Jan 2018

Like does your party have a history of getting involved in primaries (in mine, under the candidate's name on the ballot "X county Democrats/GOP" appears and the candidates fight for the coveted 'county line')
What is your current party chair's track record with winning elections?
What is your current party chair's track record on contesting elections (ie not allowing the GOP to run unopposed) and recruiting candidates?
How does your current party chair feel about the grassroots ground game of Democratic campaigns? Does he support them or does he just give the staff well wishes or refuse to sit down with them? Does he actively recruit volunteers for Democratic campaigns?


Regarding the last question. I'm one of those staffers. Some county chairs have been absolutely wonderful and were actually willing to work. Others provided us another field office or space to work out of (lawyer county chair let us use his law firm after hours). Lawyer county chair mentioned above would also provide us with 5-6 phonebankers when we came out there. Other county chairs won't even sit down for coffee with a campaign staffer. This is my be all end all.

LeftInTX

(25,343 posts)
17. These are excellent questions - Thank you for your response
Mon Jan 15, 2018, 01:36 PM
Jan 2018

I just recently became involved with the party. I got involved with Indivisible and from there started attending local party events.

I know a few of these answers, but some of these are new questions. I will try to find out as much as I can. Thank you!

 

NCTraveler

(30,481 posts)
19. Why don't you have her attend meetings for a year or two?
Mon Jan 15, 2018, 05:06 PM
Jan 2018

I just don't get this stuff.

"She became interested in politics in the past few months. "

LeftInTX

(25,343 posts)
20. There is an "anyone but the current chair" push.....
Mon Jan 15, 2018, 05:22 PM
Jan 2018

I wish someone with more experience would have stepped forward, but that isn't the case.
If he is so awful, why didn't someone with more experience step forward sooner?
We have lots of qualified people.

Election is in March - on the primary ballot along with our gubernatorial candidates etc.

 

NCTraveler

(30,481 posts)
22. So everybody is saying "anyone but the current chair"
Mon Jan 15, 2018, 05:32 PM
Jan 2018

Yet the only person to step up just got interested. Not a good position to be in. "Anybody but" is often a pad place to be.

 

NCTraveler

(30,481 posts)
24. Seems you don't have much of a issue.
Mon Jan 15, 2018, 05:38 PM
Jan 2018

Your local party is about to be headed up by someone who just got interested in politics. I'm going to venture that she has a solid business or organizing background.

davsand

(13,421 posts)
27. Lots of new faces at the table these days. LOTS of new energy.
Mon Jan 15, 2018, 06:03 PM
Jan 2018

I don't fault people for being newly arrived on the scene. There are a bunch of people who are--and always have been--Democrats that are stepping up in the wake of the last couple three years. I find that really exciting, personally. New energy, new foot soldiers, and new ideas. That's a tremendous shot in the arm to the party. It's also terrifying to the old guard who is used to doing it this way because, "That's how we've always done it." Plus, to some people it represents a potential loss of power/control. Not gonna lie, IMO, the survival of the Dem party depends on our ability to embrace new ideas and new people. Freeze them out, and run the risk of going the way of the dinosaurs and the dodo bird.

That lack of experience can easily be overcome with an Executive Committee to provide advice, or a Vice Chair with experience, or a Central Committee that is involved and active. Candidate recruitment is a similar situation, and a new chair may be somebody that can help field some new faces in these local and county races--the farm team, in other words. Indivisible, Action For Better Tomorrow, BLM, Mom's Demand Action--any of the resistance organizations--they are allies and need to be offered a seat at the table.

I don't know the personalities at work, I don't know the local scene there. What I do know, however, is that I'd urge a concentrated effort to draw in and harness every one of the new faces we are seeing. FWIW, I've had this same conversation with our own local party chair.

Good luck!


Laura

LeftInTX

(25,343 posts)
31. If I lived in a smaller county, the lack of experience would not be an issue
Mon Jan 15, 2018, 07:24 PM
Jan 2018

We have 712 precincts and 341 precinct chairs. County population is 2 million.

Our party has been in trouble before, including embezzlement of $200,000 by the treasurer.
Don't want to go there again. Our Budget and Finance Committee is upfront and center at each meeting.

This chair has been around since 2013.

As someone who got involved with the party via Indivisible, I personally feel that I am accepted. There are about 30 new precinct chairs from Indivisible. The party has not put up challenges to them.

There is cronyism, but I don't feel excluded. I'm fairly easy-going and not much of a rabble-rouser.

davsand

(13,421 posts)
34. It sounds like you've already made up your mind about how you will vote.
Mon Jan 15, 2018, 09:39 PM
Jan 2018

Good luck to you all. I wish all the Dems "Good Hunting" in the upcoming elections!



Laura

FloridaBlues

(4,008 posts)
29. You might want to remind your chair that wading into primaries is a big no
Mon Jan 15, 2018, 06:18 PM
Jan 2018

Questions to ask yourself has the DEC grown and how active is your local party than go from there. Lack of experience on running a DEC with midterms coming up could be a setback for your area.
Good luck

LeftInTX

(25,343 posts)
30. I agree. It is a big NO
Mon Jan 15, 2018, 06:42 PM
Jan 2018

Our party has grown from 50 precinct chairs to 341 in the past several years. (Our county has 712 precincts)
We have an active county and a large county.

If it was a small county than lack of experience could be easily compensated.

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