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(297,240 posts)Wow!
longship
(40,416 posts)That's some statement. Indeedie!
Stallion
(6,474 posts)Upthevibe
(8,051 posts)NCDem777
(458 posts)Until he changes his behavior at the ballot box, I don't give a fuck what he says
Upthevibe
(8,051 posts)pnwmom
(108,978 posts)He was talking about defeating Republicans and he knows the only way to do that is to vote for Democrats.
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)Many of them will be on the ballot in 2018, and he called for decent Republicans, "independents," and Democrats to throw them out.
NCDem, rejecting alliance with well meaning people on the right is not a winning move. We're in trouble specifically because partisan hostility destroyed the ability of reasonable people to work together to find common, sensible solutions.
Stellar
(5,644 posts)He might just do it this once to clean house of all those congress critters in the GOP.. you never know
brush
(53,778 posts)pnwmom
(108,978 posts)radical noodle
(8,000 posts)He spoke out against Trump from the very beginning and he hasn't ever minced words.
chillfactor
(7,576 posts)Both Schmidt and Micahel Steele are really really sick of the orange one and this congress......they are both on cable news several times a day and are very vocal with their displeasure. And how does anyone know how either of them vote......unless you are a mind reader.
ailsagirl
(22,897 posts)Laffy Kat
(16,379 posts)hibbing
(10,098 posts)Your party has been appealing to racists for decades, you are smart enough and old enough to remember the circumstances of your Saint Reagan announcing his run for the presidency. I'm glad you are speaking out now, but it's not just the 30 something percent that supports the current resident of the White House.
Peace
Gabi Hayes
(28,795 posts)where it was. Most didnt, or claimed not to, know what I was talking about
Fun fact!
The Wizard
(12,545 posts)goes back to Goldwater in 64. Their underlying message was States rights, an allusion to slavery and Jim Crow laws being restored.
JonLP24
(29,322 posts)The Republican Party geared its appeal and program to racism, reaction, and extremism. All people of goodwill viewed with alarm and concern the frenzied wedding at the Cow Palace of the KKK with the radical right. The best man at this ceremony was a senator whose voting record, philosophy, and program were anathema to all the hard-won achievements of the past decade.
Senator Goldwater had neither the concern nor the comprehension necessary to grapple with this problem of poverty in the fashion that the historical moment dictated. On the urgent issue of civil rights, Senator Goldwater represented a philosophy that was morally indefensible and socially suicidal. While not himself a racist, Mr. Goldwater articulated a philosophy which gave aid and comfort to the racist. His candidacy and philosophy would serve as an umbrella under which extremists of all stripes would stand. In the light of these facts and because of my love for America, I had no alternative but to urge every Negro and white person of goodwill to vote against Mr. Goldwater and to withdraw support from any Republican candidate that did not publicly disassociate himself from Senator Goldwater and his philosophy.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/thinkprogress.org/no-martin-luther-king-jr-was-not-a-republican-but-heres-what-he-had-to-say-about-them-9c29475ef37/amp/
Lil Missy
(17,865 posts)Steve Schmidt is not responsible for everything thats happened with the party and then the past.
He seems reasonable to me, the fact that he is a Republican is not necessarily what makes someone unworthy of trust.
DoctorJoJo
(1,134 posts)... these are the same people that tried to foster the White Trash of Alaska upon us--remember Sarah and her quality family?
pnwmom
(108,978 posts)than to engage in looking backwards.
murielm99
(30,741 posts)Hekate
(90,690 posts)rurallib
(62,416 posts)and we need all the help we can get.
And this evil that sits in congress and the White House must not be just defeated, but repudiated beyond doubt.
But Republicans have gerrymandered and suppressed votes so much that it will take an all out effort to do that in November.
Mopar151
(9,983 posts)Gabi Hayes
(28,795 posts)The pugparty needs to go the way of the whigs; not renewal, but political dissolution
Let all the crooks, religious loons, racists, neo know-nothings, nazis, etal, split into irreconcilable factions, leaving a perpetual shithole without any national power, leaving, I hope, an opening for a party that moves the dems back to a party representing the people, instead of the corporate oligarchy to which they kneel, almost as prostrate as the KGOP
Gabi Hayes
(28,795 posts)Only because, for now there is nowhere else to turn
My index finger and thumb are getting arthritis from pinching them together every four years since 72
Plucketeer
(12,882 posts)IF I'm going to participate, there's only one way to vote. If I favored some fringe party, I'd just not vote. This does NOT mean I love each and every Dem I could vote for - it just means they're the only "choice(s)" I have. Not the best - not the best at all - just the least offensive of the candidates I can cast a vote for. Until we have a viable Common Sense Party, I'll just keep whacking foul balls.
MFM008
(19,814 posts)Can share my lunch.
SunSeeker
(51,559 posts)colorado_ufo
(5,734 posts)Hamlette
(15,412 posts)Kristofer Bry
(175 posts)Bravo, Steve!
Hekate
(90,690 posts)When Steve Schmidt and Nicolle Wallace sat there and analyzed Trump's apocalyptic evil speech, I realized these were people I would enjoy as friends, could talk to about ideas and argue the fine points of politics because we agree on the basic premise of America. He literally choked up as he talked about the Constitution and how Trumpism is a betrayal.
We need allies like this. Desperately. We cannot take this country back without such as they on our side.
Thanks, pnwmom.
pnwmom
(108,978 posts)I love to listen to that man, too. Whenever he appears on MSNBC, he's like a shot in the arm -- of righteousness.
xxqqqzme
(14,887 posts)country before party.
Gabi Hayes
(28,795 posts)Renounce them once and for all
Hekate
(90,690 posts)He's a conservative, not a mindless Trumpist/alt-right/populist/racist/MAGA-head.
Stinky The Clown
(67,799 posts)I could not agree more. Similar larger goals, differences on the way to get there. And a willingness to respectfully debate and disagree.
Tom Rinaldo
(22,913 posts)He continues to grow as a human being and so does my respect for him. He was wrong in the past. He no doubt will be wrong at times in the future as well. But he knows there is a cancer in this nation and he knows it must be destroyed before it destroys us all.
Vinca
(50,273 posts)I also hope other sane Republicans share his thoughts.
NewJeffCT
(56,828 posts)can somebody post what the tweets actually say?
Thanks
NewJeffCT
(56,828 posts)can post pictures of the tweets or their text?
roamer65
(36,745 posts)November 2018, at a theater near you.
Vote Anti-Repuke.
bucolic_frolic
(43,166 posts)About says it. Tension, disgust, anger, and loathing are palpable on Twitter. We're beyond simple fear now, this is moving past brewing distrust into raw emotional outbursts, everyone throwing shit at the wall and the kitchen sink too. An eruption is boiling.
It is only a matter of time.
jrandom421
(1,004 posts)and not it's destruction.
It's through honest, respectful, intellectually rigorous and vigorous debate that embraces compassion, facts and fairness, that we can come to a consensus on "forming a more perfect union."
He sees a renewed Republican party that can be a vehicle of that, and I respect him for it.
He's called on all of us as Americans to help.
"DEFEAT THEM ALL"
Hulk
(6,699 posts)His 32% mostly tune in to fox-bull shit, and NOTHING ELSE. No NPR, certainly no "mainstream fake news" networks. These people are lost souls, and crying over spilt milk is a waste of time. Move on. Just get the other 80% of American voters out there to the voting booths in 2018 and 2020 and drown these ugly cysts out of office!
pnwmom
(108,978 posts)who brought DT to within 2 points of Hillary.
calimary
(81,267 posts)Ive been arguing with a colleague who admits to voting for trump, but strictly because of Pence. Yeah, cute excuse, I know. This person criticized me for being SO Angry!!! As in - you are SO Angry, calimary! As though thats some forbidden and entirely unreasonable reaction that Im evidently not allowed to have.
Well, guess what? Yeah. Im angry, dammit. You bet yer ass Im ANGRY! WAY Angry! Deal with it, pal. Anybody who ISNT furiously angry about what this schmuck and his supporters and excuse-makers and trolls are doing to this country and its institutions (the same small-d-democratic institutions that have seen us through war, death, destitution, and despair in most of the past decades) is living in some Aggrieved White Fantasyland. Or Americas 51st State: the State of Denial!
Anybody who ISNT angry about whats happened and what this schmuck is doing to this country, our reputation, our moral leadership, AND to our standing in the world - is either asleep, in total denial, and/or actually likes and approves of whats happening.
pnwmom
(108,978 posts)not fooled
(5,801 posts)in talking with dump supporters, I've found that they are catastrophically ignorant of the consequences of what dump and his puppetmasters are doing.
For example, they think it's A-OK to gut Medicaid because they don't want the poor to benefit. They have no idea that's the program that would pay for grandma's nursing home. I ask them who in their family wants to be a full-time caregiver.
They think regulations kill jobs. I tell them there are more jobs in monitoring and cleaning up after corporate America than in just getting rid of all restrictions and letting the polluters dump their toxins into the environment. They literally have never thought about that before. Their minds are in a narrow, faux- and flush-constructed little box.
Those are just a couple of examples. They have been relentlessly propagandized into believing that government is bad and too big and that their tax dollars subsidize the poor etc. etc. etc. They don't understand how government works or how they benefit. They will really find out if the pukes succeed in destroying the very programs that help people.
DAMANgoldberg
(1,278 posts)but what Steve Schmidt is describing is essentially the Eisenhower Republican Party, the modern incarnation of which is the Obama (not Clinton) wing of the party. Frankly closer to the Warren wing than the Clinton/Manchin wing.
Of course, we need everyone to defeat Trump and the current GOP. Once that is done, we can go back to debating each other on how to move forward. Until then...
Aristus
(66,377 posts)it will be due largely to Republicans like Steve Schmidt.
LakeArenal
(28,817 posts)I think Steve is setting himself up for the rebirth of the Republican Party, which will eventually happen..
However, if he and Nicole Wallace think it can be built on the back of someone like Mitt Romney, then they are in for hard time.
Mitt may not be a racist, but he is no champion of the poor, women or minorities.
Hekate
(90,690 posts)... every single Republican out of office this year and next. He's calling for a purge.
LakeArenal
(28,817 posts)Steve nor Nicole said the same things during that last elections and they towed the Party line that they are still putting forth through dump. Maybe Dump is way crude and vulgar but the policies are the same.
Hekate
(90,690 posts)...on managing Palin during the McCain campaign? Did you see them discuss Trump's dark apocalyptic speech at the RNC, when he got the nom? They were in tears.
Do you ever watch either of them on MSNBC? Nicolle is on as I write this.
Conservatves as such are not our enemy. "Woke" conservatives are our allies, unless we refuse to let them be.
LakeArenal
(28,817 posts)She worked for Bush. Hes a Republican pundit . They support Republicans on taxes, immigration, tax cuts.
Its not some huge idealogical shift to find Dump to be vulgar and crude. Its human.
Enemy is your word. I call them Republicans. You can shine them up. But the will still be Republicans.
PS: I enjoy both Nicole and Stevie on MSNBC. They are still Republicans.
LiberalLovinLug
(14,173 posts)Him, David Frum and the like, is that while we bathe in the rapturous ecstasy of a post-Trump world, (it will happen won't it?), ANY anti-Trump "moderate" candidate, like Mitt, will come off as the most intelligent, sensible, decent choice for a lot of Americans. And these guys will back them up 100%.
Notice that Schmidt has little criticism of the tax scam bill. It's all about shooting down the low hanging fruit; the character of Trump. Which I'm sure by now a big majority agree with him.
They will turn against the Democratic candidate on a dime in 2020, if the Republicans have ANY new candidate. Especially if it's someone like Bernie coughsocialistcough Sanders. But even IF it's a moderate like Schiff, he will be painted as a tax n spend, weak on terror, and all the other false memes they love to trot out. They will go hard after the Independent vote. And for most Republicans they will come out in swarms to prove they AREN'T the deplorable shitholes people are saying they are.
Irish_Dem
(47,094 posts)further than I can throw him.
He will 100% back the next GOP guy to come along who will take us to war
and drain the US treasury.
pnwmom
(108,978 posts)And the first step is for them to join us in voting the GOP Congress out of power.
Yes, they'll be back to their "old ways" once Trump is gone. But we'll cross that bridge when we come to it. If we get a chance to. If we haven't lost our democracy before then.
Capperdan
(492 posts)Too bad it's 10 months of misery before the election.