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pnwmom

(108,978 posts)
Mon Jan 15, 2018, 01:52 AM Jan 2018

David Frum: There are a lot of stops on the train line to Bad before you get to Hitler Station.

Frum is the conservative editor of The Atlantic.

https://www.thestar.com/entertainment/books/2018/01/12/q-and-a-david-frum-on-americas-trumpocracy.html

WASHINGTON—David Frum used to work in the White House. Now he won’t even walk past it.

Frum felt “sick” when he spent time in the building near the end of Barack Obama’s presidency. He could see the bleachers for Donald Trump’s inauguration. There was a barbarian at the gates.

Some of Trump’s former conservative critics have softened since he took office. Not Frum. The Toronto native, a former speechwriter for George W. Bush known for his role in creating the phrase “axis of evil,” has built a fan base among anti-Trump liberals for his daily denunciations of a president he regards as corrupt, cruel and, above all, dangerous.

He is so determined to keep feeling the revulsion he experienced on that day pre-inauguration, he says, that he takes a detour if his walking route is taking him too close to Trump’s residence.

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Frum’s new book, Trumpocracy: The Corruption of the American Republic (out Tuesday from Harper), is a plea for Americans to remain as troubled as he is. He argues that Trump is doing deep damage to the country’s democracy. He excoriates the “appeasers” and “enablers” he says keep Trump afloat. And he calls for alarmed citizens to turn fear into action.

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David Frum: There are a lot of stops on the train line to Bad before you get to Hitler Station. (Original Post) pnwmom Jan 2018 OP
"Turn fear into action"...VOTE! BigmanPigman Jan 2018 #1
He's not the only person feeling "sick". smirkymonkey Jan 2018 #2
It's a national epidemic. Cha Jan 2018 #3
I got a stomach ulcer MFM008 Jan 2018 #5
I hear ya.. I've had some Cha Jan 2018 #6
.......... MFM008 Jan 2018 #8
Mahalo, MFM Cha Jan 2018 #9
I've been drinking too much murielm99 Jan 2018 #11
No kidding, Cha! smirkymonkey Jan 2018 #7
lol.. right, no shite! Cha Jan 2018 #10
No worries there. I remain troubled, though "troubled" is too mild of a word for it. Solly Mack Jan 2018 #4
Some of the conservatives I follow on twitter are more harsh about Trump OKNancy Jan 2018 #12
I think they're feeling betrayed -- and maybe even guilty, for having been taken in. pnwmom Jan 2018 #13
They paved the road he is drag racing on... JHB Jan 2018 #21
Frum has a book coming out on Tuesday and he says that this nation is in trouble. He also says that politicaljunkie41910 Jan 2018 #14
He won't get a dime from me for his book malaise Jan 2018 #15
AND RandomAccess Jan 2018 #20
Yeah, "school choice" Cosmocat Jan 2018 #16
So he sees that he had a hand in getting us five stops past Hitler Station gratuitous Jan 2018 #22
One thought's been going through his mind since it looked like Trump might win. Iggo Jan 2018 #17
If that was his fear he'd be part of the cover-up, like McConnell and Ryan. pnwmom Jan 2018 #18
The phrase axis of evil was EVIL Martin Eden Jan 2018 #19

murielm99

(30,741 posts)
11. I've been drinking too much
Mon Jan 15, 2018, 05:16 AM
Jan 2018

since the election. I have to stop this. I have put on about twenty pounds.

OKNancy

(41,832 posts)
12. Some of the conservatives I follow on twitter are more harsh about Trump
Mon Jan 15, 2018, 05:19 AM
Jan 2018

than many Democratic pundits. I'm talking about well-known pundits, not OTT twitter-stars.

Some of the most biting commentary is from Bill Krystal, Jennifer Rubin, Frum, Nicole Wallace and several others.
Oh obviously need to add Steve Schmidt.

pnwmom

(108,978 posts)
13. I think they're feeling betrayed -- and maybe even guilty, for having been taken in.
Mon Jan 15, 2018, 05:41 AM
Jan 2018

They didn't see Trump coming till it was too late, and some of them had helped lay the groundwork.

JHB

(37,160 posts)
21. They paved the road he is drag racing on...
Mon Jan 15, 2018, 07:34 PM
Jan 2018

...because they thought that they would be the ones drag racing on it. The foamers they used to get power were supposed to stay in their pen. They didn’t think someone outside their club could win by opening the gate and letting the foam loose.

politicaljunkie41910

(3,335 posts)
14. Frum has a book coming out on Tuesday and he says that this nation is in trouble. He also says that
Mon Jan 15, 2018, 05:54 AM
Jan 2018

he played a huge role in that as a Republican and a Conservative when as such he pushed for the deregulation of literally everything which he now admits went too far and as a result, this nation is in trouble. He acknowledges that this country cannot survive with the bulk of this nation's wealth in the hands of the top 3 percent but I guess he expects that we'll have to buy his book to find out the solutions he proposes. He says that Republicans have pushed their base into a frenzy of fanaticism regarding ending abortion for good and no controls on guns, and the GOP now feels that they are at the threshhold of that finally becoming a reality and this is what he says is responsible for the entire Republican Party willing to surrender complete capitulation to Donald Trump. Even though Trump has never been a true conservative, or espoused conservative principles, the entire party is ready to put their entire party, reputation, and lifelong principles behind this man to take them all the way to the promised land.

Even though he believes that his party is headed in the wrong direction and cannot stop itself, he still remains committed to his party for the following reasons: 1) because be believes in school choice, 2) he's not a liberal, and 3) he doesn't believe that the Military should be financed through bake sales. WHAT THE FUCK???????

Well let me say that I had thought, prior to reading Frum's prelude to his new book, that he was not quite the crackpot as the rest of the party and I considered him a moderate, a Never Trumper, by current party standards. I also agree with Frum that his Republican Party is responsible for the current state of affairs we find ourselves at the threshhold of, but find his repudiation of liberalism to be pure unadulterated bullshit.

Prior to reading his prelude, and since it is only a page and a half, it's quick reading, I thought it would be an interesting read from someone who had not yet drank the purple kool-aid, and that maybe Dems might be able to recruit some of the more moderate members of the GOP (yeh, I know that's an oxymoron) to help us rescue this nation from the rabid grasps of Trumpism. But having read that prelude, I come away with nothing that gives me any hope that the fight for this nation's soul will be nothing less than a long, protracted and bloody fight as to whose America arises from the ashes. Ours or Trumps. There is too much at stake, and the GOP is dug in behind their leader Trump, and we Dems must be ready to resist. This is going to get ugly.

https://www.thestar.com/entertainment/books/2018/01/12/q-and-a-david-frum-on-americas-trumpocracy.html

Frum’s new book, Trumpocracy: The Corruption of the American Republic (out Tuesday from Harper), is a plea for Americans to remain as troubled as he is. He argues that Trump is doing deep damage to the country’s democracy. He excoriates the “appeasers” and “enablers” he says keep Trump afloat. And he calls for alarmed citizens to turn fear into action.

 

RandomAccess

(5,210 posts)
20. AND
Mon Jan 15, 2018, 07:28 PM
Jan 2018

This is what he said about that:


I also have been in the conservative world for a long time, and, you know, I have had a hand in making some of the present troubles. I’ve got to fix them.


I hate to tell you this but we NEED conservative voices and thought leaders if we're to save our democracy.

Not only that, I was greatly moved by John Lewis on The View this morning. He told some of the things that happened, and was asked about anger and hate. He told us that MLK, Jr. taught them never to anger, never to hate, that they were to lay down the burden of hate. And non-forgiveness.

And it IS a burden. It's a terrible burden. Non-forgiveness too. I know: I've been carrying around a goodly amount of hate and non-forgiveness myself, so when I look I can see how debilitating it can be. I intend to do more to rid myself of them. Because I know this also to be true: "Hating someone is like drinking poison and expecting the other person to die."

Cosmocat

(14,564 posts)
16. Yeah, "school choice"
Mon Jan 15, 2018, 07:14 AM
Jan 2018

Is as big a flaming disaster is every other idiotic idea these lunatics come up with.

gratuitous

(82,849 posts)
22. So he sees that he had a hand in getting us five stops past Hitler Station
Mon Jan 15, 2018, 07:35 PM
Jan 2018

But doggone it, he's just too dedicated to school choice and outsized military budgets to quit the Republicans. I've heard some lame excuses in my time, but that one? Just wow.

Iggo

(47,554 posts)
17. One thought's been going through his mind since it looked like Trump might win.
Mon Jan 15, 2018, 10:04 AM
Jan 2018

"He's going to get us caught."

Fuck you, Frum. You're in this up to your fucking neck.

Fuck. You.

pnwmom

(108,978 posts)
18. If that was his fear he'd be part of the cover-up, like McConnell and Ryan.
Mon Jan 15, 2018, 01:51 PM
Jan 2018

He's not worried about getting caught. He wants to stop them.

Martin Eden

(12,869 posts)
19. The phrase axis of evil was EVIL
Mon Jan 15, 2018, 02:56 PM
Jan 2018

It's good that voices from the right are denouncing Trump, but Frum and others who helped perpetrate the fraudulent war in Iraq will never be able to redeem the damage and human carnage they inflicted.

There never was an "axis" between Iraq, Iran, and North Korea. The phrase served the purpose of demonizing and dehumanizing entire nations pursuant to a war which has killed upwards of a million or more civilians so far.

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