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packman

(16,296 posts)
Mon Jan 15, 2018, 12:36 PM Jan 2018

10 Things getting out of reach for the Middle Class

Some argue that the most sensible income amount to attach to the middle class would be the median household income, around $54,000. Perhaps, anyone who earns between the 25th percentile and 75th percentile is a member of the middle class.
Diana Farrell, once Deputy Director of America’s National Economic Council, told The Economist she thinks a middle class income begins at the point where a person (or family) has one-third of their income left over for discretionary purposes after they’ve provided themselves with food and shelter. In other words, someone who earns $3,000 per month would have $1,000 left after they’ve paid their mortgage or rent, utilities, and grocery bills
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Discretionary income is not so easy to find. We’ve created a list of ten things the middle class can no longer really afford.

1. Vacations
A vacation is an extra expense that many middle-earners cannot afford without sacrificing something else. A Statista survey found in 2014, 54% of people gave up purchasing big ticket items like TVs or electronics, so they could go on a vacation. Others made sacrifices like reducing or eliminating their trips to the movies (47%), reducing or eliminating trips out to restaurants (43%), or avoiding purchasing small ticket items like new clothing (43%).
2. New vehicles
While many consumers take a great deal of pleasure in buying a new vehicle, a report from Interest.com shows many households are stretching dollars more than they should. Out of the nation’s 25 largest cities, Washington D.C. is the only place where families can truly afford a brand new car, according to a simple calculation..
3. Student loans
Over the past decade, total college debt in America has surged 84% to over $1.2 trillion, according to the Federal Reserve. Approximately 40 million consumers have at least one open student loan, with the average balance totaling nearly $30,000 per borrower.
4. Emergency savings
Nearly half of Americans are placing almost nothing aside for the future. . If a financial emergency arises, 22% plan to cover the bill by reducing spending elsewhere, 16% say they will borrow money from family and friends, and 12% expect credit cards to fill the hole — potentially leading to even bigger problems down the road.
5. Retirement savings
The golden years aren’t just becoming tarnished, they’re becoming extinct. A retirement without some kind of employment is becoming a thing of the past. . Only one in five workers plan to immediately stop working and fully retire when they reach a certain age or savings goal.
6. Medical care
Medical care is a basic necessity and something we’d think would be affordable for someone earning a middle income. A Forbes article published data indicating that workers in large companies — many of whom are members of the middle class — “face nearly $5,000 in premiums, co-payments, deductibles and other forms of co-insurance.”
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7. Dental work
According to the U.S. Department of Health and Human Services, “The U.S. spends about $64 billion each year on oral health care — just 4 percent is paid by Government programs.” About 108 million people in the U.S. have no dental coverage and even those who are covered may have trouble getting the care they need, the department reports.
8. Skipped paychecks
You know the situation is dire when even those with decent incomes can’t afford to skip a paycheck. Nearly one-third of households making $75,000 or more a year live paycheck-to-paycheck at least sometimes.
9. Child care
Kids are expensive. The U.S. Department of Agriculture estimates it costs almost a quarter-million dollars to raise a child to age 18.

10. Going to the movies
. Many people aren’t going to the movie theater as often as they used to, and a big reason is the price. According to a recent report from PricewaterhouseCoopers, rising ticket prices is the biggest reason for movie theater dissatisfaction across all age demographics.
. In contrast, $60 buys the middle class six months of Netflix and all the movies and shows their eyes can handle.

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10 Things getting out of reach for the Middle Class (Original Post) packman Jan 2018 OP
MLB games with the family... lapucelle Jan 2018 #1
+1 uponit7771 Jan 2018 #18
Around here the cost of food continues to soar. Incredible. n/t RKP5637 Jan 2018 #2
But All The Extra Money We're Going To Get In Our Paychecks From The Tax Reform..... global1 Jan 2018 #4
Climate change realities. Vanilla beans $17 each at a local store Hortensis Jan 2018 #5
Just priced vanilla beans at the SF Herb company, which is where I buy spices in bulk. dixiegrrrrl Jan 2018 #25
Just curious, what do you use vanilla beans for? brush Jan 2018 #29
creme brulee' mikeysnot Jan 2018 #32
Ahhh...are you a chef? brush Jan 2018 #34
only in my house... mikeysnot Jan 2018 #35
I don't, actually. Was just pricing them to see the cost. dixiegrrrrl Jan 2018 #42
Wow. Guessing either they're better quality or I Hortensis Jan 2018 #37
The cost of food is what I've noticed going up, too. Vinca Jan 2018 #11
Cat litter adds up, too, especially if you have more than one cat, and if you tblue37 Jan 2018 #12
One reason to love Costco shanti Jan 2018 #14
What a sad list. CrispyQ Jan 2018 #3
On the bright side, big change happened after the Great Depression Hortensis Jan 2018 #6
Increasingly miserly time off policies also kill vacations DBoon Jan 2018 #7
yep, barbtries Jan 2018 #8
Fear it? I think we're already in it! Initech Jan 2018 #16
The economic machine is falling apart. If people can't buy goods and services, one doesn't have much RKP5637 Jan 2018 #23
Don't you mean the next one? We just had one in 2008 called the great recession. brush Jan 2018 #31
no i mean another great depression. barbtries Jan 2018 #39
I'm surprlsed they didn't include owning your own home TexasBushwhacker Jan 2018 #9
Living paycheck to paycheck left-of-center2012 Jan 2018 #10
IMO it's going to get worse. Algorithms are squeezing out every last dollar/penny for many. It's RKP5637 Jan 2018 #19
I am in that demographic and living paycheck to paycheck. Vacations are out of the question for me smirkymonkey Jan 2018 #21
I live on $14,000 a year Social Security (about the national average) left-of-center2012 Jan 2018 #30
How do you survive on $25 per month for food? smirkymonkey Jan 2018 #36
I spend my S.S. on food ... left-of-center2012 Jan 2018 #38
If my household made $75,000 a year we'd be living a LOT better misanthrope Jan 2018 #27
I am lucky Johnny2X2X Jan 2018 #13
If Americans would wake up, this could be cleared up in several election cycles, but far too RKP5637 Jan 2018 #17
No future Johnny2X2X Jan 2018 #22
Yep, agree! Well said!!! n/t RKP5637 Jan 2018 #26
Great Depression II: Electric Boogaloo Die Harder Initech Jan 2018 #15
This entire bubble is going to burst with great fallout! n/t RKP5637 Jan 2018 #20
Yes I agree - if Cheeto gets re-elected FakeNoose Jan 2018 #28
I feel like we've been there since Bush got elected. Initech Jan 2018 #33
Sounds like the Democrats running in 2018 have a lot of topics to discuss eh?? a kennedy Jan 2018 #24
House should be on that list, it's hard coming up with 30 grand down. sarcasmo Jan 2018 #40
In many places just Rent is getting out of reach Johonny Jan 2018 #41

lapucelle

(18,265 posts)
1. MLB games with the family...
Mon Jan 15, 2018, 12:41 PM
Jan 2018

costs as much now as a Broadway show used to cost back when that was a real splurge.

global1

(25,251 posts)
4. But All The Extra Money We're Going To Get In Our Paychecks From The Tax Reform.....
Mon Jan 15, 2018, 01:05 PM
Jan 2018

starting Feb - because of the generosity of Trump and the Repugs will pay for all these 10 things including food - right? (sarcasm)

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
5. Climate change realities. Vanilla beans $17 each at a local store
Mon Jan 15, 2018, 01:05 PM
Jan 2018

because of the hits Madagascar's taking. Fortunately, we can live without those, but for various reasons beef's become something of an indulgence.

dixiegrrrrl

(60,010 posts)
25. Just priced vanilla beans at the SF Herb company, which is where I buy spices in bulk.
Mon Jan 15, 2018, 03:50 PM
Jan 2018

4 oz. of whole vanilla bean, about 3 of them, = 125.00 .

dixiegrrrrl

(60,010 posts)
42. I don't, actually. Was just pricing them to see the cost.
Mon Jan 15, 2018, 10:41 PM
Jan 2018

From what I hear, I am missing out on some good eats that use vanilla beans.
But if the beans are that expensive, so is the extract that we all use.

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
37. Wow. Guessing either they're better quality or I
Mon Jan 15, 2018, 04:23 PM
Jan 2018

may have missed my chance to get a bean for "only" $17. Droughts, cyclones, poor Madagascar. Hope this spring's crop keeps farmers afloat.

Vinca

(50,273 posts)
11. The cost of food is what I've noticed going up, too.
Mon Jan 15, 2018, 02:08 PM
Jan 2018

Especially fresh fruits and vegetables, but also dairy products, coffee and tea and cleaning products. I also buy cat food which, of course, means I'm in it for the real big bucks. LOL.

tblue37

(65,391 posts)
12. Cat litter adds up, too, especially if you have more than one cat, and if you
Mon Jan 15, 2018, 02:53 PM
Jan 2018

clean the litter box regularly, as I do.

CrispyQ

(36,470 posts)
3. What a sad list.
Mon Jan 15, 2018, 01:03 PM
Jan 2018

Vacations? New cars? Meh. But emergency & retirement savings, medical & dental care, child care? What good is a national defense budget if you don't also care for your citizens? Our government should provide the following:

basic guaranteed income to cover three hots & a cot
free healthcare
free education K-college
free child/elder care
a comprehensive public transportation system

Anything less is not civilized.

My rwnj relations like to post an image of a blank writing pad with the words: This is everything you were promised when you came into this world. I told them we pool our resources & work together so it doesn't have to be that way, & I remind them that they grew up in America at a time when we had quality public education K-12, state colleges that didn't take six figures to earn your degree, publicly owned hospitals where an appendectomy didn't break you for life, a highway system that wasn't outdated, national parks that were maintained & had reasonable rates, & on & on. They are Breitbart/Fox addled & believe that they pulled themselves up by their own bootstraps, & that brown people are getting a free ride. But hey, they're not racists.

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
6. On the bright side, big change happened after the Great Depression
Mon Jan 15, 2018, 01:07 PM
Jan 2018

finally spread the pain lower-income people had been feeling for some time to the middle classes.

DBoon

(22,366 posts)
7. Increasingly miserly time off policies also kill vacations
Mon Jan 15, 2018, 01:09 PM
Jan 2018

companies have cut back so much there is no backup if someone is out.

Lax employment security means if you insist on a 2-week vacation, you can often expect to be on the list the next time layoffs roll around.

barbtries

(28,798 posts)
8. yep,
Mon Jan 15, 2018, 01:10 PM
Jan 2018

and the less people do these things, the worse the economy is as a whole. i can't get over how stupid republicans are not to catch on to this.

i fear the next great depression possibly within my lifetime.

Initech

(100,079 posts)
16. Fear it? I think we're already in it!
Mon Jan 15, 2018, 03:30 PM
Jan 2018

The first great depression happened because there were too many wealth hoarders that were holding the world's money hostage. 100 years later, nothing's really changed!

RKP5637

(67,109 posts)
23. The economic machine is falling apart. If people can't buy goods and services, one doesn't have much
Mon Jan 15, 2018, 03:42 PM
Jan 2018

of a capitalistic engine. The GOP is severely shortsighted. Always have been and are known for tanking the economy by the time they leave office.

brush

(53,784 posts)
31. Don't you mean the next one? We just had one in 2008 called the great recession.
Mon Jan 15, 2018, 04:11 PM
Jan 2018

We have one everytime the repugs get in, the one in '08 was more severe than most — two wars off the books didn't help at all.

barbtries

(28,798 posts)
39. no i mean another great depression.
Mon Jan 15, 2018, 07:22 PM
Jan 2018

massive destitution. i know there is too much poverty today and also that 2008 hurt many people but i'm thinking on a massive scale.

either way it's a travesty that in this incredibly wealthy nation this even happens ever.

TexasBushwhacker

(20,192 posts)
9. I'm surprlsed they didn't include owning your own home
Mon Jan 15, 2018, 01:15 PM
Jan 2018

With the median household income being $54K and the median home price being $200K, something's gotta give.

left-of-center2012

(34,195 posts)
10. Living paycheck to paycheck
Mon Jan 15, 2018, 01:52 PM
Jan 2018

"Nearly one-third of households making $75,000 or more a year live paycheck-to-paycheck ..."

RKP5637

(67,109 posts)
19. IMO it's going to get worse. Algorithms are squeezing out every last dollar/penny for many. It's
Mon Jan 15, 2018, 03:38 PM
Jan 2018

a mathematically calculated game of ripoff of the American society. As Americans snooze, they lose, big time.

 

smirkymonkey

(63,221 posts)
21. I am in that demographic and living paycheck to paycheck. Vacations are out of the question for me
Mon Jan 15, 2018, 03:41 PM
Jan 2018

due to massive student loans. I even have a little assistance from my parents to get by and I make a decent income. It's insane how expensive it is just to cover the basics.

left-of-center2012

(34,195 posts)
30. I live on $14,000 a year Social Security (about the national average)
Mon Jan 15, 2018, 04:11 PM
Jan 2018

I'm 71 and in poor health.
I get $25 a month EBT (food stamps).

Thank God for Medicare

 

smirkymonkey

(63,221 posts)
36. How do you survive on $25 per month for food?
Mon Jan 15, 2018, 04:17 PM
Jan 2018

Your medication must take up most of your income. This country is so sick. More and more money keeps going to the rich and the poor just keep getting screwed. It's so wrong!

left-of-center2012

(34,195 posts)
38. I spend my S.S. on food ...
Mon Jan 15, 2018, 04:40 PM
Jan 2018

I let my $25 a month food stamps rollover each month until I have about $100 before using it.

The copays on my medications are $3.30 each prescription thanks to Medicare. (Blue Cross Medicare Advantage HMO)
Without it my insulin alone would be $1,400 each month.

By biggest expense is rent.

Johnny2X2X

(19,066 posts)
13. I am lucky
Mon Jan 15, 2018, 03:10 PM
Jan 2018

I am one of the lucky ones, I am a college grad (Engineering) and have been working in my field for some time and returned to night school and am earning my Masters. I feel pretty accomplished, I did what i had to do to get a good job. I still feel lucky, but what's remarkable is when I think about it, my blue collar father was able to have a better life security and financial wise than me.

He made as much money as I do most of his career. And he retired with a Pension that has allowed him to maintain his lifestyle.

Me? I make good money, and am lucky enough to own a home and 2 cars, one of them almost new. I have a 401K that is way behind where it should be. And I have student loans that are going to be an anchor around me for the rest of my life.

I worked hard, did what I was supposed to do and am a success. But I still will never be as financially set as my father was when he retired after 40 years of being an autoworker.

There is a great crisis coming to this country. People haven't saved enough for retirement and will simply have to figure out how to live on social security, and they're after that too. Tens of millions of working people will become impoverished once they stop working. Something has to give. The future is so bleak for most Americans they can't even bare to think abut it.

RKP5637

(67,109 posts)
17. If Americans would wake up, this could be cleared up in several election cycles, but far too
Mon Jan 15, 2018, 03:33 PM
Jan 2018

many are willfully ignorant, and are getting what they voted for (or by not voting.)

At this stage in the game corrections can be made, but let the status quo go on several more election cycles and recovery will be difficult and possibly impossible. Some societies collapse, America is no different. Great civilizations have fallen apart over the eons.

Americans have really had it pretty good over the decades since WWII, but now the country edges or is in full Idiocracy. Many neglect woefully their civic responsibilities. And many of TPTB could give a F about the country or the people. They are in the game for themselves and their cronies. It's a damn sad state of affairs in the US.


Johnny2X2X

(19,066 posts)
22. No future
Mon Jan 15, 2018, 03:41 PM
Jan 2018

Many Americans simply have no future when they can retire. I am in my 40s, most of my friends have saved nothing for retirement, they are hopeless at this point. They're looking at retiring on social security when they're 70 and eking out a miserable existence until they die. Myself, I will struggle too, but at least I'll have some investment income and hopefully a paid for home.

By age 50, you should have 6X your income in your retirement account, I won't be even close and I am much better off than most. We need to strengthen social security and increase payments.

FakeNoose

(32,639 posts)
28. Yes I agree - if Cheeto gets re-elected
Mon Jan 15, 2018, 04:07 PM
Jan 2018

(my worst nightmare) I believe it's the 1930's all over again.
Only there will be no FDR to save our asses this time.

We CANNOT let this happen!


Initech

(100,079 posts)
33. I feel like we've been there since Bush got elected.
Mon Jan 15, 2018, 04:15 PM
Jan 2018

It's just been one big power and wealth grab by those who already have too much power and wealth. It's a ponzi scheme. The only difference between Bernie Madoff and the Kochs, Waltons, etc is that Bernie was stupid enough to get caught. The Kochs and Waltons have the pieces in place to make sure that doesn't happen and things will only get much worse.

a kennedy

(29,669 posts)
24. Sounds like the Democrats running in 2018 have a lot of topics to discuss eh??
Mon Jan 15, 2018, 03:44 PM
Jan 2018

and this list is the starting point.

Johonny

(20,851 posts)
41. In many places just Rent is getting out of reach
Mon Jan 15, 2018, 08:23 PM
Jan 2018

A family of 4 living in a one bedroom is the new standard coming to a city near you.

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