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wt1531

(424 posts)
Mon Jan 15, 2018, 03:51 PM Jan 2018

One profound thing Don Lemon said, re: Trump and racism

Paraphrasing here, but he (Don Lemon), said, some (not all) white people could afford to put Trump's racism on the back burner as not the top issue compared to economic and other issues. For minorities though, racism affects their very survival as human beings and they cannot afford to put it off as issue number 5 or 8. For minorities, it is always the number 1 issue, as a matter of survival. I think that is a profound point and I agree that the issue of racism is a matter of survival for minorities, and can't be put off as a luxury issue that will be dealt with later on.
It has to be dealt with head on when it happens, no less when it comes from the top office holder of the land.

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One profound thing Don Lemon said, re: Trump and racism (Original Post) wt1531 Jan 2018 OP
Agreed. brush Jan 2018 #1
Trump is not a racist erlewyne Jan 2018 #20
The two terms are redundant. brush Jan 2018 #22
I'm extremely disappointed at the relatively mild reaction of most Dems in Congress. Demit Jan 2018 #2
Its unsettling to say this least! Nt Anon-C Jan 2018 #3
Grabbing a chance to attack congress, Demit? DID YOU CHECK Hortensis Jan 2018 #9
So very brave of the ones who put it on their websites for us to check. Demit Jan 2018 #23
the media does not put Democrats on the evening news very often NewJeffCT Jan 2018 #24
And that paltry coverage is national only and 90% trash. Hortensis Jan 2018 #33
Imagine a unified democratic voice calling out the lies of Cotton & Perdue, CrispyQ Jan 2018 #30
No, it's not, and they did. Weren't you listening Hortensis Jan 2018 #32
Blah, blah, blah. CrispyQ Jan 2018 #34
And you'd be there for the 12-second coverage the media Hortensis Jan 2018 #35
Thank you so much for the link to find out who my reps are! CrispyQ Jan 2018 #36
The thing is for the whites not fooled Jan 2018 #4
White Supremacist comments and policies are a cover for the real agenda: lagomorph777 Jan 2018 #5
As a woman, I came to understand the issue of reproductive choice like that... Hekate Jan 2018 #6
Good point RandomAccess Jan 2018 #15
That was my first thought as well. CrispyQ Jan 2018 #31
I'll never put anything on the back burner... SWBTATTReg Jan 2018 #7
We, people of color, need to remain constantly vigilant, IluvPitties Jan 2018 #8
need to say, but for SOME, racism WAS primary in their moron support. pansypoo53219 Jan 2018 #10
Indeed. iluvtennis Jan 2018 #11
No, we need to be more frank than that... Moostache Jan 2018 #17
not with me heaven05 Jan 2018 #12
That's why women, as a rule, are far more RandomAccess Jan 2018 #16
I agree heaven05 Jan 2018 #21
Hard to care about copays when you are being shot down for jaywalking, you say? Eliot Rosewater Jan 2018 #26
I agree heaven05 Jan 2018 #37
Consider this please ? Raggaemon Jan 2018 #13
Exactly! lunasun Jan 2018 #29
Of course racism is an existential threat. RandomAccess Jan 2018 #14
Women have been saying the exact same thing about sexism. For many generations. BlancheSplanchnik Jan 2018 #18
yes. and it doesn't change with money. In fact, if Don Lemon got pulled over by a cop yurbud Jan 2018 #19
Yep. Economic changes have ZERO impact on racism in real terms, real life. Eliot Rosewater Jan 2018 #27
No money or fame changes racism lunasun Jan 2018 #28
As a woman whose hard earned rights are being eroded daily lunatica Jan 2018 #25
 

Demit

(11,238 posts)
2. I'm extremely disappointed at the relatively mild reaction of most Dems in Congress.
Mon Jan 15, 2018, 04:05 PM
Jan 2018

Especially because of the proximity of his vile remarks to MLK day. They should be expressing outrage.

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
9. Grabbing a chance to attack congress, Demit? DID YOU CHECK
Mon Jan 15, 2018, 05:15 PM
Jan 2018

the sites of our 236 Democrats to find out what their responses were?

Yes? No? If they don't all deliver them personally to us, so we don't have to put ourselves out in any way, is that a tree falling in the forest kind of thing for you?

 

Demit

(11,238 posts)
23. So very brave of the ones who put it on their websites for us to check.
Mon Jan 15, 2018, 09:03 PM
Jan 2018

I certainly didn't mean to imply that they should put themselves out just because that's what they are elected to do. Goodness gracious me.

NewJeffCT

(56,828 posts)
24. the media does not put Democrats on the evening news very often
Tue Jan 16, 2018, 12:39 PM
Jan 2018

with the exception of MSNBC. If they're on other networks, they're often on with a Republican to offer a counterpoint.

If there is no media coverage of the Democrats being outraged, would anybody even know?

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
33. And that paltry coverage is national only and 90% trash.
Tue Jan 16, 2018, 03:17 PM
Jan 2018

Except for those in a few mostly blue cities, just try to find information on local news sources about what your congressmen and state reps are saying and doing. Those who at least have an honest blogger to turn to are fortunate, because the vast majority of the time the only source for what pols are doing are their own sites.

If all the people who complain that their politicians aren't talking to them and are corrupt (how would they know?) paid even minimal attention, they'd be a huge market that local media would rush to cover.

As it is, what all but a handful of big names say is itself mostly like that tree falling soundlessly in the forest with so few listening.

CrispyQ

(36,470 posts)
30. Imagine a unified democratic voice calling out the lies of Cotton & Perdue,
Tue Jan 16, 2018, 03:03 PM
Jan 2018

that was a strong & vocal as the one that called for Franken's resignation. Is that asking too much of dem leadership?

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
32. No, it's not, and they did. Weren't you listening
Tue Jan 16, 2018, 03:12 PM
Jan 2018

at least to your own representatives?

Have to admire them for speaking out for the few who do notice each time, when even people who care, like you, usually have no idea what they're doing.

CrispyQ

(36,470 posts)
34. Blah, blah, blah.
Tue Jan 16, 2018, 03:34 PM
Jan 2018

We're the choir here, on DU, in case you didn't know. If that's all democrats can do, is post something on their sites & FB pages & not get in the face of the major networks & make a big party stink about one of our senior legislators being called a liar by a couple of GOP punks, then this is exactly why we are in the place we are in. The number of times my non-political friends check their reps sites is 0 to 2 times a year.

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
35. And you'd be there for the 12-second coverage the media
Tue Jan 16, 2018, 03:48 PM
Jan 2018

would allocate the first one? And then what, when Dems want another event covered and the TV media say been-there-done-that?

Give me a break, CrispyQ.

Democratic representatives are speaking out. A lot. If you want to hear the messages of your representatives, get off your DU and listen.

Btw, you can go here, http://act.commoncause.org/site/PageServer?pagename=sunlight_advocacy_list_page, plug in your zip code and learn the names of your elected officials.

CrispyQ

(36,470 posts)
36. Thank you so much for the link to find out who my reps are!
Tue Jan 16, 2018, 04:00 PM
Jan 2018

I had no idea! ~insert flip-the-bird smilie here

not fooled

(5,801 posts)
4. The thing is for the whites
Mon Jan 15, 2018, 04:48 PM
Jan 2018

that getting them to support pukes because of racism is the means to robbing them blind with GOPee policies.

The racism, like the faux religiosity and gun nuttery, is another way to get idiots to vote against their economic self interest. It's the old divide-and-conquer tactic used by despots throughout history.

lagomorph777

(30,613 posts)
5. White Supremacist comments and policies are a cover for the real agenda:
Mon Jan 15, 2018, 04:50 PM
Jan 2018

White Billionaire Supremacy.

It seems to work on the rubes.

Hekate

(90,705 posts)
6. As a woman, I came to understand the issue of reproductive choice like that...
Mon Jan 15, 2018, 04:56 PM
Jan 2018

I will not be sneered at as a "single issue voter." A politician's attitudes toward that single issue, the full range of medical care for women, tell me everything I need to know about the rest of their attitudes.

And so it is with race in the same context. It is not "identity politics" or a "litmus test of purity," it is about POC's very survival. I get that.

SWBTATTReg

(22,130 posts)
7. I'll never put anything on the back burner...
Mon Jan 15, 2018, 05:00 PM
Jan 2018

Sexism and bigotry are wrong, period and I'll say something about it too. Where I worked at, this issue had to be dealt w/ with immediately and was not tolerated at all (zero tolerance). People were wrote up for it.

IluvPitties

(3,181 posts)
8. We, people of color, need to remain constantly vigilant,
Mon Jan 15, 2018, 05:06 PM
Jan 2018

as there are evil forces in power trying to oppress and to take away everything we have fought to achieve in our society.

Moostache

(9,895 posts)
17. No, we need to be more frank than that...
Mon Jan 15, 2018, 06:30 PM
Jan 2018

It was not just SOME...it was MOST of them and it was not part of their decision, it was the primary motivation to accept a charlatan and con-man as the standard bearer for the Party of Lincoln. Silence IS consent in this case and those who still claim to be "republicans" and they MUST own their complicity and their motivations. They should be shamed by their own words and deeds.

 

heaven05

(18,124 posts)
12. not with me
Mon Jan 15, 2018, 05:36 PM
Jan 2018

Nothing profound...relative to the POS we have as potus, administration and congress. Yet for generations, survival of the brown race of americans has been priority in the war fought against those who would prefer genocide as an answer to white ameriKKKa`s minority population(s) and it has been the top priority. Now the white brethren of ameriKKKa who have ALWAYS had automatic, if they choose to take advantage, privilege and entitlement, have had AA and minority survival and equality as a priority, if their heart was in the right place.

Yet the prevalence of racism and bigotry still plaguing ameriKKKa and the large numbers who voted for turd-in-chief proves that equality and all inclusiveness is as it has been for generations an elusive ideal never attained except for the 'golden few' who have never given a damn about anything more than their skin color and the assumed superiority of that white skin pigment and those quisling tools the PTB can use to fool some of the people some of the time.

Racism will never end as long as many, many people put privilege and entitlements as their priority over the welfare of all being of the human race.

 

RandomAccess

(5,210 posts)
16. That's why women, as a rule, are far more
Mon Jan 15, 2018, 05:56 PM
Jan 2018

sensitive and aware of what's going on with the men in their lives than not: Survival, hammered into us through millennia of misogyny and oppression.

I don't mean in any way to detract from the plight of PoC. What I'm trying to do is merely point out that ALL oppression is of a piece, all is connected, all owes its source to patriarchy. We'll not overcome it without working together on the problem.

 

heaven05

(18,124 posts)
21. I agree
Mon Jan 15, 2018, 07:26 PM
Jan 2018

Wholeheartedly....a more egalitarian equality that I have always hoped has been a tenet of Democratic Party ideals to strive for in deference to all, right? 2018-20 GOTV

Eliot Rosewater

(31,112 posts)
26. Hard to care about copays when you are being shot down for jaywalking, you say?
Tue Jan 16, 2018, 12:47 PM
Jan 2018

Yeah, I get it.

I dont have to deal with it but I get it.

You do? No way, there simply is not one single example of a POC being shot for jaywalking, NEVER.

http://www.msnbc.com/msnbc/ferguson-police-name-michael-brown

But Darren Wilson, the officer who stopped Brown, wasn’t even aware that Brown was a suspect in the robbery, Ferguson Police Chief Thomas Jackson said Friday afternoon. The officer initially stopped Brown and his friend, Dorian Johnson, because the pair was walking in the middle of a residential street, Jackson said, an admission that provoked outrage from Brown’s family and attorneys.


OK, one. More? Like being shot for having your music too loud? No way, never happened.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shooting_of_Jordan_Davis

The shooting of Jordan Davis took place in Duval County. Dunn was visiting the city for a family wedding.[3] The incident began when Dunn allegedly confronted Davis and his companions, objecting to the volume of the music being played in their vehicle. A verbal argument ensued to which Dunn responded by retrieving a loaded handgun from his car and shooting ten rounds into the teenagers' car, fatally injuring Jordan Russell Davis.[4]


But that wasnt a cop? Do you want me to post more cops shooting POC for little to no reason? I cant, if I start I will never be able to finish. I have a life, you know!

Raggaemon

(68 posts)
13. Consider this please ?
Mon Jan 15, 2018, 05:37 PM
Jan 2018

As a man who grew up under forced racial segregation in the South, we had to keep aware of the rules to survive white racist oppression, it actually was a matter of survival.

Visiting family members in small-town Mississippi in the 1950's, we were told to never look white people in the eyes, or to speak unless spoken to, to step off the sidewalk when someone white walked by, and to NEVER-EVER give an admiring glance at white women.

For centuries black folks studied the ways of white folks, we HAD to as a means of TRYING to understand boundaries, white folks had no such interests nor any desire except to see black people in limiting racial stereotypical caricature ( NO ALL WHITE'S ), as a result, I believe that generally speaking, after having needed to students of white sensibilities for so long there is a chasm now but it's not something most people seem to be aware exists, for the reasons that it does exist.

 

RandomAccess

(5,210 posts)
14. Of course racism is an existential threat.
Mon Jan 15, 2018, 05:50 PM
Jan 2018

So is sexism, so is homophobia, and classism too.

When the U.S. (or any country) goes to war one of the first orders of business is to dehumanize the "enemy." (Actually, that usually begins beforehand, but definitely has to continue and get ramped up.)

The reason is it's hard to kill other humans (for most of us). But a lot less difficult to kill people who are less-than-human AND a threat.

The corollary of that is that when individuals or groups get dehumanized, it invites their abuse and even death. It demands that they be treated less than, and that includes a wide, wide range of unpleasant eventualities from just being ignored or overlooked to laws being written that negatively affect or outright oppress, to violence against them.

That's one of the things that's so pernicious about pornography which is dehumanizing by definition. It INVITES further dehumanization and, as already discussed, worse. (I'm not interested in a discussion about pornography here, so just skip it.)

BlancheSplanchnik

(20,219 posts)
18. Women have been saying the exact same thing about sexism. For many generations.
Mon Jan 15, 2018, 06:39 PM
Jan 2018

Institutionalized Sexism. Societal Sexism. Cultural Sexism. Global Sexism. Everyday Sexism.

Women too, have been not only put on the back burner, but actively attacked for too long.

We’re just starting to be heard, I think.

yurbud

(39,405 posts)
19. yes. and it doesn't change with money. In fact, if Don Lemon got pulled over by a cop
Mon Jan 15, 2018, 06:44 PM
Jan 2018

who didn't know who he was, he would be in danger for driving a car a cop didn't think he could afford to buy.

lunatica

(53,410 posts)
25. As a woman whose hard earned rights are being eroded daily
Tue Jan 16, 2018, 12:41 PM
Jan 2018

I get it. We must all unite in this fight because it affects all of us.

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