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orangecrush

(19,569 posts)
Mon Jan 15, 2018, 06:34 PM Jan 2018

U.S. must accept a new, multipolar world order, Russian foreign minister says

Last edited Mon Jan 15, 2018, 07:13 PM - Edit history (1)

Sabra Ayres

Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov sharply criticized the United States for being a destabilizing force in the world, saying Washington was provoking North Korea into a military confrontation and attempting to derail the Iran nuclear agreement.

Despite the Kremlin’s attempts to rebuild bilateral relations with Washington, the United States continues to push an anti-Russia agenda aimed at undermining Moscow’s emergence as a global power in a multipolar world, the foreign minister said during his annual press conference.


Lavrov addressed a broad list of topics during the two-hour-long conference, including relations with China, Europe and the crisis on the Korean peninsula. With nearly every topic, his answers inevitably returned to what has become a familiar theme from the Kremlin: Washington’s aggressive attempts to push its agenda globally are failing and, in the case of North Korea and Iran, have become potentially dangerous.

"Unfortunately, our American colleagues still want to operate only on the basis of dictating policy, issuing ultimatums, they do not want to hear the perspectives of other centers of world politics," Lavrov said.


https://news.google.com/news/amp?caurl=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.latimes.com%2Fworld%2Fla-fg-russia-lavrov-20180115-story.html#pt0-24285



It's official.

Russia calls for our surrender.





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U.S. must accept a new, multipolar world order, Russian foreign minister says (Original Post) orangecrush Jan 2018 OP
actually it is a call for the US to stop acting unilaterally and to stop with its Voltaire2 Jan 2018 #1
+1,000 n/t malaise Jan 2018 #3
"Sergei Lavrov sharply criticized the United States for being a destabilizing force in the world" orangecrush Jan 2018 #5
well they should stop that too. Voltaire2 Jan 2018 #6
I understand where you are coming from orangecrush Jan 2018 #12
Nobody ever said Putin lacked balls marylandblue Jan 2018 #19
Come November orangecrush Jan 2018 #37
Yeah, all our fault Eliot Rosewater Jan 2018 #11
tell me about it. orangecrush Jan 2018 #13
If I want to be told by anyone anywhere that WE are the problem Eliot Rosewater Jan 2018 #16
Agree with that orangecrush Jan 2018 #38
Lets start with more than 800 overseas military bases. Voltaire2 Jan 2018 #45
My gods. I don't have the energy to argue history just now. I hope someone else does. Hekate Jan 2018 #57
I hate Russia now more than I did during the Cold War ProudLib72 Jan 2018 #2
They convinced the far left to reject Hillary orangecrush Jan 2018 #7
Even if Lavrovatory has a point about unilateral decision making ProudLib72 Jan 2018 #10
Why, yes! orangecrush Jan 2018 #15
I found the picture ProudLib72 Jan 2018 #17
Yes I remember well orangecrush Jan 2018 #26
Did you hear the US comment recently (before this one) that they don't plan to cede malaise Jan 2018 #24
This is the damn 80s all over again ProudLib72 Jan 2018 #58
He knows nothing about anything except the art of the malaise Jan 2018 #62
Still happening and even right here at DU. Eliot Rosewater Jan 2018 #18
again, yes. orangecrush Jan 2018 #27
I think detente was best and is best. David__77 Jan 2018 #44
This is correct. We will no longer be the sole global superpower. Irish_Dem Jan 2018 #4
Republicans orangecrush Jan 2018 #8
Yep, and that is just one way we are screwed up. Irish_Dem Jan 2018 #9
Right. There is China. nt JustABozoOnThisBus Jan 2018 #23
Russia/China/India/Pakistan could be a formidable alliance. Irish_Dem Jan 2018 #25
Good point! orangecrush Jan 2018 #29
Trump was just the final push, we have been heading this way for some time now. Irish_Dem Jan 2018 #31
the average people orangecrush Jan 2018 #39
Yes and we already have. Bush crashed the economy and people lost a lot. Irish_Dem Jan 2018 #42
loot and scoot orangecrush Jan 2018 #47
Nails it. Loot and scoot. Irish_Dem Jan 2018 #49
exactly orangecrush Jan 2018 #50
Majority of Americans cannot see this pattern. Irish_Dem Jan 2018 #51
.......its called insanity bdamomma Jan 2018 #53
I know, no matter how much pain the GOP causes, people just don't see it. Irish_Dem Jan 2018 #55
Seems pretty unlikely though. cemaphonic Jan 2018 #60
and Rump "redefined" our relations with China orangecrush Jan 2018 #35
China and Russia don't have to fight us, they can just outsmart us. nt Irish_Dem Jan 2018 #54
Fuck Russia and all their fucking puppets. onecaliberal Jan 2018 #14
+1 orangecrush Jan 2018 #20
We were easy pickings given our weaknesses. Irish_Dem Jan 2018 #28
The GOP made it easy orangecrush Jan 2018 #30
Sadly, yes. onecaliberal Jan 2018 #32
They have been profiting all along. Irish_Dem Jan 2018 #34
And the right calls us globalists. VOX Jan 2018 #21
The only flag they respect orangecrush Jan 2018 #22
Sad truth. VOX Jan 2018 #33
absolutely orangecrush Jan 2018 #36
They may be NWO Globalists, but they're OUR NWO Globalists ... Team TrumPutin ... mr_lebowski Jan 2018 #43
yup orangecrush Jan 2018 #46
Soros is the $$$, Obama is the mastermind. VOX Jan 2018 #48
#neverforget orangecrush Jan 2018 #52
Who can forget? When the Brunswick pinsetters went down, well... VOX Jan 2018 #63
LMAO orangecrush Jan 2018 #65
Desperate times call for desperate humor. VOX Jan 2018 #66
Trust the loudest, jingoistic, flag waving morans to destroy US exceptionalism. bullimiami Jan 2018 #40
unfortunately we only have ourselves to blame AlexSFCA Jan 2018 #41
Who does that serve, may I ask? Especially since it is Putin's proven goal to break up Western... Hekate Jan 2018 #56
The Magnitsky Act Is Eating Away At Them Me. Jan 2018 #59
+1 uponit7771 Jan 2018 #64
Fuck Putin and fuck Russia. roamer65 Jan 2018 #61
+1 orangecrush Jan 2018 #67

Voltaire2

(13,042 posts)
1. actually it is a call for the US to stop acting unilaterally and to stop with its
Mon Jan 15, 2018, 06:39 PM
Jan 2018

policy of pursuing global military hegemony. I think those are both good ideas, even if they are being spoken by somebody in the Russian government.

orangecrush

(19,569 posts)
5. "Sergei Lavrov sharply criticized the United States for being a destabilizing force in the world"
Mon Jan 15, 2018, 06:42 PM
Jan 2018

What do they call covertly supporting extreme right wing politics in Europe and Donald Trump in the U.S., for the purpose of destabilizing?

orangecrush

(19,569 posts)
12. I understand where you are coming from
Mon Jan 15, 2018, 06:52 PM
Jan 2018

but coming from Russia, it sounds like criticism of Trump from repubs who still support his policies.

Their only true concern is distancing themselves from Trump's toxicity to moderate voters, while still benefiting from his rubber stamp.

Russia has serious balls to point a finger at us for destabilising after throwing a monkey wrench in our election, and bringing so many worldwide so much misery.

Eliot Rosewater

(31,112 posts)
16. If I want to be told by anyone anywhere that WE are the problem
Mon Jan 15, 2018, 06:54 PM
Jan 2018

well suffice it to say, i shouldnt have to read it here

orangecrush

(19,569 posts)
38. Agree with that
Mon Jan 15, 2018, 07:30 PM
Jan 2018

It is a measure of how effective Russian influence ops are.

I was once a believer in Wikileaks, and a couple other Putin deceptions.

Trump was the cold slap in the face that woke me up.

Voltaire2

(13,042 posts)
45. Lets start with more than 800 overseas military bases.
Mon Jan 15, 2018, 08:01 PM
Jan 2018

Nobody here, for example me, is claiming that Russia is not a problem. Russia misbehaves. So do we. We are currently blowing people up on just about every continent. The scale of our military operations dwarfs anything anyone else is doing.

It seems we have just erased from memory the long and sorry history of our post ww-2 military misadventures, big and small, including both vietnam and iraq, and are now, in the Trump era, viewing everything through some neo-coldwar "ruskies vs usa" faux patriotic prism. Much as we did in the late 70s, we've once again forgotten the lessons learned from colossal failures like Iraq and have moved on to simplistic nationalistic posturing.

ProudLib72

(17,984 posts)
2. I hate Russia now more than I did during the Cold War
Mon Jan 15, 2018, 06:40 PM
Jan 2018

I want them gone. Disappeared like the non-entities they are.

orangecrush

(19,569 posts)
7. They convinced the far left to reject Hillary
Mon Jan 15, 2018, 06:44 PM
Jan 2018

and gave us Donald Trump with their right hand.

They have destabilised and subverted very effectively.

ProudLib72

(17,984 posts)
10. Even if Lavrovatory has a point about unilateral decision making
Mon Jan 15, 2018, 06:51 PM
Jan 2018

The chutzpah of his remarks is vomit worthy. Everyone in the entire world knows they fucked with elections (not just ours), so this is just salt in the wound.

BTW: Wasn't it Lavrovatory and the gleeful fat man Kislyuck who met with the orange menace in the oval office where only RT reporters were allowed?

ProudLib72

(17,984 posts)
17. I found the picture
Mon Jan 15, 2018, 06:55 PM
Jan 2018


Edit: Remember that is was soon after this that the Russians demanded their spy houses returned to them?

malaise

(269,022 posts)
24. Did you hear the US comment recently (before this one) that they don't plan to cede
Mon Jan 15, 2018, 07:11 PM
Jan 2018

any global power.
For the record the US and Russia are not the only sovereign states on our planet. Most of the word hates the idea of one superpower.

ProudLib72

(17,984 posts)
58. This is the damn 80s all over again
Mon Jan 15, 2018, 11:10 PM
Jan 2018

His royal orange flatulence wanted to show off his nukes before he was even elected, and he continues to taunt Kim. He has no clue that power can (and should) mean something other than how many nukes a country has. I mean, whatever "power" we had is being ceded to other nations through his own stupidity. But as long as he has a button...

Do you think he would understand economic power if he were shown colorful diagrams of the GDPs of several countries? Or maybe growth in technology? Or would he shake his head and shout "COAL"?

David__77

(23,418 posts)
44. I think detente was best and is best.
Mon Jan 15, 2018, 08:00 PM
Jan 2018

I hope our leaders won’t be motivated by hatred of other countries.

Reagan joked about “banning” Russia with bombs. I think things would have gone better had Mondale won in 1984.

Irish_Dem

(47,114 posts)
4. This is correct. We will no longer be the sole global superpower.
Mon Jan 15, 2018, 06:41 PM
Jan 2018

We are just too screwed up as a country.

Irish_Dem

(47,114 posts)
25. Russia/China/India/Pakistan could be a formidable alliance.
Mon Jan 15, 2018, 07:13 PM
Jan 2018

Together they have a big chunk of the world's population.
China has also been cultivating Africa for some time now.

orangecrush

(19,569 posts)
29. Good point!
Mon Jan 15, 2018, 07:18 PM
Jan 2018

And we are struggling to remain relevant.

Trump may have killed that possibility.

How convenient.

Irish_Dem

(47,114 posts)
31. Trump was just the final push, we have been heading this way for some time now.
Mon Jan 15, 2018, 07:20 PM
Jan 2018

The GOP really set us up to fail.
But they are rich and don't care.

Irish_Dem

(47,114 posts)
42. Yes and we already have. Bush crashed the economy and people lost a lot.
Mon Jan 15, 2018, 07:34 PM
Jan 2018

Housing values and investment accounts.
The Iraqi War cost trillions of dollars.
Education and health care are way too expensive.
And it will continue.

Irish_Dem

(47,114 posts)
49. Nails it. Loot and scoot.
Mon Jan 15, 2018, 09:10 PM
Jan 2018

And then blame the Dems while they dump the mess on a Dem president to fix.
Once the piggy bank is full the GOP loots and scoots again.

Irish_Dem

(47,114 posts)
55. I know, no matter how much pain the GOP causes, people just don't see it.
Mon Jan 15, 2018, 09:48 PM
Jan 2018

They live in their own reality.
Yes a form of insanity.

cemaphonic

(4,138 posts)
60. Seems pretty unlikely though.
Mon Jan 15, 2018, 11:55 PM
Jan 2018

India and Pakistan loathe each other, and China has a number of longstanding disputes with both India and Russia.

Irish_Dem

(47,114 posts)
28. We were easy pickings given our weaknesses.
Mon Jan 15, 2018, 07:18 PM
Jan 2018

Corrupt leadership.
Leadership unable to govern.
Non secured voting system.
Apathetic citizens prone to believing propaganda.
GOP drive to create division, anger, hatred.
Racism.
Lower standard of living compared to other industrialized countries.
(Lack of health care, education)
Poverty.

I could go on, but you get the drift.

Putin did it because it was so easy.

Irish_Dem

(47,114 posts)
34. They have been profiting all along.
Mon Jan 15, 2018, 07:21 PM
Jan 2018

They deliberately weakened America for their own profit, money and power.
They could care less what happens to the country.

VOX

(22,976 posts)
21. And the right calls us globalists.
Mon Jan 15, 2018, 07:03 PM
Jan 2018

Meanwhile, they’re busy snuggling up to Putin and the oligarchs.

 

mr_lebowski

(33,643 posts)
43. They may be NWO Globalists, but they're OUR NWO Globalists ... Team TrumPutin ...
Mon Jan 15, 2018, 07:35 PM
Jan 2018

Not Team (((SOROS))).

Catch my drift?

VOX

(22,976 posts)
48. Soros is the $$$, Obama is the mastermind.
Mon Jan 15, 2018, 09:00 PM
Jan 2018

Joining forces with the “Lie-beral” MSM, they have led the deep state to...to do... to do whatever it is that they do.

Even though the far-right now owns the entire Republican Party, and controls all three branches of the fed. gov’t., and has a 24/7 dedicated “state news”outlet, and has thrown out regulations that kept things in check, sold public lands, stole a SCOTUS seat, are hostile to the free press, and are hand-in-glove with Russian oligarchs...

It’s the Deep State that’s killing America! Soros! Obama! Hillary! The Clinton Foundation! The country is a mere whisper away from suffering a leftist takeover! Don’t any good Americans remember Jade Helm, when Obama invaded Texas? Or the Bowling Green Massacre?

VOX

(22,976 posts)
63. Who can forget? When the Brunswick pinsetters went down, well...
Tue Jan 16, 2018, 05:50 AM
Jan 2018

We knew we had a full-blown massacre on our hands. Gutterballs so thick people started scoring them as strikes. The front desk gave up spraying...the...shoes...

I can’t talk about it, I mustn’t talk about it...I was *told* to not talk about...

For some, the memories never cease.

bullimiami

(13,095 posts)
40. Trust the loudest, jingoistic, flag waving morans to destroy US exceptionalism.
Mon Jan 15, 2018, 07:33 PM
Jan 2018

And of course their orange pied piper.

AlexSFCA

(6,137 posts)
41. unfortunately we only have ourselves to blame
Mon Jan 15, 2018, 07:34 PM
Jan 2018

we had every tool in the world, access to information, press, etc. but you just can’t heal stupid. US has lost its standing in the world after it launched the war in Iraq which Gemrany, France and Russia strongly opposed. This was the beginning of the end of US global respect and dominance. We regained some of it back when Obama came to power but it only lasted until his senseess Bush like decision - Lybia. As much as we can all hate putin, he is the smart one here playing a long game. It’s evil genius against stable genius. We all agree that it was illiegal for Russia to invade Ukraine but US should have stayed silent on this - because they violated the wolrd order under Bush W. and no longer had standing. In this respect, Russia’s claim to Crimea seemed more valid than US claim to Iraq which it doesn’t even share border with.

With this in mind, I think that it would be nice for a change for our country to implement a non-intervention Switzerland like global policy.

Would we have been better off if we had never invaded Vietman, Korea, Iraq, Lybia, etc.?

Hekate

(90,706 posts)
56. Who does that serve, may I ask? Especially since it is Putin's proven goal to break up Western...
Mon Jan 15, 2018, 09:54 PM
Jan 2018

...democracies and alliances. Putin supported Brexit to hurt the EU. Now there is one less nation in that powerful alliance, and Britain must negotiate terms alone. He supported Calexit, too -- maybe as a joke, maybe not. But just imagine how much fun he'll have if my fellow Californians actually put this measure on the ballot this year.

Putin supported Trump, and it sure as hell isn't because he wants the US to be powerful and have a lot of allies.

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