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Hugabear

(10,340 posts)
Tue Jul 24, 2012, 02:11 AM Jul 2012

Should there be a limit to how many guns one can have on them at any one time?

I'm not talking about in your house; I'm talking about in your car, on your person, anywhere that you're out in public. I do not see any rational reason why anybody should need to carry multiple guns at any one time, unless they are a licensed and registered dealer. With many of these mass shootings, the shooter has had several guns on them - switching from gun to gun as desired or as ammo runs out.

Many states already have laws on concealed weapons, placing a limit on the number of weapons one could carry should be no different.

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Should there be a limit to how many guns one can have on them at any one time? (Original Post) Hugabear Jul 2012 OP
But, But, He Might Be Attacked By a Whole Gang, One, Two, Even, Might Jam, He Could Be Helpless, Sir The Magistrate Jul 2012 #1
because everyone knows MrDiaz Jul 2012 #7
FFS pipoman Jul 2012 #2
Interesting take, but I don't think it would make any difference. MercutioATC Jul 2012 #3
OMG Skittles Jul 2012 #4
Why? permatex Jul 2012 #19
I just haven't a clue what difference such a law would make. Laws aren't spells. TheKentuckian Jul 2012 #5
All the laws you can come up with Serve The Servants Jul 2012 #6
With many of these mass shootings, the shooter has had several guns on them Trunk Monkey Jul 2012 #8
With this law, if someone had just seen this person walking into a movie theater hughee99 Jul 2012 #9
Do you think... Mike_Valentine Jul 2012 #10
And if no one saw him then it wouldn't have mattered how many guns hughee99 Jul 2012 #28
The shooter was a man who didn't care about the law MiniMe Jul 2012 #11
Normally for a trip to the range I transport 4-6 ileus Jul 2012 #12
Same here. Ganja Ninja Jul 2012 #23
We.re supposed to clean em? michreject Jul 2012 #25
No more than they can walk with without tipping over. TheCowsCameHome Jul 2012 #13
One person who owns one gun is precisely as much threat to me 4th law of robotics Jul 2012 #14
Yes, zero. ananda Jul 2012 #15
Absolutely pointless. Lizzie Poppet Jul 2012 #16
I really don't think this would have stopped Holmes from carrying multiple guns to the massacre aikoaiko Jul 2012 #17
The problem permatex Jul 2012 #18
I take as many as six when I take novice shooters out for their first range experience slackmaster Jul 2012 #20
Why not go the other way? LiberalFighter Jul 2012 #21
Why? permatex Jul 2012 #26
Not the quantity, just the type. Semi-automatics are for wimps. HopeHoops Jul 2012 #22
Always carry one................always michreject Jul 2012 #24
You gonna enforce that with pat-downs to check? jberryhill Jul 2012 #27

The Magistrate

(95,247 posts)
1. But, But, He Might Be Attacked By a Whole Gang, One, Two, Even, Might Jam, He Could Be Helpless, Sir
Tue Jul 24, 2012, 02:20 AM
Jul 2012

An sensible and prepared person really should not be without at least three firearms on his or her person at all times....

 

pipoman

(16,038 posts)
2. FFS
Tue Jul 24, 2012, 02:21 AM
Jul 2012

That would have made him only carry one, eh? What a silly post. Let us know when the 'Hugabear opinion standard' is adopted by anyone as the arbiter of "rational reason"..

 

MercutioATC

(28,470 posts)
3. Interesting take, but I don't think it would make any difference.
Tue Jul 24, 2012, 02:32 AM
Jul 2012

My Glock 19 (9mm) has a "standard" 15-round magazine. I can buy 32-round magazines for it. Some states require a maximum magazine capacity of as few as 10 rounds.

I'm no competition shooter and I can drop a mag and reload in less than 4 seconds. Does it really make a difference if I can shoot 10 rounds, take 4 seconds to reload, shoot another 10, take 4 seconds to reload and shoot another 10 or just shoot 30 without reloading?

My point is that one firearm at the strictest state standards is more than enough to do whatever damage one intends. I don't see where a restriction on the number of guns would make any practical difference.

 

permatex

(1,299 posts)
19. Why?
Tue Jul 24, 2012, 09:26 AM
Jul 2012

Those of us with CCP's usually only carry one now.
A law limiting how many one could carry is not needed, it would just be another feel good useless law.

TheKentuckian

(25,026 posts)
5. I just haven't a clue what difference such a law would make. Laws aren't spells.
Tue Jul 24, 2012, 03:27 AM
Jul 2012

If I'm thinking I'm going to go massacre some folks, I'm not going to be worried about a limit and so the law would have about zero benefit.

Let's say the idea becomes law, what is the actual win? Which mass murders would be prevented? Does the law provide the ability to prosecute a mass murderer?

You don't construct laws based on "for what good reason are you doing X?", you construct them for societal benefit which means that it is on you to show a need and benefits.

If your need is to prevent mass murders then how does the proposed law do so? If you can't say how but "its doing SOMETHING" then you have a vanity law and a placebo. You don't like the idea of someone having a bunch of guns around you and perhaps the law would address that but it cannot provide a benefit to society beyond addressing your personal feeling at the expense of someone else's personal feeling. There is no impact on you if your neighbor has five guns on him somewhere that doesn't come with far more trouble for them than you can add to the tally.
There is no plausible deterrence. The cost of "doing business" cannot be any less than the penalty, and probably would be far less, the person you are trying to stop is already facing life or the death penalty as is.

Also, remember physics imposes far better limits than the most carefully crafted law ever could, a motherfucker seldom has more than two usable hands. I trust that over some clumsy law that will waste tax dollars and damage decent people who get pulled over on the way to the range or during a move more than anything else.

Serve The Servants

(328 posts)
6. All the laws you can come up with
Tue Jul 24, 2012, 04:44 AM
Jul 2012

wouldn't mean jack-shit if someone is already hell bent on committing mass-murder.

 

Trunk Monkey

(950 posts)
8. With many of these mass shootings, the shooter has had several guns on them
Tue Jul 24, 2012, 06:41 AM
Jul 2012

Not true

in most of them the shooter had 1 or 2 I think only in Columbine and Aurora did the shooter have more than that.

You don't need too many if you intend to start shooting in a place where the law abiding are barred from carrying a firearm.

hughee99

(16,113 posts)
9. With this law, if someone had just seen this person walking into a movie theater
Tue Jul 24, 2012, 06:49 AM
Jul 2012

with a bunch of guns on him in full body armor, they could have arrested him. Without that law, he'd raise no suspicions.

 

Mike_Valentine

(35 posts)
10. Do you think...
Tue Jul 24, 2012, 08:14 AM
Jul 2012

... that if a crowd had seen this guy walking into a theater with armor, a gas mask, AR-15 and other misc, they wouldn't have called it in as the laws stand now?

This would have zero effect on criminals and only be hindrance to law abiding citizens.

hughee99

(16,113 posts)
28. And if no one saw him then it wouldn't have mattered how many guns
Tue Jul 24, 2012, 10:52 AM
Jul 2012

he had either, since no one would have stopped him until it was too late.

I didn't add the tag to my post, but that's how I intended it to read.

We have a tragedy like this and people come up with all sorts of ideas to "address" the gun problem, but I haven't seen anything yet that would prevent this specific kind of issue.

MiniMe

(21,717 posts)
11. The shooter was a man who didn't care about the law
Tue Jul 24, 2012, 08:29 AM
Jul 2012

If he did, he wouldn't have been shooting all of those people.

ileus

(15,396 posts)
12. Normally for a trip to the range I transport 4-6
Tue Jul 24, 2012, 08:43 AM
Jul 2012

Hunting 2-3 depending on the number of people hitting the field.

Ganja Ninja

(15,953 posts)
23. Same here.
Tue Jul 24, 2012, 09:33 AM
Jul 2012

When I go to the range I will have 4 to 6 guns with me. It sucks though to have to clean them after.

 

4th law of robotics

(6,801 posts)
14. One person who owns one gun is precisely as much threat to me
Tue Jul 24, 2012, 09:12 AM
Jul 2012

as one person who owns a thousand guns.

How many hands do you think people have?

Personally I'd prefer they load themselves down with dozens of guns before going on a rampage. It would only slow them down.

This is another one of those laws that seems reasonable at first glance. But if you look in to it it becomes obvious that such a limit would do precisely nothing to make us safer.

aikoaiko

(34,172 posts)
17. I really don't think this would have stopped Holmes from carrying multiple guns to the massacre
Tue Jul 24, 2012, 09:18 AM
Jul 2012

Most concealed carry folks carry one handgun, but some carry a 2nd (usually) smaller back-up gun.

But because it is funny I submit this video:



ETA: And as others have said, its not uncommon for me to carry 4 - 5 guns to the range.
 

permatex

(1,299 posts)
18. The problem
Tue Jul 24, 2012, 09:23 AM
Jul 2012

is that criminals won't abide by limits, the only ones impacted by such a law are the ones who obey the laws. If criminals agree to the limit, then so will I. This would just be another useless feel good law that will have zero impact on crime.
Anyways, I only carry one now unless I'm headed to the range for a day of shooting.

 

slackmaster

(60,567 posts)
20. I take as many as six when I take novice shooters out for their first range experience
Tue Jul 24, 2012, 09:28 AM
Jul 2012
I do not see any rational reason why anybody should need to carry multiple guns at any one time...

HTH

LiberalFighter

(50,950 posts)
21. Why not go the other way?
Tue Jul 24, 2012, 09:30 AM
Jul 2012

Require all gun owners to have on their person that decides to carry their guns in public to have them all on their person including the bullets.

michreject

(4,378 posts)
24. Always carry one................always
Tue Jul 24, 2012, 09:36 AM
Jul 2012

Many time two and have been know to carry three. The third being a NAA 22 mag mini revolver. I carry it in a medallion holster.

I haven't murdered anyone yet.

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