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PJMcK

(22,040 posts)
Wed Jan 17, 2018, 12:29 AM Jan 2018

My theory regarding Trump's physical

Since I do not believe one word issued from Trump's White House, here's my take on the information released regarding Trump's health.

I don't believe any of it.

Trump is the Commander-in-Chief. The physician who examined him is Ronny L. Jackson, MD. Physician to the President, Rear Admiral, U.S. Navy. Therefore, the doctor is a subordinate to the president.

Trump ordered him to issue a favorable and flattering report.

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My theory regarding Trump's physical (Original Post) PJMcK Jan 2018 OP
Clearly, even the teeth aren't real C_U_L8R Jan 2018 #1
Exactly! PJMcK Jan 2018 #4
Ronny lied. dchill Jan 2018 #2
This message was self-deleted by its author pbmus Jan 2018 #3
I'd put his weight closer to 270 pounds PJMcK Jan 2018 #6
Me too. pangaia Jan 2018 #8
I'd say, based on my own height and (over)weight, that Trump is close to 290. FuzzyRabbit Jan 2018 #15
I'm pretty sure NewJeffCT Jan 2018 #29
Sad onenote Jan 2018 #5
Happy PJMcK Jan 2018 #9
Forgive me if I mis-remember, but doesn't this Doc say he's in the 235-lb range? mr_lebowski Jan 2018 #10
+1, "Trump ordered him to issue a favorable and flattering report. " which the CiC can do under the uponit7771 Jan 2018 #7
I have my doubts thbobby Jan 2018 #11
Trump may have ordered him to give a good report, but when he signed his name incorrectly... Frustratedlady Jan 2018 #18
He signed his name correctly today LeftInTX Jan 2018 #19
How the hell do you misspell "Ronny L. Jackson" TexasBushwhacker Jan 2018 #27
They spelled it, "Dr. Ronnie Jackson" LeftInTX Jan 2018 #28
Dr. Jackson did not examine President Bush PJMcK Jan 2018 #31
The same doctor examined Obama and Bush. former9thward Jan 2018 #12
Fair question PJMcK Jan 2018 #13
Yes, we live in weird times. former9thward Jan 2018 #16
Once again, fair enough PJMcK Jan 2018 #17
For once I agree with you. LeftInTX Jan 2018 #20
no, we can see he is obviously lying right now which wasn't the case then JI7 Jan 2018 #14
Perhaps they appealed to the doctor's patriotism.. X_Digger Jan 2018 #25
Dr. Jackson did not examine President Bush PJMcK Jan 2018 #32
This message was self-deleted by its author former9thward Jan 2018 #33
Had to edit this. The Dr. seems to be an accomplished, decorated, and honorable man. CentralMass Jan 2018 #21
A clean bill of health, is not always a guarantee.. HipChick Jan 2018 #22
Jan 9: Trump says his physical will go very well tanyev Jan 2018 #23
+1 dalton99a Jan 2018 #24
he wouldnt be the first wh doc to lie/cover up mopinko Jan 2018 #26
Given that his drivers license had him at 6ft 2inches and at his age arthritisR_US Jan 2018 #30
I agree, I think they probably spin it internally as national security issue XRubicon Jan 2018 #34

PJMcK

(22,040 posts)
4. Exactly!
Wed Jan 17, 2018, 12:36 AM
Jan 2018

But most Americans won't think about this critically.

Our populace has been dumbed-down so critical analysis no longer applies to their views of our so-called leaders.

Response to PJMcK (Original post)

PJMcK

(22,040 posts)
6. I'd put his weight closer to 270 pounds
Wed Jan 17, 2018, 12:38 AM
Jan 2018

The entire style of his clothing is to hide his girth.

Once again, I am not fat-shaming. I merely want the truth.

NewJeffCT

(56,828 posts)
29. I'm pretty sure
Wed Jan 17, 2018, 01:58 PM
Jan 2018

that Trump is at least a few inches shy of 6'3"

I'm guessing closer to 5'11" to 6'0" at best. See the picture at the link below.

https://www.democraticunderground.com/100210111387

onenote

(42,737 posts)
5. Sad
Wed Jan 17, 2018, 12:37 AM
Jan 2018

Loosen the tinfoil.

I remember when this place blew up over non-doctors pretending to give medical diagnoses. Now some people here do it all the time.

Like I said, sad.

PJMcK

(22,040 posts)
9. Happy
Wed Jan 17, 2018, 12:48 AM
Jan 2018

I'm happy because we can still express our views. Thank you, Bill of Rights. I'm confident that if Trump could, he'd shut us down.

There are very few statements that come from the Trump White House that can withstand scrutiny. Given your posting history and longevity on DU illustrates that you know what I write is true.

In fact, I am not making a diagnosis as I am not a doctor. But I do have critical thinking abilities and when I assess the comments from this administration, they lie with impunity.

Can you really dispute Trump's weight? Or his BP/HR given his acknowledged diet?

Regardless, we are on the same side in this morass.

Lastly, I use aluminum foil. (wink)

 

mr_lebowski

(33,643 posts)
10. Forgive me if I mis-remember, but doesn't this Doc say he's in the 235-lb range?
Wed Jan 17, 2018, 12:48 AM
Jan 2018

Do you not find that a bit ... UNLIKELY?

And if he's not being honest about that ... it's logical to wonder if he's being honest about ... anything, really.

The mental decline and dementia-like behavior is pretty undeniable at this point, though there may be no measurable 'signs' in terms of things showing up in blood work or the like.

I'm not going to 'diagnose' from afar, but I will say I'm beginning to wonder if he might not have some 'lewy bodies' going on myself.

And it would seem to be correct to say that he is Commander-In-Chief and hence holds de-facto executive power over his physician.

uponit7771

(90,348 posts)
7. +1, "Trump ordered him to issue a favorable and flattering report. " which the CiC can do under the
Wed Jan 17, 2018, 12:42 AM
Jan 2018

... guises of national security or some shit.

the admiral was had a couple of tells that he wasn't telling the truth including saying "you know" too many times when speaking about something factual.

thbobby

(1,474 posts)
11. I have my doubts
Wed Jan 17, 2018, 12:50 AM
Jan 2018

But I have no evidence to believe Dr. Jackson is lying. The statement from the Whitehouse with his name spelled incorrectly stinks, but still not enough info to believe the Dr. lied.

trump is a sociopath. Medical diagnoses of that condition cannot be done with a rudimentary test. The mental abnormalities of trump are obvious are beyond question. But claiming he is insane or infirmed is speculation. To me, he looks like a walking corpse, but I may be biased.

Frustratedlady

(16,254 posts)
18. Trump may have ordered him to give a good report, but when he signed his name incorrectly...
Wed Jan 17, 2018, 01:53 AM
Jan 2018

it might have been a way for him to follow orders, but still be able to signal to anyone who knew him that it wasn't truly his name. Kind of like someone trying to signal they have been kidnapped and needed help.

Hey, that may sound strange, but how many strange things have we seen during this administration.

It would be interesting to see how he signed Obama and Bush's report.

What I found interesting was that he visits with him several times/day? For a reason? Trump has time?

LeftInTX

(25,489 posts)
19. He signed his name correctly today
Wed Jan 17, 2018, 05:01 AM
Jan 2018

Last week, he didn't sign anything.
Last week the WH "quoted" him and spelled his name incorrectly.

TexasBushwhacker

(20,208 posts)
27. How the hell do you misspell "Ronny L. Jackson"
Wed Jan 17, 2018, 10:43 AM
Jan 2018

Also, physicians do not sign their name "Dr. Joe Blow". They sign it "Joe Blow, MD".

PJMcK

(22,040 posts)
31. Dr. Jackson did not examine President Bush
Wed Jan 17, 2018, 04:06 PM
Jan 2018

He was appointed by President Obama. This is from Wikipedia:

Ronny Lynn Jackson (born May 4, 1967) is an American medical doctor and United States Navy admiral who is currently serving as Physician to the President. First appointed on July 25, 2013, by Barack Obama, he was retained by Donald Trump after his election in 2016.


Facts.

former9thward

(32,064 posts)
12. The same doctor examined Obama and Bush.
Wed Jan 17, 2018, 12:52 AM
Jan 2018

Was he lying about them? Did you accept his report about them?

PJMcK

(22,040 posts)
13. Fair question
Wed Jan 17, 2018, 01:00 AM
Jan 2018

My point still stands, however.

As a military officer, the president's physician is obligated to follow his lawful orders.

Here is my skeptical perspective: What if Trump ordered Dr. Jackson to issue a healthy report? Given the publicly available evidence that Trump has tried to obstruct justice, do you really think Trump wouldn't skew his physical?

We live in weird times.

former9thward

(32,064 posts)
16. Yes, we live in weird times.
Wed Jan 17, 2018, 01:14 AM
Jan 2018

But I can remember the left questioning Bush's exams. And then the right questioning Obama's exams (self admitted drug use and a 30 year heavy smoking habit). All by the same doctor that examined Trump. Watching Trump on TV I have no reason to believe he is unhealthy for a 71 year old . (BTW I would never vote for anyone 65 or older for President because I think that is too old. Call me ageist or whatever) I am not going to play an internet doctor. If others wish to do that, fine, but I think it is at the level of gossip.

LeftInTX

(25,489 posts)
20. For once I agree with you.
Wed Jan 17, 2018, 05:08 AM
Jan 2018

I've watched Trump and he seems to be more of an a**hole than anything else.

I remember people were saying Bush had a low IQ. I don't think he had a low IQ. He graduated from both Yale and Harvard.

X_Digger

(18,585 posts)
25. Perhaps they appealed to the doctor's patriotism..
Wed Jan 17, 2018, 09:45 AM
Jan 2018

"Sir, do you want the president of the most power nation in the world to appear weak, when we've got nukes in south korea under the control of a petulant toddler?" (nevermind our own petulant toddler) "It's your duty to insure that faith in our country is maintained.."

blah blah blah

PJMcK

(22,040 posts)
32. Dr. Jackson did not examine President Bush
Wed Jan 17, 2018, 04:07 PM
Jan 2018

He was appointed by President Obama. This is from Wikipedia:

Ronny Lynn Jackson (born May 4, 1967) is an American medical doctor and United States Navy admiral who is currently serving as Physician to the President. First appointed on July 25, 2013, by Barack Obama, he was retained by Donald Trump after his election in 2016.


Facts.

Response to PJMcK (Reply #32)

HipChick

(25,485 posts)
22. A clean bill of health, is not always a guarantee..
Wed Jan 17, 2018, 06:29 AM
Jan 2018

against suddenly dropping down dead....been to quite a number of furneals over the past few years that support this..

tanyev

(42,594 posts)
23. Jan 9: Trump says his physical will go very well
Wed Jan 17, 2018, 09:41 AM
Jan 2018
President Donald Trump is predicting his first health checkup by a military physician will go 'very well,' as the public awaits the first disclosure by a doctor outside of Trump's employ.

'I think it's going to go very well,' Trump told reporters when asked about his physical a day before he sees a Navy doctor. He added that, 'I'll be very surprised if it doesn't.'

'He’ll join me here on Tuesday to give a detailed readout of the president’s exam and then answer a few questions from you guys,' said White House press secretary Sarah Huckabee Sanders at her daily press briefing.

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5252025/Trump-faces-presidential-fitness-test-amid-raised-concerns.html#ixzz54RuDORxo
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Methinks everything was choreographed and pre-arranged.

mopinko

(70,178 posts)
26. he wouldnt be the first wh doc to lie/cover up
Wed Jan 17, 2018, 10:03 AM
Jan 2018

for a sick pres. jfk, raygun...

i agree he could be ordered to lie, and a good officer might well consider it his duty to do so.

arthritisR_US

(7,291 posts)
30. Given that his drivers license had him at 6ft 2inches and at his age
Wed Jan 17, 2018, 04:01 PM
Jan 2018

he would have lost at least an inch, I’m not buying what they are selling.

XRubicon

(2,212 posts)
34. I agree, I think they probably spin it internally as national security issue
Wed Jan 17, 2018, 07:50 PM
Jan 2018

to justify their lies.

The military: "The commander in chief is in excellent health"

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