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I keep seeing posts about those spinless Democrats. (Original Post) sheshe2 Jan 2018 OP
I'm actually starting to rethink the snide critical potshots I sometimes take against Democrats. NBachers Jan 2018 #1
Thank you. sheshe2 Jan 2018 #5
I hold more ire for the spinless voters that bought the big lies of 2016 Wwcd Jan 2018 #28
Truth, Wwcd. sheshe2 Jan 2018 #31
Kudos to you SheShe. Today is for our voices before we are silenced. Wwcd Jan 2018 #32
+1000. Hortensis Jan 2018 #39
WOOHOO!!!!!! BigmanPigman Jan 2018 #2
I am there.... sheshe2 Jan 2018 #7
Thanks she Iliyah Jan 2018 #3
I luv ya, Iliyah! sheshe2 Jan 2018 #8
Yes, and Big Surprise at these Dems.. Cha Jan 2018 #4
Debbie is right! sheshe2 Jan 2018 #10
Have a brilliant time at the Women's Cha Jan 2018 #15
Getting ready to leave! sheshe2 Jan 2018 #24
Cheers to you and your compatriots, she! Cha Jan 2018 #36
Then why is Heitkamp supporting the funding bill? Liberalagogo Jan 2018 #19
K & R Cha🍃 Wwcd Jan 2018 #29
Damn straight sheshe!! Docreed2003 Jan 2018 #6
;) sheshe2 Jan 2018 #12
Love it!!!! Love Queen!! Docreed2003 Jan 2018 #17
they have lots of spin. interested to see how they frame this NO vote nt msongs Jan 2018 #9
Dems sheshe2 Jan 2018 #11
"what about the children" cause ya know Lying Ryan and McTurtle really care Iliyah Jan 2018 #13
Gen. Mattis is an ass for caring for only the spies. sheshe2 Jan 2018 #14
If General Mattis actually cared about the spies, GoCubsGo Jan 2018 #34
Next those ones, theyll say they dont have a message ismnotwasm Jan 2018 #16
Mine turned tail BlueSpot Jan 2018 #18
KnR! Hekate Jan 2018 #20
Schumer was not as effectve as McConnell in his speech. Lonestarblue Jan 2018 #21
Strongly disagree unc70 Jan 2018 #23
This! sheshe2 Jan 2018 #25
Schumer was just being less nasty than McTurtle DFW Jan 2018 #26
The content of Schumer's speech was excellent. His delivery could have been better. Tatiana Jan 2018 #27
This message was self-deleted by its author Wwcd Jan 2018 #30
Some complained about the passionate speech by Sen Booker the other day also Wwcd Jan 2018 #33
Sen. Booker is a great example of what we need more of. Tatiana Jan 2018 #35
Neither man is charismatic Blue_Adept Jan 2018 #37
K & R SunSeeker Jan 2018 #22
I am proud of our Dems, she! mcar Jan 2018 #38
I am too, mcar... sheshe2 Jan 2018 #40

NBachers

(17,135 posts)
1. I'm actually starting to rethink the snide critical potshots I sometimes take against Democrats.
Fri Jan 19, 2018, 11:22 PM
Jan 2018

God knows there are some easy targets out there.

OK, I'm going to stop doing that.

 

Wwcd

(6,288 posts)
28. I hold more ire for the spinless voters that bought the big lies of 2016
Sat Jan 20, 2018, 11:08 AM
Jan 2018

We wouldn't be here today wishing it were different & STILL trying frantically to figure out how to get there.

We'd be there.

Everyone who drove the message away from a functioning society & govt, & towards what we face today.

Take it fking serious next time.
You have 2 choices in the end. One gets us our better future & one gets us this.

Division got us where we are today.
Take it fking serious next time.
🇺🇸

Cha

(297,574 posts)
4. Yes, and Big Surprise at these Dems..
Fri Jan 19, 2018, 11:27 PM
Jan 2018
http://thehill.com/homenews/senate/369829-trump-state-dems-introduce-bill-to-withhold-lawmaker-pay-during-shutdown

Five Democratic senators from states won by President Trump in the 2016 presidential election introduced legislation Friday to withhold pay from members of Congress in the event of a government shutdown.

Sens. Heidi Heitkamp (N.D.), Claire McCaskill (Mo.), Jon Tester (Mont.), Debbie Stabenow (Mich.) and Joe Manchin (W.Va.), all of whom are up for reelection this year, announced the bill Friday, hours ahead of a government funding deadline.

“If members of Congress can’t fulfill their basic duty to keep the government open and provide the essential services Americans depend on, then they don’t deserve their paychecks,” Heitkamp said in a statement. “Period.”

Stabenow echoed Heitkamp’s remarks in the statement and vowed to donate her salary in the event of a shutdown even if the bill doesn’t pass.

“It’s wrong that members of Congress would still get paid in the event of a shutdown while paychecks for members of our military could be disrupted,” Stabenow said. “This bill ensures members of Congress will not get paid and another bill I have cosponsored makes sure our troops will."

pnwmom https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=10121433

Mahalo for the reminder, she!

Iliyah

(25,111 posts)
13. "what about the children" cause ya know Lying Ryan and McTurtle really care
Fri Jan 19, 2018, 11:48 PM
Jan 2018

Gen. Mattis said our spies across the world won't get paid. Yeah right.

The military, our national security all are at risk.

sheshe2

(83,876 posts)
14. Gen. Mattis is an ass for caring for only the spies.
Fri Jan 19, 2018, 11:58 PM
Jan 2018

The children, chip...I cry for how they be will be hurt. They control every facet of the government and still cannot govern. Idiots all!

GoCubsGo

(32,086 posts)
34. If General Mattis actually cared about the spies,
Sat Jan 20, 2018, 12:23 PM
Jan 2018

he would tell Trump and his toadies to stop bashing our intelligence agencies--every last one of them. Which they have been doing ALL YEAR LONG. Mattis needs to STFU.

ismnotwasm

(41,999 posts)
16. Next those ones, theyll say they dont have a message
Sat Jan 20, 2018, 12:08 AM
Jan 2018

Helpfully, one links the Democratic party’s platform and is subsequently ignored entirely.

Lonestarblue

(10,060 posts)
21. Schumer was not as effectve as McConnell in his speech.
Sat Jan 20, 2018, 01:51 AM
Jan 2018

McConnell, slimy as he is, was effective in talking about the average people who lose with a government shutdown and blamed Democrats for holding up funding for immigration reform. It was not true immigration reform that held up the funding—it was protection of DACA, yet Schumer did nothing to make that clear, nor did he really clarify that putting off permanent funding just leaves everyone, including the military, in limbo and costs more to run the government because people can’t make long-term decisions. I hope Republicans and Trump get theblame for the shutdown, but I’m not sure that Democrats will not be blamed as well. I hope Schumer has a stronger message in the coming days.

unc70

(6,117 posts)
23. Strongly disagree
Sat Jan 20, 2018, 02:23 AM
Jan 2018

I have often been critical of Schumer, but thought he did well tonight. His speech after the vote had good sound bites, and the optics were great. Senators Murray and Feinstein seated behind him conveyed a lot with their body language and expressions.

DFW

(54,436 posts)
26. Schumer was just being less nasty than McTurtle
Sat Jan 20, 2018, 10:48 AM
Jan 2018

The two of them were both true to their nature and their Party

Tatiana

(14,167 posts)
27. The content of Schumer's speech was excellent. His delivery could have been better.
Sat Jan 20, 2018, 11:00 AM
Jan 2018

Maybe it was the late hour, but he was lacking in passion and conviction. Of course, it's Chuck, so we probably shouldn't look to someone like him for those things. But, it would have been nice to see some emotion and passion (which is what McConnell provided).

The American populace is stupid, as evinced by the millions of idiots who voted for Trump. We have to figure out how to communicate with the ones that can be saved using means other than logic and great oratory.

Response to Tatiana (Reply #27)

 

Wwcd

(6,288 posts)
33. Some complained about the passionate speech by Sen Booker the other day also
Sat Jan 20, 2018, 12:18 PM
Jan 2018

Its never good enough for those who rally still for division.
We are where we are because of it.
Makes ya wonder doesn't it.

Tatiana

(14,167 posts)
35. Sen. Booker is a great example of what we need more of.
Sat Jan 20, 2018, 01:36 PM
Jan 2018

Not only did he make the news, but his passion causes you to stop and wonder what he is bothered by. Then, the words sink in and you find yourself agreeing. People looked at him (including one of my deplorable, Trump-voting co-workers) and thought -- "He has a point."

That attitude is what will help us win in "red" states and counties. That's why he did a great job supporting Jones in Alabama.

Blue_Adept

(6,400 posts)
37. Neither man is charismatic
Sat Jan 20, 2018, 04:45 PM
Jan 2018

Frankly, I'm hard pressed to think of anyone from either side I've seen as of late that has any real charisma to them to be effective in getting through to people on a personable level.

sheshe2

(83,876 posts)
40. I am too, mcar...
Sat Jan 20, 2018, 08:07 PM
Jan 2018

I just got home from the Women's rally in Cambridge... haven't seen a count but thousands were said to be there. Proud of all Democrats!

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