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Eliot Rosewater

(31,121 posts)
Sun Jan 21, 2018, 04:23 PM Jan 2018

White America needs to have the discussion Black America has everyday.

First of all, how many of us white Americans believe that since we never use the "N" word or maybe we support the NAACP financially or we always say the right things about race, that we are not part of the problem?

Racism in America is a one way street, as a white American my side of the street is always paved, rarely has potholes in it and when something needs fixing I merely need to make one phone call and within hours repairs have begun.

Or you know, something like that. And I know many white Americans dont experience that level of privilege because of our oligarchic system, but I submit that as white people we dont KNOW what our privilege is because we have it, all the time, always have.

W. Kamau Bell is an ambassador to the ACLU and in this months magazine has written (cant find it to copy paste or link, sorry)

"One of America's biggest problems is that people of color are having conversations about racism literally every day, and most white people are only having them when they are forced to."

I wish I could link the article, but maybe we should discuss this more often?

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sheshe2

(83,901 posts)
1. I found several good articles on Bell.
Sun Jan 21, 2018, 04:55 PM
Jan 2018

Not the one you were looking for, but I do like what he is saying.

Eliot Rosewater

(31,121 posts)
3. I find it very difficult to do what he suggests, however.
Sun Jan 21, 2018, 06:19 PM
Jan 2018

I just cant seem to get other white folks to discuss racism. I cant even make a blanket, self evident and factual statement about it without getting in trouble.

Admitting who is responsible and who is not would be a start.

mopinko

(70,216 posts)
2. united shades of america is a real interesting show.
Sun Jan 21, 2018, 06:16 PM
Jan 2018

worth a little binge watching.

https://www.cnn.com/shows/united-shades-of-america

i live in a very diverse neighborhood. my kids barely think about color. they were teens before they even knew that was a thing.
i got some grief from the fam for raising my kids here, but i cant imagine living anywhere else.

Eliot Rosewater

(31,121 posts)
4. Based on responses here, no, white folks not ready to discuss racism
Sun Jan 21, 2018, 07:31 PM
Jan 2018

Some white folks, many white folks.

As long as there is an incentive NOT to, that is how it will roll.

mopinko

(70,216 posts)
5. yeah, i know.
Sun Jan 21, 2018, 07:57 PM
Jan 2018

a friend is having a convo on fb about the appropriateness of the pink pussy hats to represent so many women whose pussies are not pink, or who dont have one at all.
not too bad cuz she doesnt brook idiots on her page.

the thing that makes me, an old second wave feminist, sad is that i recall a lot of efforts to broaden the convo to all these issues, and 30 years later we are still failing.

Eliot Rosewater

(31,121 posts)
6. Misogyny is as big a problem and based on the "nose holders" and whatnot and
Sun Jan 21, 2018, 08:05 PM
Jan 2018

results of 2016, we have made little progress there as well.

Personally I think every AA, NA and JA should get a check for $1 million.

Blue_Tires

(55,445 posts)
8. People are definitely paying more attention to it under Trump rule
Tue Jan 23, 2018, 09:31 AM
Jan 2018

Since Trump has emboldened so many racists in just the first year of this national nightmare...

uponit7771

(90,364 posts)
9. After seeing Ryan's bill on Dreamers it should scare people into paying attention to racism and its
Tue Jan 23, 2018, 09:55 AM
Jan 2018

... effect.

No one can say, I didn't think they would be that bad

Initech

(100,102 posts)
10. If I may play Devil's advocate for a minute....
Tue Jan 23, 2018, 10:23 AM
Jan 2018

If there is one thing about Charlottesville and the Trump administration that we're not discussing is that it has got a national discussion on racism in America. And the thing is that the people who are the most racist are who you would not expect. You can make fun of your Uncle Tom for being racist. But really, it's Tom's 18 year old son Timmy, who works the night shift at the Burger King drive thru whos even more racist.

While we're not looking, Timmy is the leader of a pro Nazi group on Steam, and posts hateful Pepe The Frog memes on his Facebook and Twitter accounts. And participates in tiki torch marches.

While we should be concerned with Uncle Tom and his closeted, white hooded racism, we should be even more concerned with Timmy's open, tiki torch carrying racism. After all, these people are just barely old enough to vote. Imagine what they will be like when they're old enough to run for office.

LuckyCharms

(17,458 posts)
11. Here is my contribution to the discussion.
Tue Jan 23, 2018, 10:59 AM
Jan 2018

I'm probably going to ramble here, but I'll do the best I can. Also, I will probably expend a little on your OP to include a discussion about difference in classes as well as difference in races.

I am a white male. I grew up poor, but not dirt poor. My mother was a home maker, and my father worked for himself doing physical labor. As such, he frequently hired day labor. When the work day was done, he would invite them to our home for dinner. When I came home from school, there would be anywhere from 2 to 6 men at our kitchen table. My mother would be dismayed at this, simply because my father would never tell her that he was bringing people home, and she had to rush to cook more food. I didn't live in an area where day labor was common, so the people my father found to help him were frequently homeless or very down and out. He paid them a good wage and invited them for a good meal. And they were the most friendly and interesting people I have known since. By the way, this was back in the 60's.

Unrelated to the above, my parents were very good friends with a black couple. My mom would talk to the wife on the phone, and the husband was always over to the house for coffee. At least 2 or 3 times a week. He was a soft spoken and carefully measured man, a WWII vet. He was almost like a 2nd father to me in the way he gave me advice. While scrolling through the obituaries recently, I saw a picture of a man and I recognized him. He had passed away. All my memories of him came flooding back and I shed tears the whole day.

The point of my words is this...I also grew up around some people who were not very nice. As a kid, I would hear comments like...."who were those "filthy hobos" that came out of your house last night? Your father must be filthy like that too if he hires them. "Who is that n***** that is over at your house all the time?" Are your parents n***** lovers?

It was at this young age that I knew that people hated other who were different than them. I knew all of these men. I knew they were like my parents. I knew they were good. And the black man I spoke about above? I loved him.

My point is this. My childhood has enabled me to put myself in the shoes of others. I do not think ANYTHING has changed since the 60's, it just went underground, and now it is resurfacing. The only way to truly understand is to actually imagine yourself living as someone of a different race or different class. That is what I do. I ask myself...what would it be like to get in my car at 930 pm to go out for a bite to eat and have to worry about getting pulled over? What would it be like to be homeless? What would it be like to have a horrible physical deformity? What would it be like if for some reason, people just didn't like me?

The fact that someone doesn't use the N word, or someone claims not to be a racist doesn't cut it with me. You have to ACTIVELY put yourself in others' shoes to understand your privilege. And you have to ACTIVELY think very hard about the problem of systemic racism in order to understand it. Most people take the easy way out and don't do this.

Thanks for your OP. It is a good one.

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