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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsSenate adjourns without deal to end government shutdown; vote postponed until noon Monday
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samnsara
(17,622 posts)...but that's unlikely...
herding cats
(19,565 posts)My best guess is Republicans are looking to their focus groups and trying to figure out how to play their hand.
Freethinker65
(10,024 posts)If the Democrats agree to cloture on the CR first, a clean DACA , even if it passes the Senate, will never make it through the House.
TDale313
(7,820 posts)herding cats
(19,565 posts)Unlike DACA, which is just a heartfelt kind of thing, most Republicans have zero skin in the game with DACA. CHIP is where many of their voters will feel an immediate and direct effect. The two are night and day. By a majority a random rural Republican voter (their base) will know a person intimately who uses CHIP.
CHIP needs to be a completely separate vote. Its foolish to let them off the hook that easily on something they need passed equally, too.
herding cats
(19,565 posts)CHIP hits their actual voters, DACA hits peoples hearts but it doesnt directly effect a large number of Republican voters.
Wellstone ruled
(34,661 posts)He now knows he so screwed that he is back to talking weasel talk.
herding cats
(19,565 posts)He cannot muster his people and enough of ours to rally a winning vote without compromise. Someone has to give here and the Democrats have very little to lose (virtually nothing with the moderates having played their we tried, and they wouldnt agree hand). No matter if they like it or not, theyre going to have to concede theyve lost this round.
I seriously dont think the nuclear option is something more than 30 Republican Senators want to use in this particular political climate, but who knows? They may be just that short sighted.
Next up if we win this one we need to bash them over the head with CHIP, which these fools thought wed use now rather than DACA. Its as if theyre all amateurs at politics, when theyre not. Its all so strange anymore.
Wellstone ruled
(34,661 posts)is isolating themselves into a Rump Caucus with no power after tonight. McConnell and Cornyn don't want to go Nuke because they know it would come back to haunt them for decades .
According to the lastest reports,Trump and his NAZI partners are pinned into a corner.
herding cats
(19,565 posts)If they do, its guaranteed to bite them (career Republicans) in the rump ten fold. Theyre facing a Democratic Leadership thats blatantly calling their bluff. Id theyre not people in it for the quick gratification from the position, theyre going to take a gut blow in a few years if they go nuclear. Career people know this, of that Im sure.
Trump suddenly changed everything for Republicans, thats true. Now theyre actually in a position where many of their elected as opposition candidates need to learn how to lead, and no one has ever taught them even the most rudimentary concepts of how to begin that process. They're clueless as what their jobs are supposed to be, and for many this is 7 years out of cluelessness. Meanwhile, the mainstream Republicans who fed them to get the majority are irrevocably tied to their opposition mantra, which further ties them to Trump.
What a shitshow all this has become. Real peoples lives are paying the price for the games being played by these power hungry Republicans who chose to embolden their far right fringe rather than merge with the majority of their voters. At some point something will give, but Im not sure what, or where, this will take place yet. Let alone what the outcome will be.
I despise living in interesting times.
Wellstone ruled
(34,661 posts)shut down. Kind of agree,the Koch's for years advocated a one Party system with the Billionaire Class running the show.