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ProSense

(116,464 posts)
Tue Jul 24, 2012, 02:23 PM Jul 2012

Gallup releases its numbers: Romney leads on every issue except foreign policy

Obama's Character Edge Offsets Romney's Economic Advantage



http://www.gallup.com/poll/156134/Obama-Character-Edge-Offsets-Romney-Economic-Advantage.aspx

These differences help explain why Obama and Romney remain closely matched in voters' general election preferences. In July 17-23 Gallup Daily tracking, 46% of registered voters say they would vote for Obama and 45% for Romney if the election were held today.


WTF? These numbers make no sense.

Where the hell is the USA Today/Gallup poll?
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10021010983

Gallup a couple of weeks ago: Obama leads in swing states (by two) and other states (by four).

http://www.usatoday.com/news/politics/story/2012-07-08/swing-states-poll/56097052/1


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Gallup releases its numbers: Romney leads on every issue except foreign policy (Original Post) ProSense Jul 2012 OP
No, they're tied in health care. n/t pnwmom Jul 2012 #1
Idiots who don't know Politicalboi Jul 2012 #2
3-2-1 warrior1 Jul 2012 #3
and the 3 for Rmoney are all very similar Motown_Johnny Jul 2012 #21
Isn't this poll a national poll? Larkspur Jul 2012 #4
Minority and Women's Issues? HockeyMom Jul 2012 #5
So they split "economy" into four sub-issues (budget, economy, taxes, jobs)... villager Jul 2012 #6
I think those are the big issues I have with this poll. That and stevenleser Jul 2012 #11
And I don't believe a word of it! sinkingfeeling Jul 2012 #7
The number that jumps out for me is Obama's 30% advantage in being "likable". That's a huge margin. Nye Bevan Jul 2012 #8
please Botany Jul 2012 #9
OMGosh.....I love this one, a kennedy Jul 2012 #27
Gallup weights its polls to Repub advantage, always, for decades. librechik Jul 2012 #10
So Romney may win popular vote SickOfTheOnePct Jul 2012 #12
Somehow if that were to happen Politicalboi Jul 2012 #15
Actually, this poll sums up Romney's problems in a nutshell OmahaBlueDog Jul 2012 #13
These numbers ProSense Jul 2012 #16
Pew is a far superior poll. Dawson Leery Jul 2012 #18
I trust Pew far more than the other pollsters. hifiguy Jul 2012 #25
+1, Likable Romney 30.............Obama 60......WOOOW! uponit7771 Jul 2012 #23
"Is likeable" Aerows Jul 2012 #14
This tells me that the debates are going to important. Can't wait for those. nt Lex Jul 2012 #17
The Polls Mystery Vox Moi Jul 2012 #19
Because ProSense Jul 2012 #20
Because people are under the illusion that successful business leaders mzmolly Jul 2012 #28
I bet they polled a skewed demographic. ananda Jul 2012 #22
the most important numbers are arely staircase Jul 2012 #24
Maybe, but I suspect many "love your brother" so called Christians will not vote still_one Jul 2012 #30
I don't think I recall... Jeff In Milwaukee Jul 2012 #26
A few years ago Gallop called me. The questions were not simple yes or no still_one Jul 2012 #29
 

Politicalboi

(15,189 posts)
2. Idiots who don't know
Tue Jul 24, 2012, 02:28 PM
Jul 2012

That the GOP blocked everything Obama tried to do. Team Obama needs to show those votes in commercials and tell the people how it effects them.

 

Motown_Johnny

(22,308 posts)
21. and the 3 for Rmoney are all very similar
Tue Jul 24, 2012, 03:39 PM
Jul 2012

They should have asked about Afghanistan and The Middle East after Foreign Affairs just to make things fair.

 

Larkspur

(12,804 posts)
4. Isn't this poll a national poll?
Tue Jul 24, 2012, 02:32 PM
Jul 2012

If so, then it explains the numbers. But the Prez election is awarded by electoral collage not popular vote, so this poll would have to be done in the "swing" states to determine who has the edge.

 

villager

(26,001 posts)
6. So they split "economy" into four sub-issues (budget, economy, taxes, jobs)...
Tue Jul 24, 2012, 02:34 PM
Jul 2012

...didn't ask about the environment, and didn't split the other issues into "sub-groups" --so the structure would inherently favor a Rmoney outcome, yes?

 

stevenleser

(32,886 posts)
11. I think those are the big issues I have with this poll. That and
Tue Jul 24, 2012, 02:39 PM
Jul 2012

virtually no social issues are listed.

What about LGBT rights and equality? That is going to be very important this election. There couldnt be a clearer distinction between Romney and Obama on LGBT equality.

What about Women's rights and equality? That is also going to be very important this election. The gulf between Republicans in general and Democrats in general on Women's rights is also huge. Republicans have outed their war on women in the last few months.

Nye Bevan

(25,406 posts)
8. The number that jumps out for me is Obama's 30% advantage in being "likable". That's a huge margin.
Tue Jul 24, 2012, 02:37 PM
Jul 2012
Still, Romney's large deficit in likability is a potential concern, given that voters usually elect the candidate they like more. In each of the last five presidential elections, the candidate whose basic favorable rating was higher won the election each time.

http://www.gallup.com/poll/154547/obama-big-likability-edge-romney.aspx



a kennedy

(29,674 posts)
27. OMGosh.....I love this one,
Tue Jul 24, 2012, 04:16 PM
Jul 2012

thanks for this. Makes me feel a lot better, and can't we get a high five smilie??

librechik

(30,674 posts)
10. Gallup weights its polls to Repub advantage, always, for decades.
Tue Jul 24, 2012, 02:39 PM
Jul 2012

I just ignore them, like I ignore Fox News.

OmahaBlueDog

(10,000 posts)
13. Actually, this poll sums up Romney's problems in a nutshell
Tue Jul 24, 2012, 02:42 PM
Jul 2012

People see him as intelligent and capable, but they don't like him and they don't trust him.

ProSense

(116,464 posts)
16. These numbers
Tue Jul 24, 2012, 02:50 PM
Jul 2012

"Actually, this poll sums up Romney's problems in a nutshell

People see him as intelligent and capable, but they don't like him and they don't trust him."

...are simply too skewed to Romney to believe that being likeable is Obama's only advantage and opportunity to win.

Pew poll a week ago:



http://www.people-press.org/2012/07/12/obama-holds-lead-romney-trails-on-most-issues/

Now granted that Romney has some advantage on some aspects of the econony, Gallup would have you believe that liking Obama and his foreign policy is the only advantage he has.

It will be interesting to see what the NBC/WSJ poll reveals.

WSJ/NBC Poll: Romney Leads on the Economy, Trails Elsewhere
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10021012623



 

hifiguy

(33,688 posts)
25. I trust Pew far more than the other pollsters.
Tue Jul 24, 2012, 04:11 PM
Jul 2012

They are more thorough and typically use bigger samples.

 

Aerows

(39,961 posts)
14. "Is likeable"
Tue Jul 24, 2012, 02:43 PM
Jul 2012

Hell, I'm surprised Romney did as well in that category as he did. He seems about as approachable as a shark when you are bleeding. And that may be overstating it because at least a shark is interesting enough to be dangerous. Mitt Romney is somewhere between green shag carpet and lead balloons on the likeability scale.

Vox Moi

(546 posts)
19. The Polls Mystery
Tue Jul 24, 2012, 03:21 PM
Jul 2012

Why is it that all the reporting on Bain, Tax Return, Secrecy and so on seem to have no effect on the polls?
How can anyone explain that mystifying poll figure on Health Care?
I think that the key here is to understand that 'issues' are not what drives decision-making in the electorate, but rather that 'issues' are used to defend a conclusion already arrived at.
Talking with a conservative the other day I brought up Romney's huge IRA account, many, many times the amount he could have contributed. I said, sarcastically, that I'd like to get a return on investment like that. My conservative friend replied 'So would I'.
The difference is, my friend meant it.
What, to me was support for the notion that Romney is a bare-fanged, amoral businessman who has suspiciously good luck investing and avoiding taxes, my friend saw as the podium for a shining role model for free enterprise and individual achievement.
My friend does not want economic equality ... he wants to win, just like Romney did. The American myth of the independent, hard-working self-made businessman is, at the core, a justification for greed and an affirmation that monetary success is also an affirmation of personal virtue. That is why the word "Socialism" has, sadly, become a toxic term, antithetical to the great myth of American self-reliance and the winer-take-all American way.
My friend heartily agrees with Sununu: that Obama should learn to be an American and get his myths in order.
Romney is tapping this vein when he accuses Obama of 'attacking success'. Call it an attack on the most cherished myth of many Americans: that honest, hard work and integrity can get you into the yacht club. This myth has kept working-class Republicans voting for the GOP for generations.
I'm afraid that the issues are not nearly so relevant as the myths one believes in. As long as Romney keeps his lips closed and his records secret the myth will overcome all doubt about the man. Facts and issues are sort of like the all those federal regulations and government agencies that simply get in the way of people who want to get ahead of everyone else.

ProSense

(116,464 posts)
20. Because
Tue Jul 24, 2012, 03:33 PM
Jul 2012

"Why is it that all the reporting on Bain, Tax Return, Secrecy and so on seem to have no effect on the polls? "

...polls can be manipulated. I mean, the polls are showing a stagnant race (at best for Romney, a statistical dead heat with the President ahead by one point).

With the emphasis on the economic question, the message from these polls is to loudly proclaim that the "Bain attacks aren't working."

Yet, three polls today show that the Bain/tax return issues have gained significant prominence.

Pew: http://www.democraticunderground.com/10021013341

Reuters: http://www.democraticunderground.com/10021011120

Daily Kos/SEIU: http://www.democraticunderground.com/10021011319

Hell even Gallup had a poll last week showing that the majority of Americans want Romney to release his returns: http://www.democraticunderground.com/1002975581

Welcome.

mzmolly

(50,996 posts)
28. Because people are under the illusion that successful business leaders
Tue Jul 24, 2012, 04:19 PM
Jul 2012

like Rmoney are job creators who drive the economy. Dems need to drive home that greedy CEO's and other business leaders, drove the economy and jobs off a cliff just a few years ago. ... Make Rmoney the face of Wallstreet, and the economic downturn.

You nailed it above.

(Pardon the overuse of the word(s) drive/drove.)

arely staircase

(12,482 posts)
24. the most important numbers are
Tue Jul 24, 2012, 03:45 PM
Jul 2012

The economy and understands problems Americans face. This race will be close in the popular vote. Maybe not so much the electoral college. Obama will win both but the latter by a wider spread than the former.

That's my prediction.

still_one

(92,219 posts)
30. Maybe, but I suspect many "love your brother" so called Christians will not vote
Tue Jul 24, 2012, 04:37 PM
Jul 2012

for a Morman and sit this election out

Jeff In Milwaukee

(13,992 posts)
26. I don't think I recall...
Tue Jul 24, 2012, 04:15 PM
Jul 2012

a case in recent presidential politis where the Democrat was given preference over the Republican in Foreign Policy. Ever. Maybe if you want back to Johnson v. Goldwater.

still_one

(92,219 posts)
29. A few years ago Gallop called me. The questions were not simple yes or no
Tue Jul 24, 2012, 04:33 PM
Jul 2012

and they said to pick the best one that applies

out several choices, or to give a question which requres a response of 1 is the best 5 is the worst

I have no idea if that is how this was done, or who funded the poll, but i have issues with questions like I was given

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